Iran and Pakistan from an Afghan prospective

[Punjabi]

How dare you say you think our govt did nothing?

Our economy is down rigt now because of Afghanistan.

We have open borders with you Afghans without any security.


a OPEN border, free travelling.


We lost 50 billion dollars in this, 50 BILLION.

Millions of your Afghans are in our country some even have better lifes then is Punjabis and this is the thanks we get?


our govt is very sincere towards you Afghans, we even have educational programs to educate you guys.



Tajikistan refused you Afghans.
Uzbekistan refused you Afghans.
Iran is kiling you Afghans.


we Pakistan embraced 6million of your people, we can't even differentiate which 1 is Afghan or not that's how wel your people integrated.


and this is what we get?

[Nick]

How dare you say you think our govt did nothing?

Our economy is down rigt now because of Afghanistan.

We have open borders with you Afghans without any security.


a OPEN border, free travelling.


We lost 50 billion dollars in this, 50 BILLION.

Millions of your Afghans are in our country some even have better lifes then is Punjabis and this is the thanks we get?


our govt is very sincere towards you Afghans, we even have educational programs to educate you guys.



Tajikistan refused you Afghans.
Uzbekistan refused you Afghans.
Iran is kiling you Afghans.


we Pakistan embraced 6million of your people, we can't even differentiate which 1 is Afghan or not that's how wel your people integrated.


and this is what we get?

Our economy is down rigt now because of Afghanistan.

We have open borders with you Afghans without any security.


a OPEN border, free travelling.


We lost 50 billion dollars in this, 50 BILLION.

LOL Economy Down, in Pakistan during 1980s LOL are you kidding me.
My friend from 1979-1988 Pakistan was booming, before this era only 25% of kids went to primary school, by 1990 it mounted to 70% don't BS dude. Pakistan couldn't even support its own youngsters to go to School and they were to spend this money on Afghans which never respected their state. LOL I tell you where the money went into Government's military, funds for Nuc, and buying so many Jets, have you forgotten, your foreign newly arrived Tanks, Jets and new tech weapons.

We lost 50 billion dollars in this, 50 BILLION.

Really I think I knowI remember in 1993 your total GDP was some 50 billion, how did you lose 50 billion dollars.

GDP of Pakistan in 1979 was 19 billion by 1982 it was 30 billion. How was is that you lost 50 billion in those Days.
LOL Ok fine take this into consideration. 1980s There was so much money coming into the Governments hands that it made itself a marking history point in the State of Pakistan. Yep it was to be remembered as Corruption era. Nawaz vs Ghulam Isaq, and ALi Zardari vs his A$$. Which made people of Pakistan to choose one dog over another. In the Main time few money maybe some 2 billion was given to other Dogs in Afghanistan.

We have open borders with you Afghans without any security.

It was an open border during British and always been during Pakistani era until 2004 and then in 2008 when they tried to get approval of the people to close down crossing. Despite people still cross. Do you know why because no person afghan by blood has accepted your British Border, and I don't think anyone ever will, (Maybe Blood thirsty politic ans)

Tajikistan refused you Afghans.
Uzbekistan refused you Afghans.
Iran is kiling you Afghans

Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan does not have land which Afghans claim as their own, because both nations are north of Amo Darya a traditional border, and Iran never supported Refugees because they did not receive even 20% of funds compare to what Pakistan has received. Therefore Afghans used Iran to pass into Turkey and then into Europe.

[PakistaniSoilder]

Nick be proud of your so called great nation of Afghanistan.

It was formed 1747 and the conditions today are the same as it was in 1747. You people have never progressed and you like blaming Pakistan for all your failures. Everybody sees this. You are fooling nobody with your silly arguments.

If think the Indians are in Afghanistan out of their good heart to help you people you are sadly mistaken. They are the worst, they will have you by your throats just to get to Pakistan. They do not care about you.

When U.S. leaves Afghanistan Karzi government is going to fall because most you are radicals and you want to impose your fundamentalist beliefs on others and Karzi government is an obstacle to this. Due to this you will once again going to be at the mercy of Pakistan and the ISI. Its better now if you and your people change your ways. It is for your own good.

[Nick]

Nick be proud of your so called great nation of Afghanistan.

It was formed 1747 and the conditions today are the same as it was in 1747. You people have never progressed and you like blaming Pakistan for all your failures. Everybody sees this. You are fooling nobody with your silly arguments.

If think the Indians are in Afghanistan out of their good heart to help you people you are sadly mistaken. They are the worst, they will have you by your throats just to get to Pakistan. They do not care about you.

When U.S. leaves Afghanistan Karzi government is going to fall because most you are radicals and you want to impose your fundamentalist beliefs on others and Karzi government is an obstacle to this. Due to this you will once again going to be at the mercy of Pakistan and the ISI. Its better now if you and your people change your ways. It is for your own good.

Nick be proud of your so called great nation of Afghanistan.

I am proud for the last 35 years of wars and conflict and over 40 years without a true government, we have hold each-others hands. I think Pakistan is so fragile, If Pakistan has 1 day without a government it well fall on the hands of India.

[PakistaniSoilder]

Your state is the same if not worse

Pride yourself on that false notion. 1747 your nation was formed and you were living in caves, today its in the exact same state.

Pakistan has only 63 years underneath its belt, give us time. We still are 100 times better off than you and thats why you Afghans move to Pakistan for a better life, you have nothing in your country.

You had 263 years do something with your nation and you have not done anything. Its sad how the U.S. had to come in bomb your nation from the stone age to pre-historic times. Its apparent the Afghan gene pool is missing a critical intelligence gene.

You are considered a DEHSHATGHARD everywhere you go, You cant even walk in Chile without being pulled over with Sirens, ask yourself why the world hates your Govt? Bingo. Its cause of its practices, Your country is a 3rd world with poverty rates below many nations and most of its funding is sent to Punjab while my 20million Afghans in Pakistan are suffering, collecting bags.

LOL sure, as if we care what you Wahabbis think.

But you are treated as Kaffirs where ever you go. Here take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I81ArtQgn8

Remember its you who are strapping bombs to your chest in the quest for 7 virgins. LOL.

You and your general are both scared of Afghanistan, and it makes sense, Afghanistan is on the verge of defeating 40 nations, including a superpower. What chance does a 3rd world nation like Pakistan have against brave Pashtuns?

lol, watch out for the drones.

And Pakistan has a Govt? Every take a look at your president.

We are the most powerful Islamic nation on this planet. Thank you.
If Pakistan wanted to we could nuke Afghanistan off the map.

You are lucky Pir_Rokhan,Khyaal and them are not getting at you, I guess cause they find your views useless. I know you are from another forum, Bring your educated members here to discuss this with us in a civil professional manner.

They have Wi-Fi in the caves? I am shaking in my boots.

P.S

The majority of us here at either college graduates or college students, This is not your average forums.


Welcome here however, Its a pleasure to have you with us.

Its about time you people decided to progress.

[PakistaniSoilder]

I am proud for the last 35 years of wars and conflict and over 40 years without a true government, we have hold each-others hands. I think Pakistan is so fragile, If Pakistan has 1 day without a government it well fall on the hands of India.

lol you hold each other hands, such lies, your tribal people kill each other from different tribes on a daily basis. Forgot about the Afghan civil war eh?

The last 35 years the ISI manipulated you simple minded people to do what we wanted you to do.

Sure India will take over Pakistan, keep dreaming.

[PakistaniSoilder]

Let me refresh your memory: this is what you Afghans are all about.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/talibanlines/view/?utm_campaign=searchpage&utm_medium=videosearch&utm_source=videosearch

Back to the stone age we go.

Oh and it is the Pashtuns who are giving Pakistan a bad name. Not Punjabis, don't try to be clever everybody knows this.

Once they stop strapping bombs on their chest and killing little children and innocent people we will be all good.

Don't worry, Pakistan and the U.S. drones are killing these traitor terrorist Pashtuns
off.

Don't be mistaken thou, Pakistan loves its loyal Pashtuns.

[PakistaniSoilder]

Here is Afghan History.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhWQ6oidWGs

This is your own people doing it to yourselfs. Do not point the finger at Pakistan. This has happened for centuries your tribes fighting with each other.

The majority of Pashtuns have supported the Taliban in Afghanistan.

[PakistaniSoilder]

Dude,

Like another member said, Hundreds of Punjabi soldiers surrendered to a few Pashtuns.

Is this what you are proud off? Your statement makes me sick.



Make no mistake we will kill all of you who do this and who support this.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Let me refresh your memory: this is what you Afghans are all about.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/talibanlines/view/?utm_campaign=searchpage&utm_medium=videosearch&utm_source=videosearch

Back to the stone age we go.

Oh and it is the Pashtuns who are giving Pakistan a bad name. Not Punjabis, don't try to be clever everybody knows this.

Once they stop strapping bombs on their chest and killing little children and innocent people we will be all good.

Don't worry, Pakistan and the U.S. drones are killing these traitor terrorist Pashtuns
off.

Don't be mistaken thou, Pakistan loves its loyal Pashtuns.

I absolutely agree with you. to be honest, Pashtuns are nothing but the butt kissers of PUnjabis and Pakistan. I also agree, they should be taught a lesson but its sad never learn their lesson! they still run back to Punjabis and beg for Sakari Jobs and vehnicles. And we have hindko Punjabis representing Pashtuns and yet pashtuns dont say anything but accept ti because they are ghulami people

[Michin Khel]

I absolutely agree with you. to be honest, Pashtuns are nothing but the butt kissers of PUnjabis and Pakistan. I also agree, they should be taught a lesson but its sad never learn their lesson! they still run back to Punjabis and beg for Sakari Jobs and vehnicles. And we have hindko Punjabis representing Pashtuns and yet pashtuns dont say anything but accept ti because they are ghulami people

From when the definition of pashtun has become to be anti-punjabi souls?
Kicking or kissing butt of punjabis will never help our nation to move ahead in terms of progress. We have to push ourselves independent of punjabis.
Punjabis were once under us when the swordmanship and muscle power were only criterias to be masters of black and white. Now the time has changed, definition of every thing is changed, even definition of bravery has changed.....a coward can shoot you by gun. We are still in same position while punjabis have grabbed seats of power using their brains. We are no longer threat or bully to punjabis and other neighbours. The theory that pashtuns have miraculous ability to bring down great empires is proving invalid nowadays. Our brawny bodies are no longer effective against F-16s and daizi-cutter bombs.
a pashtun who is a docter, engineer, professor, businessman, and high governament official in pakistan is more respectable to me than the one whose life revolves around Ak-47!
WE HAVE TO GEAR UP THE ACTIVITY OF OUR NEURONS

[MazloomyarMaseed]

From when the definition of pashtun has become to be anti-punjabi souls?
Kicking or kissing butt of punjabis will never help our nation to move ahead in terms of progress. We have to push ourselves independent of punjabis.
Punjabis were once under us when the swordmanship and muscle power were only criterias to be masters of black and white. Now the time has changed, definition of every thing is changed, even definition of bravery has changed.....a coward can shoot you by gun. We are still in same position while punjabis have grabbed seats of power using their brains. We are no longer threat or bully to punjabis and other neighbours. The theory that pashtuns have miraculous ability to bring down great empires is proving invalid nowadays. Our brawny bodies are no longer effective against F-16s and daizi-cutter bombs.
a pashtun who is a docter, engineer, professor, businessman, and high governament official in pakistan is more respectable to me than the one whose life revolves around Ak-47!
WE HAVE TO GEAR UP THE ACTIVITY OF OUR NEURONS

So how does a Pashtun progress? by acceping the terms given by a Punjabi and accept defeat from the Kuffur?

So what do you propose, that we accept invasion of Pashtun land, and do what bacha khan did and fail again. You see, ive seen alot of people like you, you remind me the red shirts, who would sit down and act all educated and never fight truely for their rights and nation, and what happened in the end? they accepted ghulamni and become Pakistanis and under Punjabs iron rule.

Without a armed struggle nothing can be acheived. You can sit down and read books and but dont except the occupiers to treat you fairly just because you have a PHD. I agree education is important, but you cant fight for ones rights and accept ghulami at the same time.

[Nasir]

the people of Pakistan are not the enemies of pakhtoon nation its only the military of Pakistan, and this is because of Indian threat. Pakistan military establishment will never allow India to strengthen their relations with Afghanistan.

[Nasir]

pakhtoons on both sides of the border are suffering from the strategic depth of pakistan military

[Max]

daym is every thread here like a battlefield ?

And guy Army soldiers didnt surrender or anything..During Musharraf's time the war against the taliban was hugely un-popular because these people hadnt dont anything to Pakistan..so the soldiers punjabis and pashtuns alike, they dropped their weapons because they said that we wont fight you, you are our muslim brothers and we wont kill our own blood