Has The Situation Of Afghans Changed For The Better After "American Liberation"?

[Maiwand]

Has The Situation Of Afghans Changed For The Better After "American Liberation"?

[Pakhtun_Policy]

This is why we Pakhtuns need to have our own country. Enemies from all sides are tearing down our nation. If we had our own nation without being divided on bot sides of a ficticiouc border , then no one will ever look with dirty eyes upon us..

[Maiwand]

This is why we Pakhtuns need to have our own country. Enemies from all sides are tearing down our nation. If we had our own nation without being divided on bot sides of a ficticiouc border , then no one will ever look with dirty eyes upon us..

That's why you have to support the resistance inside Afghansitan and Pakistan. Only then will you achieve your independence, sovereighnty and you will become united. It is not possible through democratic means, history proves that.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

That's why you have to support the resistance inside Afghansitan and Pakistan. Only then will you achieve your independence, sovereighnty and you will become united. It is not possible through democratic means, history proves that.

I fully agree with you that we Pakhtuns should unite on both sides of border but the fact is that many Pakhtuns living on "paki" side have become "pakis". they have forgotten their roots..They are the ones who needs to be awakened so that we can mobilize and break free an unite with Afghanistan.

[Badlun]

Obviously it has not.

Ever since Americans have arrived prostitution has raised by 200 percent.

Who are the prostitutes............americans or afghans,,,,,,,,do americans compel afghans to go for prostitution..........

After the liberation of America now the terrorists Taliban no more rule over the main cities ,,they might have few pockets of power and terrorists tactics at their disposal but Afghan society is no more ruled by those barbaric savages
now a democratically elected president with parliament and ministers is ruling the country
there is freedom everywhere , modern education, development , roads construction, women participation in public an dcommunity affairs
economy is growing
Afghan currency is now very strong
jobs opportubies are there
what else we want...........

[khushal]

That's why you have to support the resistance inside Afghansitan and Pakistan. Only then will you achieve your independence, sovereighnty and you will become united. It is not possible through democratic means, history proves that.

Maiwand,
Your policies are in the interests of Wahabi Arabs that have no tolerence for no one but there extreme ways. There is absolutly no rational for their beleifs. Those resistance you speak of are not the for the interests of Afghans or anybody in the region, but only for Arabs that spread hate between people. What good have come from wahabi beleifs, only killing and suffering of people. You have been brainwashed by them.

The Pakistani pashtoons are too educated to fall for these extreme beleifs and the afghan pashtuns wont leave their pashtunwali for anything, your policies will divide the people even more and will only bring more destruction and more killing for some fantasy dream of the arabs. Be a man and tell the munafiqueen arabs to go to their own homeland and cause destruction and fitna over there. Leave the pashtun land alone.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Maiwand,
Your policies are in the interests of Wahabi Arabs that have no tolerence for no one but there extreme ways. There is absolutly no rational for their beleifs. Those resistance you speak of are not the for the interests of Afghans or anybody in the region, but only for Arabs that spread hate between people. What good have come from wahabi beleifs, only killing and suffering of people. You have been brainwashed by them.

The Pakistani pashtoons are too educated to fall for these extreme beleifs and the afghan pashtuns wont leave their pashtunwali for anything, your policies will divide the people even more and will only bring more destruction and more killing for some fantasy dream of the arabs. Be a man and tell the munafiqueen arabs to go to their own homeland and cause destruction and fitna over there. Leave the pashtun land alone.

The end of wahabism is very near. Imam Al Mahdi and his army ( Pakhtuns) will slaughter them in such a way that history never ever has witnessed. Here is the Hadith proof:

The Largest Killing of Arabs (wahabis) in History by the Hand of Mahdi's Army,THE KILLING OF ARABS(wahabis) IS DUE TO THE ATTACK ON IMAM MAHDI

Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456

Now who is the custodian of Kabah today ? Its is the Wahabis ,the wahabi imams are controlling the Makkah Sharif.

Look at this other Hadith:

Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah Bin Masood(raddi Allah anho) that Dear Propher (salallaho alayhay wa sallam) said: A Nation will come from the East with Black Flags and they will ask for some “Khair” (because of them being needy) but the people will not give them,then,they will fight and win over those people(who didn’t give them what they asked).Now the people will give them what they asked for but they will not accept it untill they will hand it over to a person from my progeny who will fill this earth with Justice just as it was previoulsy filled with opression and tyranny .So if anyone of you find this Nation( i. e from the East with black flags) then you must joing them even if you have to crawl over ice.*4*4 Reference Al-Asha-ah الآﺸﺍﻋﺔ Page 240.


SubhanAllah. How true the Hadith is. We the Pakhtun people (the Talibans of Afghanistan was asking for Shariah(this is Khayr for us) ) are asking for Khayr in Afghanistan and Pakistan ,but no one is giving it to us and we are beeing murdered. Therefore Pakhtuns have awaken and are fighting fiercely on all fronts against their enemies(kuffars and pakis)

And for the past 9 years in Afghanistan they have beeing defeating the kuffars ,and pakis in Waziristan. Now the Kuffars are asking for peace deals with Taliban in Afghanistan but Talibans dont want it. See how this Hadith is related to the great Pakhtun nations struggle for justice?

[Maiwand]

The end of wahabism is very near. Imam Al Mahdi and his army ( Pakhtuns) will slaughter them in such a way that history never ever has witnessed. Here is the Hadith proof:

The Largest Killing of Arabs (wahabis) in History by the Hand of Mahdi's Army,THE KILLING OF ARABS(wahabis) IS DUE TO THE ATTACK ON IMAM MAHDI

Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456

Now who is the custodian of Kabah today ? Its is the Wahabis ,the wahabi imams are controlling the Makkah Sharif.

Look at this other Hadith:

Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah Bin Masood(raddi Allah anho) that Dear Propher (salallaho alayhay wa sallam) said: A Nation will come from the East with Black Flags and they will ask for some “Khair” (because of them being needy) but the people will not give them,then,they will fight and win over those people(who didn’t give them what they asked).Now the people will give them what they asked for but they will not accept it untill they will hand it over to a person from my progeny who will fill this earth with Justice just as it was previoulsy filled with opression and tyranny .So if anyone of you find this Nation( i. e from the East with black flags) then you must joing them even if you have to crawl over ice.*4*4 Reference Al-Asha-ah الآﺸﺍﻋﺔ Page 240.


SubhanAllah. How true the Hadith is. We the Pakhtun people (the Talibans of Afghanistan was asking for Shariah(this is Khayr for us) ) are asking for Khayr in Afghanistan and Pakistan ,but no one is giving it to us and we are beeing murdered. Therefore Pakhtuns have awaken and are fighting fiercely on all fronts against their enemies(kuffars and pakis)

And for the past 9 years in Afghanistan they have beeing defeating the kuffars ,and pakis in Waziristan. Now the Kuffars are asking for peace deals with Taliban in Afghanistan but Talibans dont want it. See how this Hadith is related to the great Pakhtun nations struggle for justice?

ahaha, is it then not a bit contradictory when most of you call the Taliban Wahabi's and ISI agents? Don't you see how selective you guys are?
But I agree with the rest of your points, the Saudi Wahabi State is indeed non-Islamic, they are apostates, just like every other "muslim state". Only the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is islamic. And those regimes will be topled one after the other from khorasaan, inshallah.

This is also an interesting book about this subject, written by my favorite scholar Imran Hosein (he is a good sufi, ahha):

THE CALIPHATE THE HEJAZ AND THE SAUDI-WAHHABI NATION-STATE

[Pakhtun_Policy]

ahaha, is it then not a bit contradictory when most of you call the Taliban Wahabi's and ISI agents? Don't you see how selective you guys are?

I have never called Talibans for wahabis. In fact let me emphasize. I differntiate between the Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban. In regards to Afghan Talibans there is solid proof out there that says that they are BARELWI SUFIS, as this Sohbet of Shayk Hisham Kabbani who is Khalifa of Sufi Shayk Nazim of Turkey once invited Taliban member from Afghanistan to join in on his zikr session.And this Taliban member was give oppurtunity to speak.Here is transcript from that zikr session:

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hottak, Minister of Culture for Afghani government representative: (through translator)

Bismillahir Rahman ir Rahim, Allahumma Salli 'ala Rasulina Karim, wa ma ba'd. Alhamdulillah. Abdur-Rahman (the Afghani government representative) wants to say that Alhamdulillah he is very happy and very honored to be in such a gathering, and happy that Allah has given him such an opportunity to be in such a gathering of zikr of Allah (swt).
Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan we whole-heartedly agree and have always agreed with everything Shaykh Hisham said about Islam and Shari'ah and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a. Always, from earlier times until today, we have accepted this in Afghanistan, and will always follow that way.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah after 20 years of war, 20 years of fighting, 20 years of jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians and against the communist regime in Afghanistan, today we see a government in Afghanistan that is a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, of Prophet Muhammad (s), and of the Naqshbandi-Mojadidi Sufi Tariqat.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: What is the influence of the Wahhabis in Afghanistan?

Afghani Representative:

As far as the Wahhabi and Salafi movement is concerned, as far as being weak, they are not weak, because there are none. You can't be strong or weak if you're nothing. And as I said before, we're following the Hanafi Madhhab and we're all following tasawwuf, and these forms of fiqh, as far as the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and these four madhhabs. But prior to this government, there was Wahhabi influence in Afghanistan, and there were leaders who were being aided strongly by Saudi Arabia, General Rahman (?) and his political party, however they have no following now.
The majority of them through faith were not Wahhabi, but economically they were Wahhabi.

(laughter from everybody.)

They were Wahhabi because of the money coming to them and stuff like that, but deep down inside, they still hadn't changed, except for their pocketbooks.

Afghanistan for a long time was following one form of fiqh, Alhamdulillah. On the Day of Judgment may Allah guide us to follow that same path or that same way, and insha`Allah we'll never change, or have any tolerance for any other madhhab to come to Afghanistan.

http://www.sunnah.org/audio/khutba/sohbat.html


Further more one should wathc this video of Sufi Shayk Hazrat Abobaker Mojadidi who is a BARELWI Sufi from Afganistan.In the video made by his followers the Talibans in Afghanistan are clearly mentioned in the introduction to be his students.Thus proving Talibans of Afghanistan to be BARELWIS:





There is an exclusive Aljazeera report on the following link wich one need to download "REAL PLAYER" for that Talibans are of Naqshbandi Mujaddadia silsila, and in it there is clip of them reciting Naats wich wahabis never do:

http://alsoufia.com/video/afgan.rm


Further more if you come to Afghanistan and see the house of Mullah Omar you will find that on the walls inside the house there are written :
" YA Ghausal Azam".Deobandis and Wahabis do not belive in chanting such slogans,this is the trait of BARELWI SUFIS.

The Talibans of Pakistan are also majority Barelwis,though there are some deobandi elements. Waziristan is hub of Sufis. Remember Haji Mirza Ali Khan who was also called IPPI FAQIR. He was a SUfi of Barelwi shcool.

There is also statistics of Pakistan goverment that shows that 90 % of the Masjids in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are BARELWIS. So Majority of Pakhtuns in Pakistan are BARELWIS ( Sufis):




Now some of you might say that Talibans have studied in Darul Ulom Deoband in Akhora Khattak.So what its just an university for studying Quran,Hadith and fiqh. By studying in the university doesnt mean you become "deobandi" automatically. Many muslims who live in Europe study in christian schools ,does that make them "christians" for studying there?

[Maiwand]

I have never called Talibans for wahabis. In fact let me emphasize. I differntiate between the Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban. In regards to Afghan Talibans there is solid proof out there that says that they are BARELWI SUFIS, as this Sohbet of Shayk Hisham Kabbani who is Khalifa of Sufi Shayk Nazim of Turkey once invited Taliban member from Afghanistan to join in on his zikr session.And this Taliban member was give oppurtunity to speak.Here is transcript from that zikr session:

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hottak, Minister of Culture for Afghani government representative: (through translator)

Bismillahir Rahman ir Rahim, Allahumma Salli 'ala Rasulina Karim, wa ma ba'd. Alhamdulillah. Abdur-Rahman (the Afghani government representative) wants to say that Alhamdulillah he is very happy and very honored to be in such a gathering, and happy that Allah has given him such an opportunity to be in such a gathering of zikr of Allah (swt).
Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan we whole-heartedly agree and have always agreed with everything Shaykh Hisham said about Islam and Shari'ah and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a. Always, from earlier times until today, we have accepted this in Afghanistan, and will always follow that way.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah after 20 years of war, 20 years of fighting, 20 years of jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians and against the communist regime in Afghanistan, today we see a government in Afghanistan that is a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, of Prophet Muhammad (s), and of the Naqshbandi-Mojadidi Sufi Tariqat.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: What is the influence of the Wahhabis in Afghanistan?

Afghani Representative:

As far as the Wahhabi and Salafi movement is concerned, as far as being weak, they are not weak, because there are none. You can't be strong or weak if you're nothing. And as I said before, we're following the Hanafi Madhhab and we're all following tasawwuf, and these forms of fiqh, as far as the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and these four madhhabs. But prior to this government, there was Wahhabi influence in Afghanistan, and there were leaders who were being aided strongly by Saudi Arabia, General Rahman (?) and his political party, however they have no following now.
The majority of them through faith were not Wahhabi, but economically they were Wahhabi.

(laughter from everybody.)

They were Wahhabi because of the money coming to them and stuff like that, but deep down inside, they still hadn't changed, except for their pocketbooks.

Afghanistan for a long time was following one form of fiqh, Alhamdulillah. On the Day of Judgment may Allah guide us to follow that same path or that same way, and insha`Allah we'll never change, or have any tolerance for any other madhhab to come to Afghanistan.

http://www.sunnah.org/audio/khutba/sohbat.html


Further more one should wathc this video of Sufi Shayk Hazrat Abobaker Mojadidi who is a BARELWI Sufi from Afganistan.In the video made by his followers the Talibans in Afghanistan are clearly mentioned in the introduction to be his students.Thus proving Talibans of Afghanistan to be BARELWIS:





There is an exclusive Aljazeera report on the following link wich one need to download "REAL PLAYER" for that Talibans are of Naqshbandi Mujaddadia silsila, and in it there is clip of them reciting Naats wich wahabis never do:

http://alsoufia.com/video/afgan.rm


Further more if you come to Afghanistan and see the house of Mullah Omar you will find that on the walls inside the house there are written :
" YA Ghausal Azam".Deobandis and Wahabis do not belive in chanting such slogans,this is the trait of BARELWI SUFIS.

The Talibans of Pakistan are also majority Barelwis,though there are some deobandi elements. Waziristan is hub of Sufis. Remember Haji Mirza Ali Khan who was also called IPPI FAQIR. He was a SUfi of Barelwi shcool.

There is also statistics of Pakistan goverment that shows that 90 % of the Masjids in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are BARELWIS. So Majority of Pakhtuns in Pakistan are BARELWIS ( Sufis):




Now some of you might say that Talibans have studied in Darul Ulom Deoband in Akhora Khattak.So what its just an university for studying Quran,Hadith and fiqh. By studying in the university doesnt mean you become "deobandi" automatically. Many muslims who live in Europe study in christian schools ,does that make them "christians" for studying there?

I don't believe this. If this was the case, if the majority of the taliban were sufi's, they would probably be dancin and singing somewhere in the past 9 years and they wouldn't be fighting and doing jihad and killing and getting killed. This is utter nonsense. Sufi's are the most passive people on earth, that's why they are promoted by the west and america, to make muslims subversive and passive.

[khushal]

I don't believe this. If this was the case, if the majority of the taliban were sufi's, they would probably be dancin and singing somewhere in the past 9 years and they wouldn't be fighting and doing jihad and killing and getting killed. This is utter nonsense. Sufi's are the most passive people on earth, that's why they are promoted by the west and america, to make muslims subversive and passive.

Maiwand,
Even if you convert the afghans into a bunch of ghandi hindus, they will still fight, because it is the pashtunwali that makes them fight. They fought long before Islam came to the region. You think your wahabi beleifs is what makes them fight, then why did the wahabis begged the americans to save them from saddam.

[Maiwand]

Maiwand,
Even if you convert the afghans into a bunch of ghandi hindus, they will still fight, because it is the pashtunwali that makes them fight. They fought long before Islam came to the region. You think your wahabi beleifs is what makes them fight, then why did the wahabis begged the americans to save them from saddam.

It's not the wahhabi beliefs that makes them fight. It is true Islam as brought by the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) that makes them fight. It is the true teachings of the Quran and the way the prophet (pbuh) practiced them in his life, that makes them fight. They are taking the prophet (pbuh) and his armed struggle against the polytheists, jews, munafiqs (hypocritites), fire worshippers, Romans, as an example and that's why they fight the way he fought against injustice, tyranni, oppression, disbelievers and apostacy, immorality, corruption, greed, godlessness, materialism etc.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I don't believe this. If this was the case, if the majority of the taliban were sufi's, they would probably be dancin and singing somewhere in the past 9 years and they wouldn't be fighting and doing jihad and killing and getting killed. This is utter nonsense. Sufi's are the most passive people on earth, that's why they are promoted by the west and america, to make muslims subversive and passive.

You dont need to belive a thing. Just take a trip to Kandahar and ask the people there and also go to the house of Mullah Omar and look at the writings on it. And every Sufi is not dancing and singing. Every Sufi Tariqat has its rule and methods of doing Zikr.All Sufi Tariqats dont have dancing and singing.

There used to be a video on the net from Milad Sharif conference in 2002 in Pakistan where the Taliban governor of Kandahar was invited in front of 50 Ulema from around the world,where he clearly uttered that the whole of Afghanistanh including Talibans are on Maslake Imam Ahmed Razak Khan Barelwi (R.A)


By the way you must be delusional to think that Sufis never fight. In every Jihad the Sufis are the fighting force behind Jihad. Here I give you facts that you can read about how ferocious SUfi fighters are throughout the history:

Sufi Muslims: for centuries the most ferocious soldiers of Islam


Naqshbandi army in Iraq:

[Fahd]

Now some of you might say that Talibans have studied in Darul Ulom Deoband in Akhora Khattak.So what its just an university for studying Quran,Hadith and fiqh. By studying in the university doesnt mean you become "deobandi" automatically. Many muslims who live in Europe study in christian schools ,does that make them "christians" for studying there?

i can't read all this theard and all of ur posts
because im not good in english and im sooo tierd
but i can tell one thing bro
u think of what u said in wrong way
u said quran , hadith,figh for what taliban study that's mean they are deobandi student
did this christian schools make u study christian books !!
no
hummm isn't clear !!

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Maiwand, another point that youshould ponder over is the famili history of Mullah Omar. Did you know that Mullah Omars father name was Maulwai Ghulam Nabi. ?

No Deobandi or wahabi will ever take the name "Ghulam Nabi" (Slave of Prophet) ,because they concider this to be shirk, because they say that you are only SLAVE OF ALLAH. This name of the father of Mullah Omar is another proof that he belonged to a BARELWI family ,because BARELWIS have nothing against using such names.We dont concider this to be shirk.
Here you can read comprehensive biography of Mullah Omar:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19237036/P...of-Mullah-Umar


Further more the Tasawwuf Shayks from Afghanistan says clearly in this interview that majority of Talibans are Sufis of Qadriya and Naqshbandi Tariqat,and so is Mullah Omar a Sufi from Naqshbandiya Tariqat:

"...Gilani says that Taliban leader Mullah Omar was himself raised as a Sufi before later embracing the more severe Wahhabi-inspired Islam followed by the Taliban. However, some experts dispute that claim(that he has become wahabi is false belief)

...One prominent Taliban figure, Abdul Hakim Mujahed, a former Taliban representative in New York, says it's worth trying. He says that the Taliban "consists of people from various backgrounds," and that while some "oppose" Sufis, others have "great respect" for them and are even followers."

http://www.rferl.org/content/Can_Suf...n/1503303.html


Either way you look at it you can not escape the fact that Talibans of Afghanistan are BARELWIS following Tasawwuf. The evidence is very clear.