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Ive already said this before, but you fail to reply to it.Originally posted by Dust View Post
Its not a Muslim thing or a Islamic thing that people disagree. This is a human thing.
Islam teaches tolerance. That is the number one reason it spread so rapidly. Disagreement can be a good thing. disagreements between people can stimulate the mind and bring progress to humanity. It brings competition but it has to be implemented in a positive way.
There was a time when Baghdad was the center of learning before the Mongols destroyed it. Great thinkers and scholars came to baghdad to study, compete, and share their research and ideas. During that time Christiandom was intolerant of new ideas. They considered studying Aristotle and Socrates as blasphemious and against the laws of God. Christian Scholars came to Baghdad to study and share their thoughts freely with peers that were Muslim, jewish, hindu and other scholars of other faiths.
It was the hindus that developed the arabic numeral system that the whole world uses today. But they developed it in Baghdad because the environment existed where people could share ideas freely. They could have not developed it in India where their was no tolerance or in Christian Europe where there was no tolerance.
Christian Europe use to burn people to death that talked about astonomy, laws of physics. America and western europe today are the centers of inovation and research.
Today I see very little tolerance in muslim societies. The intolerance is not just from muslims in those societies but from jews, christians, hindus and atheists. The environment in these societies is of no tolerence because of the way they are ruled by their regimes just like the way europe was in the dark ages.
There is no freedom to express opinion and Im not just talking about atheists like Baygram expressing their opinion, Im talking about muslims that just want to pray in a mosque dont have the right to express their opinion. In some muslims countries, the authorities question, arrest and torture when you pray in a mosque five times a day or when you read the quaran too much. They basically dont have the right to practice their religion because the regimes fear them.
In this environment where you dont have freedom of expression, there is no other alternative but to rebel, and if a human being can not find a way to rebel peacefully, then they rebel violently, and this is what we are seeing today in the middle east especially in the arab countries. The authorotarian regimes in these countries are so harsh on them that people go to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries organize, plan and to violently rebel against those governments and their supporters, the people turn to extemists ideology and become bent on overthrowing these regimes by any means neccesary. These regimes were created by the British and the French, Just want to point that out.
Once upon a time afghansitan was peaceful, When reform in the country was going slow, the government became inpatient. The communists did not have any tolerence for the villagers to practice what they beleived. they went to the villages and started forcing women to take off their veils and forcing them to go to schools, ordering people not to pray too much. when the villagers rebelled, they in turn became intolerant to women that did not wear veils or went to schools, or men having no beards or not praying in mosques and so on and so on. I heard a story of a villager telling a communist government soldier "you dare force us to become like you, Im going to force you to become like us," right before a bullet went into the soldier's head. The soldier was forced into the army.
My point being intolerance begets intolerence.
It is very important to know that extremism and intolerence flourishes in certain environments and we must study how that environment was created, only then we can learn how to fix it.
You fail to realize that its not Islam that creates problems, it is people and if people dont adhere to the message, advise them not to shoot the messanger. So I am advising you dont shoot Islam, it is just a message of peace and tolerance.Comment
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I read this post of yours. It is a copy and paste from another thread.
This post does not explain anything. Why does Islam teach to kill apostates? Is this tolerance? Food for thought.Comment
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These people you see on the videos, they are just people looking after their own interests, making money and gaining power. they attack Malalia they view her as a threat to their interests. The same way they attack the taliban, because they are also a threat to their interests of making money. They will attck anyone who they view as a threat to their money making schemes.Comment
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What do they use? The Quran? Correct me if I am wrong.Comment
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It explains alot but you refuse to deal with it because you are afraid of the truth. The quaran does not say anything about killing apostates. If it does show it to me.Originally posted by Dust View PostComment
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I am the last person to not face the truth. Please don't insult my intelligence. If Quran does not teach it then where do you get this idea from?Comment
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They will use anything they have at their disposal, they will use the quaran by manupulating it to get support from the people, they will use democracy by trying to legitimaize themselves by saying the people chose them as their leaders, they will use guns to threaten and kill anyone all for the sake of greed and money.Originally posted by Dust View PostComment
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I told you before their are scholars that say it is Ok in certain circumstances and then their are scholars that say it is a persons choice to leave the religion or not. It is just a matter of opinion. Attack the person with the opinion you disagree with, but dont make Islam into something it is not, because then you are as guilty of hijacking the religion as the one that use violent to get their way like these people you see on the video.Originally posted by Dust View PostComment
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My friend, be careful. People will kill you for saying that you should not kill apostates. You have not answered my question where they get this idea from, then?
My friend, just look around yourself in this forum. No two different sects are tolerant towards each other. The loudest one is able to get the most support or create silence.
The Muslims, whether on this forum, or in real life, never stand up for the innocent. Never.Comment
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Dust, killing apostates is not an Islamic injunction. You will never find one single verse in the Quran encouraging the killing of apostates. I believe the idea stems from ahadith. However, I firmly believe that those ahadith were manufactured. They are not the words of our Prophet (saw).Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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What makes you so certain?Comment
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People have free will, they can kill me if they want. It doesnt matter where they get the idea from, they did not get it from the Quaran. Like I said before during the dark ages European christians used to kill apostates also and they didnt get it from the bible, because it does not say it in the bible. It does not matter where they get it from. My point is they say thing like that for self interest. You are accusing an innocent religion, basically you are lynching the religion with no evidence.Originally posted by Dust View PostComment
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The ahadith cannot contradict the Quran. Period. In the Quran, there are verses that talk about people leaving and coming back to Islam and then leaving again, and so on. At the end, it mentions that their case would be with Allah.Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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