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    Video appears to show Pakistani troops lining up civilians and shooting them dead, raising concerns over army's conduct.

    by Andrew Wander

    An amateur video posted on a social networking site appears to show Pakistani troops unlawfully killing six young men, raising fresh concerns over the conduct of US-backed Pakistani forces in their battle against Taliban-allied groups.

    The blurry video, which runs for more than 5 minutes, shows men in Pakistani military uniforms lining up blindfolded young men with their hands tied behind their backs before gunning them down.

    The Pakistani military has said the video is fake.

    An organisation called the International Pashtuns' Association posted the video on Facebook and says that the incident took place during the military's crackdown on the Pakistani Taliban in the Swat valley the summer of 2009.

    The Pakistani government launched the operation after coming under pressure from Washington to do more to stop cross-border Taliban attacks on Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan.

    The location cannot be identified from the grainy footage, which appears to have been shot on a mobile telephone, but explosions can be heard in the background as the men are shot dead by the firing squad.

    As the soldiers prepare to fire, one of them asks the commander: "One by one, or together?" "Together" is the reply. The conversation is in Urdu, the language used by the Pakistani military.

    Video unverified

    The authenticity of the video cannot be independently confirmed by Al Jazeera, and the Pakistani government have said it was fabricated. But US media has quoted anonymous American officials who believe that the video is authentic.

    The uniforms and rifles appear to be consistent with Pakistan's standard military equipment, and a former Pakistani general told Al Jazeera that while the video could not be verified, the images should be taken seriously.

    "We have to take it at face value at the moment, and take it seriously," said Talat Masood. "My view is that the CIA and ISI are in a much better position to authenticate this."

    "It looks as though they are Pakistani troops, but there are several other aspects that need to be re-checked before we can say that it is authentic."

    He said that he thought the Pakistani military would "absolutely" investigate the authenticity of the video, because if confirmed it could do serious damage to Pakistan's strategy in tackling the Taliban.

    "I'm sure that this is not the military policy," he said. "It would undermine the whole war on terror, which is not just military, but about winning hearts and minds."

    'Credible Allegations'

    Human rights groups say the video fits in with "credible allegations" they have received about the conduct of Pakistani troops. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in June that 282 extra-judicial killings by the army had taken place in the Swat region in the past year.

    Amnesty International told Al Jazeera that while it could not confirm the authenticity of the video, but that it has "received credible reports of suspected insurgents being summarily executed by the Pakistani security forces in Pakistan's swat valley."

    "There have also been a number of sightings of mass graves in the region, with notes attached to the dead bodies, warning local people not to join the Taliban otherwise they would meet the same fate," said Maya Pastakia, Amnesty's specialist in Afghan and Pakistan. She said it was impossible to definitively tell who was behind the killings, pointing out that tribal conflicts could be playing out in an environment of chaos and insecurity.

    Human Rights Watch says it has received "numerous credible reports of extra-judicial executions allegedly committed by soldiers operating in Swat," adding that the Pakistani military has not investigated the allegations sufficiently.

    Meenakshi Ganguly, Human Rights Watch's South Asia Director, also called on the Pakistani authorities to investigate the video, and if it turns out to be genuine, to hold those responsible to account.

    "We hope this is not true, but the government of Pakistan must investigate thoroughly. We have documented allegations in the past of extra-judicial killings carried out by the Pakistani military," she told Al Jazeera.

    Headache for US

    If confirmed, the video could raise a legal headache for the US, which is bound by law not to give military aid and assistance to foreign armies found to have committed gross human rights violations.

    Considered a key partner in the efforts to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the Pakistani military has received $10 billion from Washington since 2001, when the Taliban were overthrown by a US-led coalition.

    The US State department described the images as "horrifying," and has said that the issue will be raised with the Pakistani government by Anne Patterson, the US ambassador to Pakistan.

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    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/09/2010930102124776944.html]Pakistan army accused of killings - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English



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    Mad props to International Pashtuns Association for getting it this far and Al Jazeera for reporting it.

  • #2
    I understand it would create a headache for the USA but there are just so many excuses they can offer.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      Wrayun and Admin Khan, I considered you two as extremists to begin with but you people have completely lost it now. Seriously....

      This video is obviously fake. Why would the Pakistani Army (the best army in the world after Allah) record an act of murder?

      Secondly, Pakistan is home to the Minar-e-Pakistan and Quaid's Mazaar. It can't do such things, therefore.

      Thirdly, you people are Afghanis and Pathanis and Pashtoz and everyone knows you're dumb. Okay?

      Furthermore, if you go to Swat, you'll see that the people love the Pakistani army. I've seen it myself on PTV. And Geo News.

      hehe and the video is so fake lolol xD! In the end, he shoots the dead bodies and they all sorta act as though they've been shot! Hmm no wait, how did they do that? Yeah well, it must have been photo-shopped! Jews and RAW made this video. But they will not deter NUKLEAR ISLAMIX BUM ATAMI HATHYAAR Pakistan, we will nuke Amayrika.

      And even if this video is real, it's just six people. Israel and NATO kill more. Go after them. We are all Muslims. Bhai Bhai Friendship! Okay?
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

      "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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      • #4
        Video unverified


        Nuff said
        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Talal View Post
          Video unverified


          Nuff said
          So just because Pak Army has not verified it, Its unverified? Who in the world would want to kill people for fun?

          call a spade, a spade Talal. Pak Army has done it in the past to Bengalis, what makes you think they wont do the same to us ethnic Afghans?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
            Wrayun and Admin Khan, I considered you two as extremists to begin with but you people have completely lost it now. Seriously....

            This video is obviously fake. Why would the Pakistani Army (the best army in the world after Allah) record an act of murder?

            Secondly, Pakistan is home to the Minar-e-Pakistan and Quaid's Mazaar. It can't do such things, therefore.

            Thirdly, you people are Afghanis and Pathanis and Pashtoz and everyone knows you're dumb. Okay?

            Furthermore, if you go to Swat, you'll see that the people love the Pakistani army. I've seen it myself on PTV. And Geo News.

            hehe and the video is so fake lolol xD! In the end, he shoots the dead bodies and they all sorta act as though they've been shot! Hmm no wait, how did they do that? Yeah well, it must have been photo-shopped! Jews and RAW made this video. But they will not deter NUKLEAR ISLAMIX BUM ATAMI HATHYAAR Pakistan, we will nuke Amayrika.

            And even if this video is real, it's just six people. Israel and NATO kill more. Go after them. We are all Muslims. Bhai Bhai Friendship! Okay?
            Dear LZ,

            What is your views on this video, do you think Pakistan will admit to its act? please enlighten us with your wisdom oh lord of PF!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by amna View Post
              So just because Pak Army has not verified it, Its unverified? Who in the world would want to kill people for fun?
              No it's not just PA, no credible agency has verified it, even the news agency that posted this article put up a disclaimer that it couldn't verify the video.


              Originally posted by amna View Post
              call a spade, a spade Talal. Pak Army has done it in the past to Bengalis, what makes you think they wont do the same to us ethnic Afghans?
              I would call it that except it's a war we're fighting

              I will keep a lookout for this k ? And I promise if there is anything concrete to pin this on the army I'll be the first to tell you. But anyways true or false and wether these kids were misguided or innocent may Allah forgive them and grant them peace
              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Talal View Post
                Video unverified


                Nuff said
                Are you the blind, dumb and deaf person the Quran warned us about? You see it and you hear yet you stay quiet. I can't decide whether this is hypocrisy or cowardice. What does "unverified" mean anyway? Are you waiting for the culprit to come and verify it? Show some backbone and admit the truth. Say that despite the fact that your Punjabi overlords killed these Swati bushmen, you still support them.


                Originally posted by amna View Post
                Dear LZ,

                What is your views on this video, do you think Pakistan will admit to its act? please enlighten us with your wisdom oh lord of PF!
                Dear amna.

                I'm the holy-man of PF, not the lord. For the lord art a woman.

                Pakistan would've never accepted the video as authentic even if it showed Kayani in it at 1080p HD. Denial is deep-rooted in Pakistan. I mean, this army lost a war in 1965 and celebrated it as a victory until 2008. Did you know that?

                Interestingly, the Pakistani media was aware of the video for days yet the important dailies didn't highlight this at all. The same independent media that airs the ISPR's press releases as verified 'news' will undoubtedly be in denial mode as well. Ever since the Mehsuds allegedly launched some attacks in Lahore and Islamabad, the Pakistani media has been cheering on its glorious army on its heroic and indeed triumphant march.


                Originally posted by Talal View Post
                No it's not just PA, no credible agency has verified it, even the news agency that posted this article put up a disclaimer that it couldn't verify the video.
                See the video yourself. Why do you say it's fake? Are you so downtrodden that you need goora-sahab to verify it for you? You need his rubber stamp for everything still? Why are you still suffering from the colonial mindset? Oh, I forgot - you're a patriotic Pakistani.


                Originally posted by Talal View Post
                I would call it that except it's a war we're fighting

                I will keep a lookout for this k ? And I promise if there is anything concrete to pin this on the army I'll be the first to tell you. But anyways true or false and wether these kids were misguided or innocent may Allah forgive them and grant them peace
                I will eat my Sindhi cap the day that happens.
                "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                • #9
                  they lost the 1965 war? i was taught they won... oh my LORD!

                  Are you the blind, dumb and deaf person the Quran warned us about
                  Classic! lol

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                  • #10
                    @LZ and Feroza ..you guys think whining and getting personal is gonna make a believer out of me

                    I honestly don't mind it knock yourselves out, Quran warned us about a lot of things .. I'm the least of your troubles
                    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Feroza_Banu View Post
                      they lost the 1965 war? i was taught they won... oh my LORD!



                      Classic! lol
                      You are not the only one...lolzz I remember I had to write essays in school about the tashkent agreement and the aggression of 1965 lolzz.

                      Ye a lot of news is slowly trickling down on other media outlets regarding this video. It is everywhere, it is not as if people can downplay it anymore.
                      http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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                      • #12
                        ^lolll... wow.. really... it is shocking to me. seriously because i was really taught they won the war. i remember every year they used to play this drama called "something shaheed" about that really famouse shaheed in pakistan for 1965 war that won some "tamgha"... damn my memory!.

                        please remind me, what is the highest medal in pakistan? and i think there were like 8 army officers who won it...

                        seriously i can't believe it.

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                        • #13
                          nishan i haidar

                          Raja aziz batti being the most famous of the bunch who were give these medals

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                          • #14
                            ^thanks for the info

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Talal View Post
                              And I promise if there is anything concrete to pin this on the army I'll be the first to tell you.
                              If A does this then I will do B, but if B does so then I will do C. And when A, B or C actually do the actual thing then it's India who compelled them to through Afghan soil. Yeah yeah buddy, we have heard that one before. We have heard that one.

                              Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                              Are you the blind, dumb and deaf person the Quran warned us about?
                              Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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