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    US plans for the region

    Saleem Safi

    When I came to know about the visit of Hamid Karzai I conveyed a request to him through his staff for an interview. I was informed that the president would not give a formal interview but that he had invited me for an informal discussion at breakfast. On the breakfast table, the chief of staff, the scribe and the president sat side by side. The president ordered the hotel staff to remove the water bottles and glasses as they were creating hurdles between him and the scribe. In support of the idea I stated that these large bottles were becoming a hurdle between us just like the Americans.

    Ostensibly both Pakistan and Afghanistan need the Americans, but in fact the Americans are creating troubles between the two countries. If these interventions ceased to exist, the problems would disappear altogether. This was the starting point of the discussion. The president seemed to be enjoying my criticism of the Americans. The president said that he was making sincere efforts to find a political solution to the Afghan crisis with the Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami. In the same vein he expressed his sincere desire to bury the hatchet with Pakistan and establish a relationship based on mutual trust and respect. Despite being appreciative of his and Pakistan’s limits in this regard, he had chosen the path to Islamabad via Torkham, and not via Delhi or Washington. President Karzai viewed Pakistan’s problems as his own; he viewed the multitude of problems faced by both countries as interconnected and common. The rest of the world played the role of an interested spectator while Islamabad and Kabul bore the brunt. He said that he sincerely expected Pakistan to side with the Afghan government. When I was leaving the hotel after meeting Hamid Karzai, the security officer directed me towards another gate, not the normal exit-point, because Gen David Patraeus was arriving at the hotel for a meeting with Gen Kayani and Hamid Karzai. It showed me what the compulsions of Pakistan and Afghanistan are, and why the Afghan issue is still unresolved.

    Ostensibly after the withdrawal from Iraq, the US had started talking about a political solution to the Afghan problem. But actually it has begun a very dangerous game in the garb of a political solution. The US has failed to appreciate the fact that it has been defeated in Afghanistan. And therefore as a first priority it wants to put maximum pressure on Pakistan for active help in defeating Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It wants a political solution, still the second option, which would prove to be a precursor to the destruction of both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US wants to send the message to the Taliban and other resistance groups that peace talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan have no value unless they are sanctioned by Washington. Therefore, any reconciliation or political solution should be discussed with the US. The US does let Pakistan and Afghanistan offer any incentives to the Taliban, but is itself offering concessions to them to deceive them out of resistance.

    The US appears committed to the plan of administratively dividing Afghanistan into two halves; the north and south. For this purpose it had covertly supported Abdullah Abdullah in the previous election and is still busy strengthening him. On the other hand Hamid Karzai and Pakistan are trying for a rapprochement with leaders from northern Afghanistan. For this very reason Hamid Karzai had given the two positions of vice president to Tajik Qasim Faheem and Hazara leader Karim Khalili and is also in coalition with the Uzbeks. Pakistan, being appreciative of US plans, is also making efforts to establish good relations with Qasim Faheem, Karim Khalil and Ustad Muhaqqiq. If US plans are to be successful, it will hand over southern and eastern Afghanistan to the Taliban in the second phase. The Americans will shift their camps to northern Afghanistan and will strengthen these military outposts. The Americans will then pitch Afghans against each other. It is also feared that the US will incite the Taliban against Pakistan to teach Islamabad a lesson. For the success of this conspiracy, the US plans to dub the Taliban movement as a Pakhtun-nationalist movement. Then, it will also call upon the nationalists to side with the Taliban to pave the way for Pakhtunistan. It is pretty clear that the US is neither sincere with the Taliban nor with Pakhtun nationalists. It only wants the region to burn in the flames of ethnic and sectarian conflicts of various hues so that American interests in the region are not challenged by any other power.

    The Americans may be intelligent and good planners, but they do not control everything on the planet. Many of their conspiracies and plans have been defeated in the past and can well be defeated in the future as well. But this will take courage from the leaders and a real coalition and unity among the states in the region. What these three states are, will be discussed in the next column. The Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami should not be part of this conspiracy. They should make it clear to the US that they will only talk to the Afghan government and Pakistan; if the US is interested, it should really empower the Afghan and Pakistani governments for a political solution.

  • #2
    Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
    US plans for the region

    Saleem Safi

    When I came to know about the visit of Hamid Karzai I conveyed a request to him through his staff for an interview. I was informed that the president would not give a formal interview but that he had invited me for an informal discussion at breakfast. On the breakfast table, the chief of staff, the scribe and the president sat side by side. The president ordered the hotel staff to remove the water bottles and glasses as they were creating hurdles between him and the scribe. In support of the idea I stated that these large bottles were becoming a hurdle between us just like the Americans.

    Ostensibly both Pakistan and Afghanistan need the Americans, but in fact the Americans are creating troubles between the two countries. If these interventions ceased to exist, the problems would disappear altogether. This was the starting point of the discussion. The president seemed to be enjoying my criticism of the Americans. The president said that he was making sincere efforts to find a political solution to the Afghan crisis with the Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami. In the same vein he expressed his sincere desire to bury the hatchet with Pakistan and establish a relationship based on mutual trust and respect. Despite being appreciative of his and Pakistan’s limits in this regard, he had chosen the path to Islamabad via Torkham, and not via Delhi or Washington. President Karzai viewed Pakistan’s problems as his own; he viewed the multitude of problems faced by both countries as interconnected and common. The rest of the world played the role of an interested spectator while Islamabad and Kabul bore the brunt. He said that he sincerely expected Pakistan to side with the Afghan government. When I was leaving the hotel after meeting Hamid Karzai, the security officer directed me towards another gate, not the normal exit-point, because Gen David Patraeus was arriving at the hotel for a meeting with Gen Kayani and Hamid Karzai. It showed me what the compulsions of Pakistan and Afghanistan are, and why the Afghan issue is still unresolved.

    Ostensibly after the withdrawal from Iraq, the US had started talking about a political solution to the Afghan problem. But actually it has begun a very dangerous game in the garb of a political solution. The US has failed to appreciate the fact that it has been defeated in Afghanistan. And therefore as a first priority it wants to put maximum pressure on Pakistan for active help in defeating Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It wants a political solution, still the second option, which would prove to be a precursor to the destruction of both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US wants to send the message to the Taliban and other resistance groups that peace talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan have no value unless they are sanctioned by Washington. Therefore, any reconciliation or political solution should be discussed with the US. The US does let Pakistan and Afghanistan offer any incentives to the Taliban, but is itself offering concessions to them to deceive them out of resistance.

    The US appears committed to the plan of administratively dividing Afghanistan into two halves; the north and south. For this purpose it had covertly supported Abdullah Abdullah in the previous election and is still busy strengthening him. On the other hand Hamid Karzai and Pakistan are trying for a rapprochement with leaders from northern Afghanistan. For this very reason Hamid Karzai had given the two positions of vice president to Tajik Qasim Faheem and Hazara leader Karim Khalili and is also in coalition with the Uzbeks. Pakistan, being appreciative of US plans, is also making efforts to establish good relations with Qasim Faheem, Karim Khalil and Ustad Muhaqqiq. If US plans are to be successful, it will hand over southern and eastern Afghanistan to the Taliban in the second phase. The Americans will shift their camps to northern Afghanistan and will strengthen these military outposts. The Americans will then pitch Afghans against each other. It is also feared that the US will incite the Taliban against Pakistan to teach Islamabad a lesson. For the success of this conspiracy, the US plans to dub the Taliban movement as a Pakhtun-nationalist movement. Then, it will also call upon the nationalists to side with the Taliban to pave the way for Pakhtunistan. It is pretty clear that the US is neither sincere with the Taliban nor with Pakhtun nationalists. It only wants the region to burn in the flames of ethnic and sectarian conflicts of various hues so that American interests in the region are not challenged by any other power.

    The Americans may be intelligent and good planners, but they do not control everything on the planet. Many of their conspiracies and plans have been defeated in the past and can well be defeated in the future as well. But this will take courage from the leaders and a real coalition and unity among the states in the region. What these three states are, will be discussed in the next column. The Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami should not be part of this conspiracy. They should make it clear to the US that they will only talk to the Afghan government and Pakistan; if the US is interested, it should really empower the Afghan and Pakistani governments for a political solution.
    that's gone not happen never
    and that's showing u all that USA was looking for Natural resources in north
    taliban never will accepet that
    and they said that
    f for US gov and all enemy gov

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    • #3
      Exactly Fahd, that will never and can never happen. And there is no reason why this Saleem Safi stooge will make such a wild claims with absolutely no basis to substantiate it and yet he spells out so much in the same breath. While if one ignores his expert views to be liable as crap regarding Karzai and Afghanistan, one should account for other than this especially in regards to Pakistan. The only thing that strikes me is his fear of Taliban not turning against Pakistan and in turn Pashtuns in general do not join hands. Other than that, America playing games, is defeated yet controls the sky above and the earth below, Karzai wants to be sincere with Pak (so what is the problem then?), will leave the south to Taliban (which is what Pakis would love), yet America want to turn them against Pakistan.... is either all pretence or is overwhelmed by a malaise of Pakiiztan running out of moves and its strategic assets are becoming a liability. ???

      All of Afghanistan is blessed with natural resources, in fact south has the most riches. Abdullahx2 is an outdated moron, so this author should shut the heck up.

      No comments from others... oh well..
      Last edited by ComradePashtun; 09-26-2010, 06:32 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
        Exactly Fahd, that will never and can never happen. And there is no reason why this Saleem Safi stooge will make such a wild claims with absolutely no basis to substantiate it and yet he spells out so much in the same breath. While if one ignores his expert views to be liable to talk crap regarding Karzai and Afghanistan, one should account for other than this especially in regards to Pakistan. The only thing that strikes me is his fear of Taliban not turning against Pakistan and in tunr Pashtuns in general do not join hands. Other than that, America playing games, is defeated yet controls the sky above and the earth below, Karzai wants to be sincere with Pak (so what is the problem then?), will leave the south to Taliban (which is what Pakis would love), yet America want to turn them against Pakistan.... is either all pretence or is overwhelmed by a malaise of Pakiiztan running out of moves.

        No comments from others... oh well..
        Peera yaw kho taliban khplaa da Afghanistan maatha na manee nu agha imkaan na laree ao na agho durand karkha manee. So this is a huge hypothetical on his end. It is highly probably that maybe a part of NATO policy think tank may entertain this idea. However if the 90s civil war taught us anything (as well as a recent offer by US to give talibs the 8 provinces to rule in return for peace) is that these options are out of the question. I think he is being a little alarmist and it is no surprise saleem safi has mixed loyalties...once in awhile he writes a really good article and in the others he will write complete garbage (check his urdu columns). Plus plans of dubbing taliban as a pashtun nationalist movement have been done not only by some in the west but even some within the policy quarters of Pakistan...so this is very ironic. They wanted talibs to be the sole political representatives of Pashtuns on both sides of the durand in an effort (at least one of them being) to sideline any of the main nationalist parties. Also, like I said before he assumes that talibs will accept this, which I doubt they will. ISI may have a certain grip on a few of them, but they don't own them in this sense....I doubt even the taliban will (if we consider them one whole) accept this. Pashtun nationalist parties won't accept the division of Afghanistan either.
        http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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        • #5
          I know wrora, and this does not, far from it, end with Taliban. Americans would dare not, and no one will! Ka America da ghool kala hum wokhroi no tool Afghanistan ba woor worta joor see, aw noor de hum da Afghanistan na for sure laas womeenzee! Pa de bara kshe za hets fekr nalaram. What strikes me is Saleem Safi's fears of Taliban turning against Pakiiztan and somehow their struggle doesn't morph in to a nationalist one. Imkaan laree.

          Muzja Pashtu sama nasoo lwastai aw ta Urdu (che sam pre pohozhoo hum na lol) ra badi lwali.

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