Parsiwaan

[Fish]

As an Afghan, I feel very insulted and ashamed to consider people like you as my countrymen.

I am not sure of your age, but you need to have your discussion related to facts not personal opinion and lies. There may be few things, I might agree with you, but the vast majority of your arguement has been based on lies, hatred and discrimination.

The problems we face in Afghanistan today are due to our own internal issues and our own disunity. What we provided is what Pakistan hungered for. We gave them the advantage and they ignited the fire. Instead of blaming everything on the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and across the durand line you need to start from your own house and then move against others.

The fact is Afghanistan's problems began with the following individuals Hekmatyer, Masoud, Rabbani, Sayaf and etc who were trained and financed by ISI during the government of Daud Khan. These individuals opened the gates of the dark tunnel for Pakistan's ISI and today these same creatures are destroying Afghanistan.

Your main problem is that you see things through ethnicity, if you had the decensy and shame you would have accepted your mistakes and crimes of these people. You are one individuals who likes to blame everything on others.

The root cause and emergence of Taliban were the so called Mujahaddin who were puppets of foreigners. While Masoud was puppet of Russia, Hekmatyar was puppet of ISI and Mazari/Mohaqiq of Iran.

If these individuals had stopped fighting eachother for their foreign supported $$$$ Taliban would have been non-existent and you and I would have still been living in Afghanistan.

As for your insults towards Pashto language you need to understand Afghanistan has two national language which is Pashto and Dari. No one can confirm which language is spoken by majority and neither one can deny both languages are spoken majority of the times. No language has more influence other. Today majority of the government Ministers can interact in both languages and there are few who can speak Uzbeki, Balochi and Turkmeni. You are trying very hard to play the "divide-n-Rule" game of Britian with your silly comments.

You also need to understand as long as you have this mentality Afghanistan will not be rebuilt it will continue further destruction and the people will suffer more.


Also to correct you about the videos you have posted in your topic "Why" you need to know KHalid Kayhan's and Tahir Shubabs are originally from Panjshir, but like many patriot Afghans they sing in both of our National language.

This topic is not meant to insult you, but a brother's advice to change yourself and stop the propaganda.

Afghanistan has suffered more because of us not because war was imposed on us, but because we imposed it on ourselves.

[khushal]

Fish,
We did not impose it on ourselves. It was imposed on us. What happened to afghanistan was inevetable. I have said this before that this was all planned back in the early 70's by Henry Kissenger to get back at the USSR for Vietnam.
Nixon tried to persued Daud Khan to build a military base in exchange for Aid. Daud rejected his proposal. America started planning to organize a rebelion against Daud through Pakistan. The russians feared that the rebellion was getting stronger and they will allow an American Miitary presence in their own back yard so they invaded to prevent that from happening. The Ameicans wanted russia to invade to give them their own vietnam.
The Americans started pumping billions into the rebellion through pakistan, and you know the rest of the story.

There were too many powerfull forces behind the misery that afghanistan faces today. I dont see any afghan leader preventing this from happening except Daud if he had accepted Nixons proposal in the first place.

[Fish]

Fish,
We did not impose it on ourselves. It was imposed on us. What happened to afghanistan was inevetable. I have said this before that this was all planned back in the early 70's by Henry Kissenger to get back at the USSR for Vietnam.
Nixon tried to persued Daud Khan to build a military base in exchange for Aid. Daud rejected his proposal. America started planning to organize a rebelion against Daud through Pakistan. The russians feared that the rebellion was getting stronger and they will allow an American Miitary presence in their own back yard so they invaded to prevent that from happening. The Ameicans wanted russia to invade to give them their own vietnam.
The Americans started pumping billions into the rebellion through pakistan, and you know the rest of the story.

There were too many powerfull forces behind the misery that afghanistan faces today. I dont see any afghan leader preventing this from happening except Daud if he had accepted Nixons proposal in the first place.

Khushal,

There is no doubt the west had plans and it didn't start from the 70s, but in the late 50s when Britain had plans to partition Afghanistan again.

But who opened the doors for this misery? We Afghans did it ourselves. We became to naive to think about power and not worry about the outcome. Today we suffer because we brought the misery upon ourselves if we had some smart politicians and individuals Afghanistan would be a different countnry and you and myself wouldn't be living in the west.

The same way Pakistan's very good at using Islam as its propaganda to kill and destroy Afghanistan we Afghans are good at blaming others, but then we struggle to unite to defend ourselves.

I guarantee you had we had intelligent leadership and politicians we wouldn't have become fools and used as dirt.

I have great respect for Sardar Daud Khan he stood up to the Soviets, but that was unnecessary specially when Pakistan had the backing of Britian and USA.

Had the Monarchy stayed and had Zahir Shah been in power things would have been very different today.

[khushal]

Fish,
Any good leader that actually is working hard for the benifit of afghans would be killed instantly. If his work is in the way of american interests, america would finish him off. If his work is in the way of pakistani interests, pakistan would finish him off, etc, etc.
If hekmatyar and masood hadnt destroyed the country, they would have found some other idiot to do it. Every country has supplies of idiots that will take up arms against their own country, the difference is there was too much money and support pumped into the idiots of afghansitan.

[amna.]

Fish, I agree with everything you said.

[parsiwaan]

As an Afghan, I feel very insulted and ashamed to consider people like you as my countrymen.
I am not sure of your age, but you need to have your discussion related to facts not personal opinion and lies. There may be few things, I might agree with you, but the vast majority of your arguement has been based on lies, hatred and discrimination.

Sorry about that... you need to take it easy.. Don’t take this discussion personally...we are all individual in here and we are expressing our thoughts.

The problems we face in Afghanistan today are due to

our own internal issues and our own disunity.

What we provided is what Pakistan hungered for. We gave them the advantage and they ignited the fire. Instead of blaming everything on the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and across the durand line you need to start from your own house and then move against others.

The fact

is Afghanistan's problems began with the following individuals Hekmatyer, Masoud, Rabbani, Sayaf and etc who were trained and financed by ISI during the government of Daud Khan.

These individuals opened the gates of the dark tunnel for Pakistan's ISI and today these same creatures are destroying Afghanistan.

LOL... before feeling ashamed of me... plz feel ashamed of your contradiction and try to make sense of your argument...first you says our problems is all internal then you say our problem starts with Pakistan training so and so.
The problem with Afghanistan is people like you who don't know what the hell they are talking about...but are bend in trying to make a point. Give it a break buddy.

Your main problem is that you see things through ethnicity, if you had the decensy and shame you would have accepted your mistakes and crimes of these people. You are one individuals who likes to blame everything on others.

hum do i? but aren't you and rest of people in here too?

The root cause and emergence of Taliban were the so called Mujahaddin who were puppets of foreigners. While Masoud was puppet of Russia, Hekmatyar was puppet of ISI and Mazari/Mohaqiq of Iran.

naa the root cause was strategic depth...to turn Afghanistan into a fanatic, backward country...which will do Pakistan bidding in region. This has backfired good.. Ahamd Shah Massod had prophecies that Afghanistan war will only end inside pakistan. Fire they wanted to burn us has reached them.. and by god Im enjoying it.

Asheyan man Bechara gaar Sokht che Baak
Fekree Wayran shodan Khana e Sayaad Koneed

If these individuals had stopped fighting eachother for their foreign supported $$$$ Taliban would have been non-existent and you and I would have still been living in Afghanistan.

you have a simple mind.

As for your insults towards Pashto language you need to understand Afghanistan has two national language which is Pashto and Dari. No one can confirm which language is spoken by majority and neither one can deny both languages are spoken majority of the times. No language has more influence other. Today majority of the government Ministers can interact in both languages and there are few who can speak Uzbeki, Balochi and Turkmeni. You are trying very hard to play the "divide-n-Rule" game of Britian with your silly comments.

show me where i have insulted pashto language.

You also need to understand as long as you have this mentality Afghanistan will not be rebuilt it will continue further destruction and the people will suffer more.

first you assume things then you bs based on your assumption.

Also to correct you about the videos you have posted in your topic "Why" you need to know KHalid Kayhan's and Tahir Shubabs are originally from Panjshir, but like many patriot Afghans they sing in both of our National language.

Tahir is from Punjshir, Khalid Khayan...son of Areef Khyaan is from Nangarhaar..sorkh rood.. a pashton.

This topic is not meant to insult you, but a brother's advice to change yourself and stop the propaganda.

Afghanistan has suffered more because of us not because war was imposed on us, but because we imposed it on ourselves.

you need to grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.

[Fish]

Sorry about that... you need to take it easy.. Don’t take this discussion personally...we are all individual in here and we are expressing our thoughts.






LOL... before feeling ashamed of me... plz feel ashamed of your contradiction and try to make sense of your argument...first you says our problems is all internal then you say our problem starts with Pakistan training so and so.
The problem with Afghanistan is people like you who don't know what the hell they are talking about...but are bend in trying to make a point. Give it a break buddy.






hum do i? but aren't you and rest of people in here too?




naa the root cause was strategic depth...to turn Afghanistan into a fanatic, backward country...which will do Pakistan bidding in region. This has backfired good.. Ahamd Shah Massod had prophecies that Afghanistan war will only end inside pakistan. Fire they wanted to burn us has reached them.. and by god Im enjoying it.

Asheyan man Bechara gaar Sokht che Baak
Fekree Wayran shodan Khana e Sayaad Koneed





you have a simple mind.




show me where i have insulted pashto language.




first you assume things then you bs based on your assumption.







Tahir is from Punjshir, Khalid Khayan...son of Areef Khyaan is from Nangarhaar..sorkh rood.. a pashton.



you need to grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.

Parsiwan,

One request is that I am not like other forumers here I will not tolerate your childish debate. You need to counter your debate with facts not with your personal attacks and emotions.

The Afghan problem is internal why because people like you whom support an ethnic group became influenced by the foreigners. The foreigners provided Masoud, Hekmatyar, Sayaf, Rabani and etc with money and they fought for their purpose. But the question is who fought the war? Pakistan/Iran or Masoud, Hekmatyar, Sayaf, and Rabani who were supplied with weapons and money? Who were these people Afghan or Paki/Irani?

Majority of your posts have been filled with hatred, discrimination and baised information under the topic "Why."

I have not taken sides of any individual and I have no insulted anyone. You are what we Afghans would never tolerate and will never consider a brother.

An Afghan is someone who will defend his country, people whether they are from the North-South-West-East, but you are defended only your own ETHNIC. You are the root cause of today's problem and we hope you change yourself.

Aside from blaming everything on Pakistan you need to see the other side of the glass as well which is IRAN. On the East you have Pakistan as an enemy and on the west you have Iran as an Enemy.

Also being born in Surkh Rod does not make a person a Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara and etc. We have Afghans from different ethnicity living in different parts of Afghanistan amongst different groups. That's what makes us Afghan UNIQUE and brings us closer.

[Toramana]

I agree with Fish. One cannot do a debate with a person or a group who/which is not willing to take responsibility for any wrong-doing. We all Pashtuns know and gentlemanly concede what Hikmatyar, Sayaf, Taleban did was wrong but alas Parsiban would never accept they did anything wrong and would continue exalting Massoud, Rabbani, Fahim, Ismail Khan, etc. as super heroes (completely ignoring what Abdul Wakil, Farid Mazdak, Dostum, Massoud, Rabbani, Baba Jan, Asif Delawar, etc. to sabatage the Benon Sewan plan and the smooth transition of power---Pashtuns on the contrary accept that Gulbudin, Watanjar, etc. committed the same crime).

I stopped responding to Parsiban when yesterday he said most of the Dari-speaking that migrated to KP(Khyber Pukhtunkhwa) were Mohammadzais (at the same time claiming most of the Tajaks migrated to Iran) and that Pukhtunkhwa was once a Tajak land (so the few Tajaks that migrated to KP had the right to do so) although he himself has mentioned he passed many years in KP and that Rabbani was once based there.

Anyhow, the heated language aside, I respect Tajaks and Parsiwans and contrary to what I said here, I would not be un-nice to them if they ever come to Peshawar again. I think most of the Pashtuns (of KP) would do the same.