Islam and nationalism

[imb706]

Lol racism. "Mongrels" Mmm, more the better. Mix white israelis with japanese people and that'd be awesome.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Lol racism. "Mongrels" Mmm, more the better. Mix white israelis with japanese people and that'd be awesome.

Hows about mustard gas???

one day 2 million died, then four million died then now its officially 6 million, Japanese killed nearly over 10 million chinese, the Yankees killed way more red indians, etc etc etc...I will love the day when they have no where else to run too besides change their faith and pose as christians as usual.

[inqilab]

Sahih almuslim - Allahs Messenger [s] said:
"And whosoever fights under a blind banner, gets angry along with his group of people, or calls to a group of people, or supports a group of people, and is subsequently killed because of that, then this killing is a sinful killing."

[inqilab]

Sunan abu dawud- Allahs Messenger [s] said:
"He is not of us if he calls to asabiyyah, and he is not one of us if he fights for the sake of asabiyyah, and not one of us if he dies on asabiyyah."

Sunan abu dawud:

"Whosoever supports his group of people not on the truth, he is like a camel that fell from a high peak into a deep valley where it only could move its tail."

Sunan abu dawud:
"Allah took away the asabiyyah of jahiliyyah from you, and your boasting about your fathers. So, man is either a righteous believer or a corrupted non-believer. You are the children of Adam, and Adam is from dirt; let men quit their boasting of their own people, they are nothing but coal from the coal of Hell or they will be more humiliated in the sight of Allah more than the dung beetle that pushes dung with its nose."

[inqilab]

Asabiyyah literally means tribalism. This can be used for any form of loyalty to a specific group or country. And fighting in its name.

[abubaker]

Lol racism. "Mongrels" Mmm, more the better. Mix white israelis with japanese people and that'd be awesome.

jew married to a japanese, thats not gona happen

[abubaker]

narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messeng
er of Allah (saaw) said, "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"

nationalism has nothing to do with islam and is forbiden, its a concept from the time of ''jahiliah'' and to make it lawfull is nothing less then going against the authoroties of Allah subhana hu watalah

mullha when i was typing your post wasnt there, fast typer

[abubaker]

its amazing how people make up bull**** about our great relegion with thout having a clue as to what islam actually has to say about that perticular issue

[abubaker]

cheeky litle one arnt you

[abubaker]

fortunately there are more qualified people then me, best thing to do is read some books, and study at your local masjid

i can pm you the names of some books if you wish

[Azmatullah]

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:

"Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]

Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

Source: http://members.cox.net/arshad/nationalism.htm

[MazloomyarMaseed]

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:

"Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]

Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

Source: http://members.cox.net/arshad/nationalism.htm

Then go and die for Arabs and sell out your identity.Most pashtuns are not even interested anymore to what you people have to say.

You just dont get it do you???? PASHTUNS ARE NOT UNITED! and you want to poison their minds with all this Arab Hadiths that were written 200 years after the death of the prophet.

You praise Arab figures and call Pashtun figures as alcoholics etc.

When will you learn. I bet most of you live in the West and enjoy Non Muslim Secular laws for which you abuse to spread your nonsense.

Does it say in Quran that Nationalism is wrong?

Anybody can write its wrong at the time, especially when they wanted to avoid rebellion from the new cultures and races of people they conquered.

I hope Europe kicks out every Arab back to the craphole they belong.

You should visit UK and see all your Arab friends living on benefits and then preaching for Shariat on weeekends

[Azmatullah]

Yes, dividing the Ummah is forbidden in the Qur'an, if you ever read it you should know that already. But you too busy running your filthy mouth all the time, so i can see why you would be pre-occupied.

http://www.islamic-world.net/islamic-state/evidence.htm

Pashtoons are not united, and why do you think? You reject Islam and mock the words of Allah (swt) and prefer to follow the likes of Charles Darwin... then you wonder why Pashtoons are not united. Can you get anymore pathetic?

Anyways, just wanted to say that, i usually ignore imbeciles. You're free to continue your yapping now.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Yes, dividing the Ummah is forbidden in the Qur'an, if you ever read it you should know that already. But you too busy running your filthy mouth all the time, so i can see why you would be pre-occupied.

http://www.islamic-world.net/islamic-state/evidence.htm

Pashtoons are not united, and why do you think? You reject Islam and mock the words of Allah (swt) and prefer to follow the likes of Charles Darwin... then you wonder why Pashtoons are not united. Can you get anymore pathetic?

Anyways, just wanted to say that, i usually ignore imbeciles. You're free to continue your yapping now.

I prefer to follow Pashtunwali

Also it was your fellow arabs who destroyed the Ummah, you heard of the ottomon Khalifate??????

[Roshina]

But you too busy running your filthy mouth all the time, so i can see why you would be pre-occupied.

Umm, first of all, bro, watch your mouth. You can't possibly have said that to me, of course, but whoever you said it to, I'm sure MUCH better things come out of their mouth than does from yours.

Second,

Yes, dividing the Ummah is forbidden in the Qur'an, if you ever read it you should know that already.

The Quran says to hold fast to the rope of God and not disunite (3:103). What does "disunite" (or "separate" in other translations) mean to you? To me, it means killing each other, fighting against each other, supporting injustice standing up with the enemies of a just people just because you don't like your own people, and so on. More like what Sunnis do to Shiites around the Muslim world and what Shiites do to minorities in Iran. THAT, my dear brother, is what disunity mean to me.

Being united doesn't mean get one country and live under it. Gosh, that's rather naive and silly--not to mention, totally impractical-- don't you think? We need to first better our individual selves, then our homes, then our communities, then our villages/cities, then our countries, and THEN the world. One step at a time. That's how we can achieve peace and unity for the Muslim world. Unity also means helping your oppressed Muslim brothers and sisters all over the world. Pashtuns are currently oppressed, by the PK government; what have you or any other Muslim brother of yours done about it? ... Oh wait, perhaps some of us believe we DESERVE this oppression for supporting nationalism :|

Holding on fast to the rope of God should NOT mean, "Don't fight for independence from an oppressive Muslim regime (like Pakistan) that's refusing you your language, culture, claim to your own identity, and every other just move you as a people can make."

Third,

http://www.islamic-world.net/islamic-state/evidence.htm

Why should I care what these people have to say? What do they expect -- the over ONE billion Muslims to unite under ONE flag? :S Meaning, get ONE country and live under it? What kind of sense is that supposed to make to me, bro? They use the same verse I use for encouraging Muslims to be just to each other AND to others AND to stop killing each other. We (Pashtuns) haven't killed anyone -- okay, the Taliban are mostly Pashtuns, but the Pakistani army and government isn't any better, either, and has NO right to deny us our independence or right to practice our culture.

So, yeah, tell me again why I should trust the particular source you've given me when I can read the Quran for myself and take a positive meaning of it that does NOT include "nationalism is haraam."

You still haven't given a good enough reason for why nationalism is haraam. Keep trying, 'cause we're not convinced so far (that is, provided you want to convince us that it's haraam).

Pashtoons are not united, and why do you think? You reject Islam and mock the words of Allah (swt) and prefer to follow the likes of Charles Darwin... then you wonder why Pashtoons are not united. Can you get anymore pathetic?

Oh dear God, lol. How innocent of you. It's not about rejecting and mocking -- oh wait, we havne't mocked anyone. We're simplying saying nationalism isn't haraam. Try to prove us wrong, and we'll listen with an open heart, mind, and eye. But you, too, should listen to our views as well.

Manana.