Qusetions from bls_1919v2 wror

[Michin Khel]

Q:1- You are advocate of loy afghanistan, if pashtun unity is achieved and because of formation of great pashtun magority tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras decide to join their kinsmen in respective countries, which is highly possible...then what pashtuns should do, refrain them from separation?...we have seen role of hazaras in renaming, same can be expected from minorities of afghanistan who hold half of afghanistan.

[Michin Khel]

Q:2 To which extent ISI is involved in pashtun affairs according to you? what are their possible dirty works?

[Michin Khel]

Q:3 What a pashtun of pakistan is supposed to do now?
-bycot schools to avoid mutala pakistan brainwashing?
-stop doining governament jobs?
- Throw pakistani ID card to garbage can?
- pick up arms against pakistan?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Q:3 What a pashtun of pakistan is supposed to do now?
-bycot schools to avoid mutala pakistan brainwashing?
-stop doining governament jobs?
- Throw pakistani ID card to garbage can?
- pick up arms against pakistan?

I'd say: HELL YEAH!

[Catya Sher]

Unknown, your words are usually wise, but that mask is scaring me! I always hated masks because at times, demons can hide out in them !
ie Halloween or masks of the Caribbean areas where they do a lot of voodoo which is totally demonic....

Just a polite request to find a shining new avatar! You are talented, I'm sure you can find a neat one. What about something a bit Islamic, for example?

Please do tell us how we can find that book. I remember you mentioned it earlier. It sounds out of print, collector's item only....? I'd really like to read it.
I agree with your opinion expressed.

I also agree there should be Islamic govt in Pakistan not this waffly mush which current 'masquerades' as the rulers. The whole system is bad. Elections are stupid and will only produce more of the same, to varying degrees. Some future govts if this path is continued on would improve a little. But the basics are wrong.

However, until that day arrives, I wouldn't toss an ID in the trash. People need 'em!
In short cooperate with the authorities as they are now, but work hard to set the stage for a Godly System in Pakistan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Q:1- You are advocate of loy afghanistan, if pashtun unity is achieved and because of formation of great pashtun magority tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras decide to join their kinsmen in respective countries, which is highly possible...then what pashtuns should do, refrain them from separation?...we have seen role of hazaras in renaming, same can be expected from minorities of afghanistan who hold half of afghanistan.

First of all, the north of Afghanistan is not as straight forward as you think. The respective ethnic groups live side by side and in many instances not one has an outward majority. This was done on purpose by the previous rulers in Afghanistan. Hazaras can't really join their respective kinsmen but may as well end up with a state within a state in the area which is strategically implausible and puts them smack in the middle. Uzbeks, tajiks and turkmen are in an area where the boundaries from one and the other is not as straightforward. So in the event if this is even entertained, it will end up doing more harm to them and us then it is good. However, this scenario has not come up and when they had the best chance in the 90s they didn't entertain it. So the best solution is to cut this problem in the bud. We have substantial pashtun population there and it is very strategic land, so the most mature thing to do is to give them a legitimate stake in the country. We can't be fascists and take everything....there has to be a give and take.

What role of hazaras in renaming? There is one marginal setami group which isn't even a minority (forget majority, they are basically unknown) led by latif pedram. Outside of that, there is no legitimate movement.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Q:2 To which extent ISI is involved in pashtun affairs according to you? what are their possible dirty works?

ISI is not only involved in the affairs of Pashtuns, but the affairs of everyone else in the country of Pakistan. They have destroyed the internal politics, tried to topple civilian governments (operation jackal) and for the past 30 years (60 years for baloch) active in turning the pashtun and baloch society upside down. Their "dirty works" (which they consider achievements) were the constant interference in Afghanistan for the past 30-40 years, their role in Pashtunkhwa is well known ...one only has to hear stories or go to areas in PATA and FATA to give you an idea of what they did and didn't do. Hec, put Pashtuns to the side they are slowly destroying the very state they are supposedly defending.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Q:3 What a pashtun of pakistan is supposed to do now?
-bycot schools to avoid mutala pakistan brainwashing?
-stop doining governament jobs?
- Throw pakistani ID card to garbage can?
- pick up arms against pakistan?

Pashtuns should definitely stay in school, but they should start thinking about the future. Especially our educated Pashtuns should get an idea that the end game is slowly coming near and we have our own future to worry about. In this case, our unity with the people in Afghanistan is the best option. Pashtuns should start supporting cases for their benefit..i.e. sovereignty and stability of Afghanistan as well as autonomy of Pashtunkhwa should be the first priority, unity of both sides (this can be done via investing there, or working for the development of pashto language, pashto media, etc)....bare basic political interests. Once they solidify their base, they can move on. However, we should first work for the stability and autonomy of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa. Once we can achieve that, other things slowly start coming to place.

[Azmal]

Q:1- You are advocate of loy afghanistan, if pashtun unity is achieved and because of formation of great pashtun magority tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras decide to join their kinsmen in respective countries, which is highly possible...then what pashtuns should do, refrain them from separation?...we have seen role of hazaras in renaming, same can be expected from minorities of afghanistan who hold half of afghanistan.

Good question, there are separatist among minorities outside Afghanistan, from my knowledge I have never heard or seen a single minority inside Afghanistan preaching for division of Afghanistan nor they have ever done. Nothing like BLA, Pashtonistan movement, Sindi Desh, or the Azari, Kurds, Arabs(Awazistan) of Iran. The minority lead political parties these days are busy preaching for a federal system, decentralize parliamentary system with weak president. This way the warlords will continue their influences in their own domains in name of ethnic rights or representation. In my opinion if or should I say when for its inevitable when Pashtonistan reunites with Afghanistan, we can easily assure the minorities that they will not be oppressed and their rights and culture will not be violated, just as they had full rights to practice their culture in past 300 years of Pashton rules. Eventually a federal system will need to be established based on equality, secularism and democracy ..but not until a 10 years of centralization, which will minimized tribalism, and realize a national sense in all her citizen. No Durrani, Yousufzia, Mandokhil, or Kakar or this or that but simple just Afghan.

[Michin Khel]

First of all, the north of Afghanistan is not as straight forward as you think. The respective ethnic groups live side by side and in many instances not one has an outward majority. This was done on purpose by the previous rulers in Afghanistan. Hazaras can't really join their respective kinsmen but may as well end up with a state within a state in the area which is strategically implausible and puts them smack in the middle. Uzbeks, tajiks and turkmen are in an area where the boundaries from one and the other is not as straightforward. So in the event if this is even entertained, it will end up doing more harm to them and us then it is good. However, this scenario has not come up and when they had the best chance in the 90s they didn't entertain it. So the best solution is to cut this problem in the bud. We have substantial pashtun population there and it is very strategic land, so the most mature thing to do is to give them a legitimate stake in the country. We can't be fascists and take everything....there has to be a give and take.

What role of hazaras in renaming? There is one marginal setami group which isn't even a minority (forget majority, they are basically unknown) led by latif pedram. Outside of that, there is no legitimate movement.

I mistakenly used the word of hazara for hazaraywals in Khyberpakhtunkhwa. I wanted to say that a minority in KP, hazarewals had put us in a fix when they demanded a separate province for themselves...hazarewals are some what tied to us and yet they dont trust us...compare to them, Chitralis and seraikiwans are not related to us at all, chances are high that they may follow foot steps of hazarewals..at more crucial moments these minorities will raise their voices with more intensity.
I want to say that same situation can happen in afghanistan where ethnic tensions are far more intense than in pakistan. As you said that ethnic composition is not homogenious in north-westren afghanistan, but atleast there is a magority in each province and all magority provinces of each community are adjacent to each other (with exception of some provinces like herat, kunduz, bulkh)..at the moment all minorities are for present afghanistan..but when case of loy afghanistan will arise, their opinion about staying in afghanistan will most probably change...they are staying in afghanistan because they have total dominance over weak pashtun magority... they can dominate afghanistan with 40% pashtuns but they cant dominate over fresh supply of 35 million pashtuns from pakistan..this is an absolute fact..
Unlike peaceful minorities in KP, Tajiks, uzbeks and hazaras are of violent nature and have martial tendencies like pashtuns...so one can expect the worse in northren afghanistan...despite how much number of pashtuns are in north, they are weak and are at the mercy of northren races....we will have three options, 1-watch silently their atrocities 2-subdue them and large population relocation 3- give them independence.
Or may be we get out of control and start ethnic cleansing of northren alliance.

[Michin Khel]

ISI is not only involved in the affairs of Pashtuns, but the affairs of everyone else in the country of Pakistan. They have destroyed the internal politics, tried to topple civilian governments (operation jackal) and for the past 30 years (60 years for baloch) active in turning the pashtun and baloch society upside down. Their "dirty works" (which they consider achievements) were the constant interference in Afghanistan for the past 30-40 years, their role in Pashtunkhwa is well known ...one only has to hear stories or go to areas in PATA and FATA to give you an idea of what they did and didn't do. Hec, put Pashtuns to the side they are slowly destroying the very state they are supposedly defending.

Thanks for splendid reply.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Akal da Kamakal Na Ezda KEgey........Da ma Wos Omanala....

Luffy Dar kha rora........

[Michin Khel]

Pashtuns should definitely stay in school, but they should start thinking about the future. Especially our educated Pashtuns should get an idea that the end game is slowly coming near and we have our own future to worry about. In this case, our unity with the people in Afghanistan is the best option. Pashtuns should start supporting cases for their benefit..i.e. sovereignty and stability of Afghanistan as well as autonomy of Pashtunkhwa should be the first priority, unity of both sides (this can be done via investing there, or working for the development of pashto language, pashto media, etc)....bare basic political interests. Once they solidify their base, they can move on. However, we should first work for the stability and autonomy of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa. Once we can achieve that, other things slowly start coming to place.

Once thing is clear, if situation in pakistan continue to deteriote like this, the others will take advantage of it and then the break up of country may happen...
But if miraculosly pakistan is able to get out of present troubles and it improves its economic conditions then all hopes for pashtun unity which were gradually building, will diminish...
Right now due to price hike, loadshedding, corruptions etc, pashtuns have lot of complains from pakistan...but these complaints are also possesses by other ethnicities of pakistan including punjabis..anger and frustrations of pashtuns are not directed towards separation option...
I thought military operations in FATA and KP may cause stir in pashtuns and they will start rebellion like balochs....but opposite happened, talibanization has strengthened the feeling of need to be in pakistan more in pashtuns...nearly all areas of pakhtunkhwa got infected by talibans and locals were unable to get rid of them...with small and large military operations talibans were weakened to large extent...due to actions of talibans like bombings, kidnappings etc, people of pakhtunkhwa are now very scared of emergence of talibans in their areas...and they feel that without pak army they cant eliminate this fitna.. i think ISI has on purpose injected talibanizations in KP... the advantage of this to pakistan is that pashtuns see pak army as necessary evil.
Even if ISI is not involved in pakistani talibanization, it is a very strong and prevelant ideology in pashtuns and unfortunately they are very organized.
If pakistan disintegrates, pashtuns will be at disadvantage at most. due to already prevelant religous extremism, talibans will emerge as strogest force among groups of thoughts in pashtuns. They may establish rule over our areas and then we will have to prepare ourselves for bombardment from US..
Afghanistan is considered as sign of poorty, unstability and backwardness among KP pashtuns, they are not taking it seriously at all.

[Nadir Shah]

Once thing is clear, if situation in pakistan continue to deteriote like this, the others will take advantage of it and then the break up of country may happen...
But if miraculosly pakistan is able to get out of present troubles and it improves its economic conditions then all hopes for pashtun unity which were gradually building, will diminish...
Right now due to price hike, loadshedding, corruptions etc, pashtuns have lot of complains from pakistan...but these complaints are also possesses by other ethnicities of pakistan including punjabis..anger and frustrations of pashtuns are not directed towards separation option...
I thought military operations in FATA and KP may cause stir in pashtuns and they will start rebellion like balochs....but opposite happened, talibanization has strengthened the feeling of need to be in pakistan more in pashtuns...nearly all areas of pakhtunkhwa got infected by talibans and locals were unable to get rid of them...with small and large military operations talibans were weakened to large extent...due to actions of talibans like bombings, kidnappings etc, people of pakhtunkhwa are now very scared of emergence of talibans in their areas...and they feel that without pak army they cant eliminate this fitna.. i think ISI has on purpose injected talibanizations in KP... the advantage of this to pakistan is that pashtuns see pak army as necessary evil.
Even if ISI is not involved in pakistani talibanization, it is a very strong and prevelant ideology in pashtuns and unfortunately they are very organized.
If pakistan disintegrates, pashtuns will be at disadvantage at most. due to already prevelant religous extremism, talibans will emerge as strogest force among groups of thoughts in pashtuns. They may establish rule over our areas and then we will have to prepare ourselves for bombardment from US..
Afghanistan is considered as sign of poorty, unstability and backwardness among KP pashtuns, they are not taking it seriously at all.

Malgariya, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that you are the most stupid person here. I'll explain why later.

[Michin Khel]

Malgariya, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that you are the most stupid person here. I'll explain why later.

May be i am not bright, but i will be glad if you point out the flaws in my post. You are welcome.
Prince regards