Taliban Regime

[Marwat]

Now after 10 years of seeing what the west has done to Afghanistan.

I miss the Taliban regime, Aids are now spreading throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan (From these imported women)

Yes they were not perfect, but lets see be honest.


Poppy cultivation was at all time low.
corruption was at a all time low. If you stole, you faced consequences.
There was law and order

I traveled to Kandahar from Lakki marwat in the Taliban regime, I was so darn impressed people had hundreds of thousands on the floor (money exchange) they would put their cloth over it and go to pray and no one had the guts to take it.

Now, leave 5 Afghanis on the floor and you will get shot.

Education was much better back then compared to know, all schools have now been burnt. Many Islamic scholars in the west even admit some of the accompolishments of the Taliban the US are struggling to bring back.


Yes some Taliban had issues and problems, but not all. Kandahar being the birthplace of the Taliban and me visiting Kandahar and actually witnessing a lot of what I am talking about it self explanatory.


All I want is peace in my motherland, The USA destructed Afghanistan, they abused my Afghan brothers across the border and in my Pashtunkhwa, Afghans defended the honor of Afghanistan.


They took over Afghanistan at a time when it was already a mess and was working on developing it. Whatever you guys say, there Govt was much better then the present one.



Chime in.

[shinwari]

[Talal]

Im interested to see the views of people on this matter

[Marwat]

The real Taliban is different as compared to the one that the media propagates.


The USA is just mad at Taliban because


A)The Gas deal Taliban refused.

B)They did not hand over Osama because they wanted proof before they hand him over.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Some taliban elements may be good but however they all have the same objectives, burn afghanistan and make room for a Pakistani Army retreat incase India Attacks.

[imb706]

Well actually the Taliban descended from afghan warlords that lived off of heroin sales, and the Taliban mainly destroyed rivals poppy fields.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Well actually the Taliban descended from afghan warlords that lived off of heroin sales, and the Taliban mainly destroyed rivals poppy fields.

Maulavi Nabi Muhammadi's movement and Maulavi Yunus Khalis were never labeled as warlords. Neither did the aforementioned ever ingage in the type of activity the warlords did.

You are mixing things up. Warlords and drug- cartels are the northern alliance. Taliban were a movement of people opposing them.

You should read a book by the name: Ghost Wars by steve Cole. And Afghanistan: genesis to final crusade by abidullah jan. Both books will reveal the course of events from an angle not known by the people in the West.

[imb706]

Well for a long time, many prominent confederate guerrillas and land owners weren't labeled as warlords, but they are now. They also survived off of drug profits (cotton too) that had to be eliminated to remove them. It's essentially the same thing.

Taliban were a movement of people opposing them.

Well, actually the Mujahadeen descend from warlords that also happened to be in the Northern Alliance. Here's an article about it: http://michaelparenti.org/afghanista...%20untold.html It's an age old story. Usually these groups disappear as their main source of profit is destroyed, but well, the US was able to keep them alive.

[imb706]

Okay, it's always good to learn something new.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Well for a long time, many prominent confederate guerrillas and land owners weren't labeled as warlords, but they are now. They also survived off of drug profits (cotton too) that had to be eliminated to remove them. It's essentially the same thing. Well, actually the Mujahadeen descend from warlords that also happened to be in the Northern Alliance. Here's an article about it: http://michaelparenti.org/afghanista...%20untold.html It's an age old story. Usually these groups disappear as their main source of profit is destroyed, but well, the US was able to keep them alive.

The article is written by a man who has a selective perception of history.
The root causes of various factions and movements bidding for power and dominance in Afghanistan have a much more complex nature.

Before the Russian invasion, Afghanistan was divided by two main groups. The religious ideologues inspired by Muslim Brotherhood who opposed the monarchy. And the liberal socialist movement inspired by Soviet Union.

Both parties were against the monarchy of Zahir Shah and his Sufi religious cronies.

When the liberal socialist helped Daud Khan to overthrow the kings regime and install a republic, the religious movements, both the Muslim Brotherhood and the Sufis allied themselves with Pakistan's Zia ul Haq and Saudis.

An Islamic rebellion started which eventually led to the communist revolition and the Russian invasion.

The main opponents of the Russian invasion and communist regime were the Muslim Brotherhood leaders of Hizb-e-Islami Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Maulavi Yunus Khalis. And a minor Nabi Muhammadi movement. In the north, the Muslim Brotherhood leader Burhanudin Rabbani lead the Jamyat Islami. And some other minor groups and factions sponsored by Iran and other foreign powers.

After the succesful rebellion, the Russians left Afghanistan. Many rebel fighters such as Yunus Khalis, Nabi Muhammadi and other minor figures quit fighting and withrew to their normal lives.

However, some zealots and opportunists engaged in to a civil war. Gulbudin Hekmatyar and Burhanudin Rabbani were the main actors in the civil war.

As a result chaos and anarchy fitting the description of Thomas Hobbes state of nature was the scenario in Afghanistan. Remnants of various factions, even former communists created their own groups and faught and killed hundreds of thousands of people. They are refered to as warlords

Some religious figures and fundamentalists who were unhappy and disappointed by the outcome of their rebellion against communists and Russian invasion decided to wipe out the remaining warring factions. The people who became victims of pillaging, rape and ongoing fight supported the uprise of fundamentalists. Within few years they successfully cleared 90% of Afghanistan of these warlords.

And today, the same fundamentalists and the same people are united against NATO and their puppets in Afghanistan.

Most Afghans in the south of Afghanistan support the Taliban. This is why Taliban never will cease to exist.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

If people support Taliban as you claim then where is the nationwide insurgency as we seen during the soviet time?

Also can you explain to me that why are your main leaders hiding under ISI protection in Karachi and other places in pakistan?

Also mr Sanger I really doublt any afghan wants taliban rule again, everybody remembers their accomplishments and laws, and no sane person wud support it unless they have some interest in it,

Do you think any Pashtun would wanna join a movement invented by Pakistani ISI Col imam??

You guys are ****-Slaves, you do not fight for Afghans nor work to stablise it.

[imb706]

The article is written by a man who has a selective perception of history

All views on history are selective, but history itself isn't. Michael Parenti is someone I read a lot, I don't agree with everything he says, but he seems spot on there.

Some religious figures and fundamentalists who were unhappy and disappointed by the outcome of their rebellion against communists and Russian invasion decided to wipe out the remaining warring factions. The people who became victims of pillaging, rape and ongoing fight supported the uprise of fundamentalists. Within few years they successfully cleared 90% of Afghanistan of these warlords.

Yeah, but all those holy tribesmen were warlords. They fought against rivals, just like in China, in the US, in Japan, etc you get the idea. The Nationalist Chinese certainly fought warlords, but many themselves were warlords. They certainly behaved in that manner.

[imb706]

The article is written by a man who has a selective perception of history

All views on history are selective, but history itself isn't. Michael Parenti is someone I read a lot, I don't agree with everything he says, but he seems spot on there.

Some religious figures and fundamentalists who were unhappy and disappointed by the outcome of their rebellion against communists and Russian invasion decided to wipe out the remaining warring factions. The people who became victims of pillaging, rape and ongoing fight supported the uprise of fundamentalists. Within few years they successfully cleared 90% of Afghanistan of these warlords.

Yeah, but all those holy tribesmen were warlords. They fought against rivals, just like in China, in the US, in Japan, etc you get the idea. The Nationalist Chinese certainly fought warlords, but many themselves were warlords. They certainly behaved in that manner.

[pir_Rokhan]

If people support Taliban as you claim then where is the nationwide insurgency as we seen during the soviet time?

Also can you explain to me that why are your main leaders hiding under ISI protection in Karachi and other places in pakistan?

Also mr Sanger I really doublt any afghan wants taliban rule again, everybody remembers their accomplishments and laws, and no sane person wud support it unless they have some interest in it,

Do you think any Pashtun would wanna join a movement invented by Pakistani ISI Col imam??

You guys are ****-Slaves, you do not fight for Afghans nor work to stablise it.

I am totally with you on this Maseed.Sangar ,your your so called Muslim brothers of ISI have ruined and destroyed Afghanistan with the help of Taliban.Do you want them again.Do you want Afghanistan to the fifth pprovince of Pakistan?? You got to answer this.The ummah fantasy goes wit the winf when it faces the conflicting national interests of states ,that is why there is NO such thing as ummah or brotherhood.These are all dreams of Arabs to dominate the world again.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I am totally with you on this Maseed.Sangar ,your your so called Muslim brothers of ISI have ruined and destroyed Afghanistan with the help of Taliban.Do you want them again.Do you want Afghanistan to the fifth pprovince of Pakistan?? You got to answer this.The ummah fantasy goes wit the winf when it faces the conflicting national interests of states ,that is why there is NO such thing as ummah or brotherhood.These are all dreams of Arabs to dominate the world again.

Trust me, i have seen more goodness from devou muslims than fascist pashtuns like you people here on pashtunforums.

Most of you are blinded by your fascism. The fact that for 20 years Afghanistan was ravaged by war and only achieved stability thanks to taliban is ignored by you fascists because taliban treated chchen, tajik and arab muslims like equals and brothers. And they banned pashto mujra and drug use in kandahar and kabul.

I am from Kabul. And we fled the civil war because of the dirty dogs and *******s like karzai and his northern alliance buddies.

It was thanks to taliban that our relatives lived in safety for a few years. After 20 years people returned to our village during taliban regime. It was safe to be in you own homeland. During taliban many afghans learned the habit of sleeping at night not fearing invasion by warlords and thieves.

For you fascists, it doesnt make any difference whether people live in dignity or not and whether your fellow muslims get to live life not fearing abuse and prosecution.

Today if you go to Kabul, you need 25.000$ to have a man arrested if he happens to be a killer who killed your son or father. Without the money, he will roam freely. And you might even get arrested yourself.

From our tribe many people lost their homes and land since the invasion of the kufaar. People are expelled from their homes, their property is taken from them and in worst cases, women andd children are held as captves for years like it happened to the Ahmadzai kochis in Takhar.

If you fascists ever felt the misery suffered by people in Afghanistan, you mght have understood why we oppose the americans and their murtad puppets like karzai.

All of you fascists have only seen war in pashtunkhwa after 2001. While in Afghanistan the war started two d