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  • #31
    Here is a story from Time:

    Breaking news and analysis from time.com. Politics, world news, photos, video, tech reviews, health, science, and entertainment news.


    Here are some news bulletins:
    YouTube - Liberation War of Bangladesh: NBC News Footage 1
    YouTube - Liberation War of Bangladesh:News Footage 2
    YouTube - Liberation War of Bangladesh:News Footage 3

    And a news report in Time, that punctures your claim that the number of refugees was inflated:
    Clearly, there were at least two sides to the conflict, and the U.S.'s blatant partiality toward Pakistan seemed both unreasonable and unwise. India has legitimate grievances: the cost of caring for 10 million refugees,$830 million by the end of March; the threat of large-scale communal turmoil in the politically volatile and hard-pressed state of West Bengal, where the bulk of the refugees have fled; the presence on Indian soil of large numbers of guerrillas who could become a militant force stirring up trouble among India's own dissatisfied masses; and finally, the prospect of a continued inflow of refugees so long as the civil war continues.
    Some other articles:
    The World: East Pakistan: Even the Skies Weep - TIME
    The World: The U.S.: A Policy in Shambles - TIME

    And more: Pakistan: The Ravaging of Golden Bengal -- Printout -- TIME
    The column pushing into India never ends, day or night. It has been four months since civil war broke out between East and West Pakistan, and the refugees still pour in. No one can count them precisely, but Indian officials, by projecting camp registrations, calculate that they come at the rate of 50,000 a day. Last week the estimated total passed the 7,500,000 mark. Should widespread famine hit East Pakistan, as now seems likely, India fears that the number may double before the exodus ends.
    Perhaps because what they flee from is even worse. Each has his own horror story of rape, murder or other atrocity committed by the Pakistani army in its effort to crush the Bengali independence movement. One couple tells how soldiers took their two grown sons outside the house, bayoneted them in the stomach and refused to allow anyone to go near the bleeding boys, who died hours later. Another woman says that when the soldiers came to her door, she hid her children in her bed; but seeing them beneath the blanket, the soldiers opened fire, killing two and wounding another.
    The Hindus, who account for three-fourths of the refugees and a majority of the dead, have borne the brunt of the Moslem military's hatred. Even now, Moslem soldiers in East Pakistan will snatch away a man's lungi (sarong) to see if he is circumcised, obligatory for Moslems; if he is not, it usually means death. Others are simply rounded up and shot. Commented one high U.S. official last week: "It is the most incredible, calculated thing since the days of the Nazis in Poland."
    Is Time an Indian newspaper ?

    All this is not for your benefit as I know you will continue denying that a genocide was committed and all the evidence is a part of Indo-Bangla Conspiracy, but for any other member here who are still in doubt whether it was a Genocide or "Civil War".

    Regards,
    Drona
    Last edited by drona; 09-29-2010, 12:20 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by drona View Post
      Roadrunner,
      I am saddened by the fact that you continue to defend the indefensible.
      What is indefensible exactly?

      The 3 million Bangladeshi war dead that not even the Bangladeshis believe (minus the War Museum curator)?

      Let's not muddy the water by dragging in the "Kashmir issue". It was Pakistan Army that started the 1947-48 land grab, thus forcing the J&K monarch to accede to India. Pakistan government has *never* supported the idea of J&K independence. If you really think Kashmir issue is relevant in PF than kindly open a new thread and we can discuss it in detail.
      The Pashtuns in fact knew India was looking to steal Kashmir and went to help the Kashmiris.

      The Pakistan Army joined in later.

      The Monarch of Kashmir asked Mountbatten for help.

      Mountbatten said he would provided Kashmir was given a plebiscite.

      No plebiscite was given.

      Pakistan Army moved into Kashmir, the Pashtuns withdrew.

      India went crying to the United Nations.

      The United Nations told India you must hold a plebiscite.

      India said yes it would, but kept delaying it.

      The UN made many resolutions against India for its failure to comply

      India then stole Kashmir by making it a state in its constitution.

      Pakistan has not incorporated Kashmir into its constitution and should not, though it does wield power over the Kashmiri government.

      Pakistan will be prepared to have this plebiscite. India does not want to because the Kashmiris will choose Pakistan over India, or if the third option of independence is given they will choose that.

      So India is the one that has stolen the land of Kashmir and has caused the tension to rise in the region.

      Do you disagree Kashmir is currently a state of India according to the Indian constitution?

      LoL. Yes I know the statistical phenomenon of margin of error. But it always varies between 5-10%. You are claiming a moe of more of 60%. In your own words, this is complete rubbish.
      Could you explain this a bit more?

      The lower bound for the figure is not 5% of the mean full stop.

      It can be any % of your average.

      It depends how varied your figures are, and yours are ridiculously varied. Some from half a million, others up to 3 million.

      The 5% is just lower and upper bounds of your average. It is how much any new source may vary due to the random effect of it being another source.

      If your figures are wildly inaccurate they can vary by 60%. Since your figures are so ridiculously different, your margin of error is also ridiculously high.

      Therefore your figures are not accurate.

      Why? Because the estimates were made on the basis of oppressed Bengalis officials ? Do you expect Swedes and Martians to be present during the genocide to give "neutral" claims.
      Nope, not because they were made by oppressed Bengali officials.

      Because your figures have a margin for error that is so high that you could have a lower bound of zero Bengladeshi casualties in the war.

      At the end of this post I will give some neutral news reports.

      You are clearly ignorant (or pretending to be) about human history, and to the atrocities it is capable of committing. Read more about the genocide committed by Nazis, Polpot regime, Stalin regime, Darfur crisis, Bosnian genocide, Mao's PRC , etc.
      So we can say that the 1971 Pakistani Army are the equivalent of the Nazis.

      Right then, I'm not sure many people will agree with you, least of all the Americans, the Chinese, the countries where it supplied peacekeeping forces and quite a few others.

      You do realize the difference between the Nazi Army and the 1971 Pakistani Army, don't you?

      d she is a professor, She has carried out extensive (motivated) research and spoken about this at high level conferences.(in five star hotels)

      Anyways don't be surprised if she starts appearing a "prestigious South Asian expert" in "neutral" channels like CNN.
      Oh I get it now.

      She wrote it so she could stay in 5-star hotels! (the bit in brackets is what you wrote, I didn't write it).

      So let's see. She is a professor with a job, probably gets sent around the world to different conferences stays in 5 star hotels regularly, and oddly enough, she is married to an executive director that probably makes hundreds of thousands a year. I think she could easily pay to stay in 5-star hotels herself.

      So I am supposed to believe a Bengali living comfortably in London 30 years after the genocide rather than those Bengalis who were themselves the victims of genocide ?
      Since she has done the research and accumulated the evidence on an impartial basis, yes, she is to be believed.

      The Bengalis who were themselves victims during the war, or witnessed any atrocities can only speak for the atrocity that they saw. They cannot speak for the whole war and know how many died which is clearly not recorded accurately.

      One request. Kindly stop parroting the official line of Pakistan that it was a "war". War only lasted for 13 days. Before that it was a genocide that lasted for 9 months . Pure and simple !
      It was not a genocide.

      I disagree with that.

      Archer Blood, one of the chief proponents that it was genocide in 1971, retracted his statement in his 2002 memoirs that it was genocide.

      His words were on the lines of, "it became clear that what was happening was not a genocide, and the army was being used to secure the countryside".

      That is your main source, and he does not call it one. It was a conflict, a war.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by drona View Post
        Here is a story from Time:

        Is Time an Indian newspaper ?

        All this is not for your benefit as I know you will continue denying that a genocide was committed and all the evidence is a part of Indo-Bangla Conspiracy, but for any other member here who are still in doubt whether it was a Genocide or "Civil War".

        Regards,
        Drona
        Time is not an Indian newspaper, but it is funny how you claim before that the Americans had an agenda to cover up the so-called genocide committed by the Pakistani Army, yet if an American source agrees with your belief of genocide, then you champion it as a neutral source with good credibility.

        I do agree that there were instances where the Pakistani Army committed atrocities and war crimes. But this is also admitted by the Pakistanis themselves. Quite a few soldiers were court martialled over what happened and the military leadership was not given immunity to prosecution over it.

        This does not constitute a genocide. It constitutes individual instances of war crimes.

        It is the equivalent of the instances of war crimes committed by the Indian Army in Kashmir. Nothing more, nothing less.

        Incidentally, the US official you quoted could easily have been Archer Blood who at the time thought it was a genocide. Read the Blood Telegram. He later changed his mind. Nixon and the rest of the US leadership did not consider it anything like a genocide.

        Since you have now accepted American sources as credible, what do you think of another US official, Henry Kissinger, saying

        "The Indians are *******s anyway," says Mr Kissinger. "They are starting a war there."
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4633263.stm

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        • #34
          Originally posted by drona View Post
          This article written by an expat Bangladeshi clearly explains the mindsets of those who committed the genocide as well as those who continue to defend it. Frankly Pakistan army is the worst thing that ever happened to Islam.
          Mindset of Pakistanis favouring 1971 Genocide

          By Abul Kasem

          This re-count starts when I was in Thailand in 1973 to do my post graduate studies in Engineering. The Institution was AIT and being an international institution for post graduate study there were students from many parts of the world, though the majority were from the Asian countries. There was sizable number of Bangladeshi as well as Pakistani and Indian students. Bangladesh was just liberated and most of us still had the fresh memories of the holocaust and never expected the Pakistanis to be friendly with us. But to our surprise, we found that most Pakistanis were quite nice a bunch of friendly helpful people. They were extremely curious about what had happened in Bangladesh during that turbulent nine-month period. (Just like roadrunner here)

          Many a time we used to have lengthy chat sessions with them. These Pakistanis were extremely religious. And they used to preach on us on all aspects of the last revelations of God, that is Islam. They used to think that our knowledge of Islam was incomplete, erroneous and filled with Hindu practices. They used to preach on us like a priest gives sermons on the followers. Their devotion to Islam was so strong that they forced the canteen manager to open counter for Muslim students so that they (the Muslims) can eat the food sanctioned by Islam. Naturally, many Bangalees who are religious minded were greatly impressed by their words and practices. But a sinner like me was very skeptical about their words and actions right from the very beginning.

          Then came the topic of creation of Bangladesh. Naturally, they sided with the Pak army although they expressed sorrow for the lives lost. When they heard that 3 million people were massacred and that the action of Pak army cannot be dismissed simply as an act of restoration of peace and order they simply laughed. The reason was that they did not believe what had happened to our people in occupied Bangladesh. When we asked them how many Bangalees were killed, they quoted a figure of 3,000 or to that order. They also insisted that those killed were mostly Hindus so we should not bother too much about the massacre. That was to say that the killing of Hindus was all right. We pointed out that the figure of 3 million was not invented by the Government of Bangladesh but the figure was from reliable foreign sources such as AFP, Reuters, Time magazine, etc. We also told them that a Pakistani journalist by the name of Anthony Mascarenhas has written a book titled ‘The Rape of Bangladesh’ where he had quoted a similar figure. The Pakistanis simply dismissed those facts and said that the foreign journalists were bribed by India to write these figures. When we asked them how did they get the figure of 3,000, they said that that figure was released by the military authorities. And how about the 200, 000 rape cases? They were adamant that not a single woman was raped. Such is the power of Pak oligarchy and Pak military to condition peoples’ mind. ( Oh wow, did this guy meet roadrunner here!)

          Now, the interesting point was that whenever the atrocities of the Pak army were mentioned to them, they were all adamant that we (the Bangalees) are to blame for that. Why? Simply because we were not good Muslims. How? If we were good Muslims, we should not have voted for the Awami League. They told us that the right parties to vote were Pakistan Muslim League or Jamat-i-Islami. It was no secret to guess that most Pakistanis considered us (Bangalees) as non Muslims as almost all of us voted for Awami League. Therefore they opined that the genocide was not really a genocide! It was getting rid of the non-Muslims. After all, they (the non-Muslims) were not really human beings.

          Everyone knows that Thailand and especially Bangkok has plenty of seedy joints to have fun and frolic with young women. I shall admit that I went to one of those joints along with a couple of friends of mine. Being a sinner I did not have serious problem with those things. However, one day we got the shock of our lives when we found these Pakistani Islamists sitting comfortably and blithely at the massage parlour and ogling at the scantily dressed amorous Thai sex kittens. Then they saw us. To our surprise, they expressed no shame or they even did not try to hide their faces. They openly welcomed us and shook hands with us as per Islamic style. We were simply stunned and lost for any word. The Pakistanis even told us which girls were good and sexually attractive, etc. etc. They were not ashamed or afraid to admit that they visited those joints quite frequently. Most of them had their favourite girls with whom they had plenty of erotic fun. Those things were unbelievable to me and I thought that I must have been in Mars or another planet or that God has changed his mind on sins and virtues.

          After a few weeks, an opportunity came for me to ask one of these Islamists as to what would happen to them since they have committed the sin of zina. They were very surprised at me for this impertinence. He told me that they have committed no sin. What? No sin! My brain must have failed to work! I simply could not hold my breath any longer to listen to what they had to say. He told me that Thais were not Muslims; so having fun with their girls were all right. In fact, he told me that that had been the practice in Islam for centuries. Whenever the Muslims defeated the non-Muslims, they could do whatever they (the Muslims) wanted with the non-Muslims. The Muslims can use the non-Muslim women as sex slaves and please themselves as they wished. A Muslim even had the right to kill the women if he wished. In simple language the non-Muslims were not really human beings. They (the non-Muslims) were inferior even to cattle and animals. Moreover, the Pakistani told me that the Prophet had allowed to have sex if a man is living overseas. I could not believe of what I was hearing! He then quoted me from his memory many verses from Koran and Hadith to support his views. Then I reminded my Pakistani friend that there was quite a small minority of Muslims in Thailand. So, if by accident he had sex with one of the Thai Muslim prostitutes what will befall him. He answered glibly, “No problem.” When I return to Pakistan I shall have a Milad Mehfil and ask for forgiveness. Finally, the Hajj is there for him to receive the forgiveness. But he said that that might not be necessary because he was very sure that none of the girls he had sex with were Muslims.

          If a Pakistani reads this re-count he/she may be greatly offended, no doubt about it. Many Pakistanis will defend that the view by one person does not mean any thing. No apology will be sought. Any Pakistani can form whatever opinion he thinks is suitable. It is up to him/her. Let us look at the wider implications of what my Pakistani Islamists had said. Was it an individual’s wrong interpretations of the holy books of Islam? Was it the mindset of a mentally sick person? Do not be fooled by these thoughts. For when we look back, we see that that was the mindset of Pakistani army recruits who unleashed a reign of terror leading into massacring millions of Bangalees. Pakistanis may differ on many matters but when the question of Islamic superiority comes, they are unanimous. This was the work of the Oligarchy, the army and the clerics of Pakistan. These groups have rigidly programmed the vast majority of Pakistanis with the thought that they (the Pakistanis) have the absolute superiority in Islamic matters. And this thinking got a further boost with the detonation of Islamic bomb in 1998. We Bangalees have no problem with their superior thinking. The only trouble is that these dangerous thoughts have cost 3 million dear lives of Bangalees.

          So, to put everything in a simple language, the Pakistani army did not kill any human being in Bangladesh. They only cleared the field from pest; just like a farmer spreads insecticide to free his crops from devastation. So, is the case of the Pak army. They simply eliminated the non-Muslims and the not so good Muslims to protect the good Muslims those who would follow them. The question of remorse or guilt feeling does not arise at all. You see, the Pak army did not rape any women. They simply enjoyed the flesh of non-Muslims. Even if there were some excessive force being applied, there is no need to feel guilty about that. The ubiquitous Milad is there; the Hajj is there too to remove even the slightest trace of culpability. A serial killer is a psychologically sick person. He gets pleasure in seeing the suffering of a dying person in his hands. But deep down, the serial killer knows that what he is doing is wrong. He is surely aware of the eventual punishment if he is caught. That is why, most serial killers readily admit their crime and on many occasions regret of their actions when he recovers from his sickness. How about the perpetrators of a genocide? They are perfectly normal. Most of them are really very nice, polite, and soft spoken (like the Islamic Circle of North America’s leader Ashrafuzzaman Khan). But there is one trait that separates them from the rest of us and that is, the uncompromising faith in the supremacy of what they belief and their inability to accept the existence of others if they do not follow them. Any means is justified to advance their belief even if that means the annihilation of an entire race. That is why no Pakistani has ever condemned the genocide of the Bangalees. That is why they will do that again if an opportunity lends itself. Since no crime has been committed, the question of trial of the perpetrators of genocide does not arise at all. Isn’t it so?

          This is the mindset of the planners and executioners of Bangladesh genocide. This is the mindset of Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan, Golam Azam, Ayatollah, Ashrafuzzaman -------. This why we have Auswitcz, Kosovo,, Bosnia, Palestine, East Timor -----.

          Is Islam the only religion responsible for the genocide? Surely not. Every organised religion on earth has sanctioned murder, rape loot, plunder --- etc, as long as that is directed towards the non-believers. Religion has a cousin to go with it. That is racism. Religion and racism go hand in hand. That is why we have Hitler, Radovan Karadzic, Slobodan Milosevic, Ratko Mladic and so on.

          Karl Marx said, “Religion is the opium of the masses.” In today’s world that is a very understatement. If people take opium they become addicted and ruin their health. There should not be any problem for humanity on that. Today, religion has become a vermin (read pest) for humanity. This cancerous virus has spread in every human being on this planet. I am not sure if we will find an antidote for this disease in our life time or not.

          Why did I write this essay after all these years? It can be summed up by a quotation from Shakespeare. The famous bard wrote,
          “A little fire is quickly trodden out;
          Which, being suffered, rivers cannot quench.”
          ( Shakespeare, ‘Henry VI, Part Three,’ IV, viii,7. (A fire ‘suffered’ is one permitted to burn.).

          The fire is still burning inside me although the events of 1971 may be more like some specks of dust in the minds of Bangalees who till this day would not admit that Pakistanis have done excess all in the name of religion.

          Abul Kasem is an academic and writes from Australia
          Interesting article.

          Why didn't you give a source for it?

          Here it is

          http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...nbelievers.htm

          Surprise. Faithfreedom.

          And Abul Kasem? Let's see some of his other contributions.

          http://www.faithfreedom.org/Author/AbulKasem.htm

          So let's understand this.

          You quote an author that writes articles ridiculing Islam, insults Muslims, and quote it as some sort of authority, but one that you are too afraid to source?

          Why would that be?

          It doesn't add to your credibility and demonstrates what sites you regard as credible.

          Btw it's not a special article. Anyone can write an article for that site and if it's anti Muslim enough, the owner will put it up. You could even be Abul Kasem quite easily.

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          • #35
            It's nice to see some people defend Pakistani army for things they did do and instead accuse groups such as Khad for things they haven't even done.
            Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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            • #36
              Roadrunner,

              Dude if you think that I am going to discuss India's stance on Jammu and Kashmir with a creature who defends Pakistan Army, an institution that commits genocide on its own people and foments terrorism against the people of its neighboring countries, then you are deluded.

              If any other member is fooled by the lies that you have posted (abt J&K), and asks me , then I shall give a detailed reply.
              Vande Mataram - Lata Mangeshkar - YouTube

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              • #37
                bloody *******s

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                • #38
                  Roadrunner was just a Punjabi racist who - as evident in his posts - was obsessed with colour, skin complexion, race and so forth, sign of an inferiority complex. So he would have made any pseudo-argument to justify the genocide of 1971, despite the fact that the official Pakistani report in to the 1971 war, the Hamdoor Rehman report stated that Pakistani army troops carried out atrocites and rapes.

                  Anyway Pakis got a good beating and got kicked out of the country, what is irritating is they still can't get over this and whine like morons, when it is we Bengalis who actually suffered.

                  Anyway we Bengalis got our freedom in 1971 and I would like to thank Bacha Khan (rahmatullahi alaih), Wali Khan (rahmatullahi alaih) and KHAN I AZAM, Shaheed Abdus Samad Achakzai (rahmatullahi alaih) for supporting us. Pashtun nationalists for going out in to the streets to demonstrate for us. Also the Pashtun and Balochi soldiers in East Pakistan who refused to kill Bengalis, with some even joining our side. I personally read an account of an ex-Khudai Khimatgar who used to work in East Pakistan and when the war happened, joined our side. It was on an article in the Daily Star (Dhaka newspaper) a few years ago.

                  The War Inquiry Commission was appointed by the President of Pakistan in December 1971. In its secret report, never made public in Pakistan the commission, headed by then Chief Justice of Pakistan, Hamoodur Rahman, held widespread atrocities, other abuses of power by Pakistani generals and a complete failure in civilian and martial-law leadership responsible for the loss of East Pakistan. The report dwells on a range of sins: killing of thousands of Bangladeshis—both civilians and “Bengali” soldiers—rape, pan smuggling, looting of banks in East Pakistan, drunkenness by officers, even an instance of a Brigadier “entertaining” women while his troops were being shelled by Indian troops. It recommended a string of court-martials and trials against top officers . Nothing ever happened. The army’s role in splintering Pakistan after its greatest military debacle was largely ignored by successive Pakistani governments.
                  http://www.bangla2000.com/bangladesh...n/default.shtm

                  Pakistani, grandson of a military assistant to geneal Gul Hasan, a senior Pakistani commander in 1971:

                  I even read in some Book ( Can't remember the name - I think it was written by some colonel or maybe it was Hamodur-Rehman Comission) Anyhow General Niazi was enjoying oral services of some bengali women in bunker when Indians were attacking us and General Niazi was also running a prostitution ring - Transferring girls from EP to WP).
                  Post 39: http://www.defence.pk/forums/banglad...chlight-3.html



                  Niazi, accused of war crimes and prostitution during 1971 war.

                  Pakistani moderator, post 40:

                  and yahya khan was reportedly romping with "madam"...
                  If it doesnt make your blood boil with anger... n tears at those who were led by such pigs.. nay.. pigs is too good a word for them.
                  Pakistani poster, post 42:

                  Yeah the President House visitor log was filled with entries by Noor Jahan (Log was Published in Commission).What i fail to understand what the proud core commanders were doing.They could have done something...

                  There is another chapter on Yahya where it is mentioned that just after loss of East Pakistan Shah of Iran visited Pakistan and Yahya almost broke protocol because when Shah arrived at Presidential Building Yahya was half drunk and having sex with some lady but he managed to finish quickly and meet Shah.
                  Indian poster, post 44:

                  Yahya khan seems amazingly debouch to be the head of the army of Islamic republic of Pakistan .

                  He used to have nude parties where men and women used to undress and engage in orgies . Hard to believe
                  Pakistani moderator response, post 45:

                  Sends shivers down the spine of Pakistani's that know.. and perhaps some Indians as well.
                  If they figured out what other delusional folks were leading Pakistan when we got the nukes.


                  Yahya Khan with Noor Jahan





                  So the top head of the military junta that illegally blocked the man chosen by the people of Pakistan to be their leader, Mujib, and carried out an illegal military operation far bloodier than Gaddafi's massacres or Bashar Assad's killings, was a pervert and drunkard and it went downwards.

                  At the end of the day the Pakistani army were defeated and totally humiliated, a humiliation which still boils their blood today and that of their evil supporters.

                  Pakistan has not moved on, it is still a country where only just a few days ago in the holy month of Ramadan, Pakistanis were killing other Pakistanis, chopping their bodies up and putting them in to bags.

                  One week of the latest round of violence, leaving over a hundred dead. Videos doing the rounds of the net, if believed, show a level of bestiality that is shocking. People are being tortured, sexually humiliated and abused, and probably later killed. The gunny bags and chopped up bodies have reappeared.
                  Rwanda? No. It’s Karachi, the financial hub and largest city of Pakistan.
                  http://tribune.com.pk/story/238525/p...ance-of-death/


                  But the truth is that this one day (Eid) will not change the ground realities of divisions among us; will not make friends of those who torture and cut up people to stuff their bodies in bags and their victims.
                  http://tribune.com.pk/story/242670/e...ifficult-days/

                  He (a Pakhtun) said that he decided to say goodbye to Karachi and shift his family to Peshawar for its protection. He added that two youths in his neighbourhood — one belonged to Swat and the other to Buner — were shot dead when they were on way to home for Iftari but police did not arrest the killers.
                  “Those, who wear shalwar qamees are shot dead at sight,” he alleged. He said most of the people wanted to return to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa but they had no source of income in their villages.
                  Awami National Party Sindh president Shahi Syed, when contacted, also expressed grave concern over the situation. He said that maximum of the Pakhtuns, who suffered, belonged to Balochistan as they had hotels, restaurants, hardware shops, tea stalls in the localities of the Urdu speaking people.
                  “People are kidnapped and their drilled bodies stuffed in bags are dumped in open plots or in drains but law enforcement agencies are yet to arrest the killers,” he lamented.
                  http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/29/feeli...g-karachi.html
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                  • #39
                    Bengal bro frm behalf of Pakistan sorry ...........we accept wht we did with Bangal....
                    تار تار پروت دی چا راټول نه کړو سائله
                    د پښتون وطن ګرېوان د لېوني دی

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                      It's nice to see some people defend Pakistani army for things they did do and instead accuse groups such as Khad for things they haven't even done.
                      haga prag mung khu da Bangal sra wakral...


                      ta da chay wakral da ta ba sok partog jora wi ?



                      ?? ?? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?????
                      تار تار پروت دی چا راټول نه کړو سائله
                      د پښتون وطن ګرېوان د لېوني دی

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                      • #41
                        I am ashamed of this chapter of pakistan's history. Racism against bengalis for two decades and then their killings in 1971 cost us losing half of pakistan.
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                        • #42
                          ^ history is history, but even today most of pakistan has the same mentality against bengalis and others. I know some people in military or associated with the army, they still talk about bengalies as if they are some kind of animals. Well today Bangladesh is going ahead of pakistan in almost every field, thanks to our stupid army and backwards mentality. Allah punishes people for a reason, and i think more punishments are on their way for Pakistan because people are not changing their way of thinking

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