Pakistan and Afghanistan must become one country

[Son of Mountains]

as long as we pashtuns get to learn our history and Culture, I don't care, In Pakistan that is not possible wrora, I hope you understand, Pashto is dieing in Pakistan, Pakistan is not a pashtun country.

Joke of the day:
Afghanistan is a Pashtun country

[tor_khan]

MODERATOR NOTE:

Gentlemen. It's Eid. Give it a break.

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Joke of the day:
Afghanistan is a Pashtun country

Wrora I would request you leave the jokes for the entertainment and hujra section...kho if you could kindly answer my questions. Manana

[Son of Mountains]

P.S. SOM peera tell me what are the drawbacks of Pashtunkhwa joining Afghanistan. You know give me some logical political, economic pointers as to why?

Political: Ur afghanistan is a country of farsibaans, not pashtuns. Leave ur loy afghanistan concept and adopt pashtunistan's struggle...if u really wanna serve pashtun people...plus this is the concept acceptable to the pashtuns of KPK
Economical: Just ask this point to any person from Peshawar (even if he is an ignorant taxi driver) and ammuse ur sense of hairing from the answer. I also got that answer, but if i post....lol....may be reported. And i dont wanna break the forum rules

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Political: Ur afghanistan is a country of farsibaans, not pashtuns. Leave ur loy afghanistan concept and adopt pashtunistan's struggle...if u really wanna serve pashtun people...plus this is the concept acceptable to the pashtuns of KPK
Economical: Just ask this point to any person from Peshawar (even if he is an ignorant taxi driver) and ammuse ur sense of hairing from the answer. I also got that answer, but if i post....lol....may be reported. And i dont wanna break the forum rules

hmmm..you do know that Northern Afghanistan has a substantial population of Pashtuns, with the major cities over there with major Pashtun population? Second of all, Afghanistan concept is stuck with Pashtunistan...all your Pashtunistan idea is is Afghanistan without the North.

Ok so let me see your primary economic reason is a taxi driver. Good job peera, now I am convinced...since the entire world and logical people base their opinion on one individual. I have nothing against a taxi driver, or taxi drivers, I am sure they have their reasons. However you can do better than that.
Pm me the answer then :-)

BTW in Peshawar major trade runs right from Afghanistan and central Asia. Jalalabad is economically and culturally tied to Peshawar..isn't it so? Quetta with Kandahar and so on so forth. Lets not forget that our joint mineral resources, water, and strategic trade location makes us our union very economically sound.

[Darweshkhel]

Political: Ur afghanistan is a country of farsibaans, not pashtuns. Leave ur loy afghanistan concept and adopt pashtunistan's struggle...if u really wanna serve pashtun people...plus this is the concept acceptable to the pashtuns of KPK

Economical: Just ask this point to any person from Peshawar (even if he is an ignorant taxi driver) and ammuse ur sense of hairing from the answer. I also got that answer, but if i post....lol....may be reported. And i dont wanna break the forum rules

political: in the last 300 years of modern afghan history we witness many pashtun rulers and leaders who have looted their own country, betrayed their own people and served foreign powers. what is the benefit of having a leader hiding behind his pashtun name while the whole nation sees no progress. how many pashtuns leaders have sold their pashtunwala for $$$ joining sides with the enemy. how many pashtun rulers and leaders switched their sides during political instability just to avoid to find himself aside the weak.
and how many pashtuns have worked against their own people, harming their own nation.

i would be glad to see a brave strong and wise pashtun ruler but unfortunately afghan political environment is polluted and in this dirty game you wont find a strong pashtun heart who has the strength and conscience to take a fragmented society out this misery. therefore stop seeking the next ahmad shah baba, mirwais nika or khushal baba. these kinda pashtuns were excluded from world politics long time ago.
but I did travel around afg very recently I came back last week and afg is full of pashtuns. from north to south you can hear pashto language and see pashtun people they are all over afg. most are bilingual anyway.
however in these modern times of global politics we should care about creating a good government and support leaders who fight for equality, education, freedom, independence, development and political transparency. we must revitalize the traditions and customs that were left to us by our nikagaan and we must recognize all those who fell victim to these endless wars. there is no way we can ignore those who shed blood in this conflict defending their religion, home and family.
and there is no way we can erase our traditions and assimilate ourselves with people of former hindustan. they were the first muslim country that tried to break afghans neck and to make us bow down. our neighboring muslim country created major conflicts within pashtun society and did extremely harm by constantly interfering in our politics. generations have suffered. millions of pashtun refugees who were forced out of their villages were rejected by pakistani government. they were welcomed by their pashtun brothers living on the other side of the durrand line. pakistan has always supported pashtun seperation hoping to create a cleavage among pashtuns. they want us on our knees. but afghan pashtun never bow down to a paki.
we must return to our roots
and this is afghanyat, pashtunwala, pashto ao melma palena, azaday, deen, elm ao adab.
we must join hands and stand up against the enemy as a nation and we must join hands with all afghans uzbak hazara tajek because they are our brothers.

there is no way afg could join pakistan because the name of afghan was carried with pride by our nikagaan and it was the afghan mountains that gave birth to our fathers and mothers.

ustad gul pacha ulfat said once there were two brothers that lived side by side for their whole life. And one of them spoke pashto while the other one spoke dari.


tal de wee afghanistan
tal de wee waziristan

[khushal]

Yes Elected than and what happened than :O They did what they were elected for .. Why Quaid got votes :s

Don't bother yourself too much it's just a waste of time yes this is what WE always thought and that's why we are here ..

It is Pakistan who is still feeding millions of Afghan Refugees Aren't we .. Pakistan must be like a second home to you guys

first of all you shouldnt give Pee ghor to your brother for the sake of a panjabi
songa sharam khabara dai

Second it was the Pakistani leaders that you are defending who stole UN aid that was intended for afghan refugees. They stole food that was intended for the hungary.
songa sharam kar dai

When the british were deciding what to do about about India, when to transfer power and how to maintain control. They had to find a way to keep control. So they did what they had always done in the past, Divide and Rule.
The British feared that if they leave India intact, the muslims would eventually rule it because historically the muslims always ruled it. They were more fair to the people. The Hindus chaste system did not work, it was too unfair to the people.

The British also feared that this subcontinents large population (of 1.6billion today if it were intact) would be a huge capital market which has the potential to become an economic superpower in the future. They feared that a muslim superpower would be too dangerious. So they created Pakistan by fooling the muslims into beleiving that Pakistan was created to prevent the dominance of muslims by hindus. The present education system and the pakistani media teaches students and citizens this fabricated view. Most Pakistanis in the West have come to the conclusion that the partition was a mistake and it was mostly a British Idea inplanted in the Muslim Leagues leaders.

In reality Pakistan was created to weaken the muslims not strengthen them.
Pakistan is a failed corrupt state which has no future in its present form. Its only viable institution is its army. Everything else has collapsed. It was created under false pretense, anything created under false pretense is bound to fail. US Aid is the only resource preventing/postponing its total collapse.

It seems that the Panjabis and other Indians need the Pashtuns more than the Pashtuns need the Panjabis and Indians. The Tajics and other central asians need the Pashtuns more than the pashtuns need the tajics and other central asians. The Tajics and other central asians need access to the arabian sea to be economically viable, They can get it through the Pashtun areas, because their land goes all the way to the Arabian Sea. The Panjabis and other indians need access to central asian markets and central asian oil and other resources to be economincally viable. India can actually surpass China in economic power if they have that access. They can get it through the Pashtun areas.
They all need the pashtuns and only through our unity can we demand what is rightfully ours. When it comes to stratigic locations, The pashtun land is the Saudi Arabia of stratigic locations, thats why all former and present superpowers, the British, the Russians and the Americans have invaded.

[Azmal]

I guess for the betterment of Pakhtun Nation both Pakistan and Afghanistan need to work under the same federation whatever you may call let it be Pakistan or Afghanistan doesn't matter .. The name is not what I need .. I need a piece of bread and a house for my people to live happily and safely without the fear of getting killed and robbed!!

We need to Work For United Pak-Afghan Federation (country)

Your out of your head, for betterment of pashtons we need disassociation from Pakistan not to include 70 million punj and 50 million sindi, sariki, Mahjar and other Indic people.

Indic people wants to associate themselves with us while historical, culturally and racially we have nothing in common with them.

[Son of Mountains]

^ Farsibaan Pashtun Bhai Bhai
This is a thing a common Afghan here thinks

Good thought....keep it up....resultless

[Azmal]

Interesting, well i have the same feeling in line with Sherbano and Shehbaz. I would be happy to see my Afghan brothers to spent their summer vacations in Muree Northernn Areas as the citizen of the federation. I always recall my days when i used to spend nearly my every sunday in Ayub Park Pindi, Murree, Margala or Murree, felt happiness to found many Afghan families enjoying feasts. And i would like to visit good places of Afghanistan without hindrances and formalities. If we unite an ultimate balance is due to arrive for Pakhtoons in many reasons. And, hey if there come maturity to our democracy, then who give damn to ethnicities. I would like to vote for a Tajik, Baloch, Pakhtoon, Punjabi or Sindhi or an alien from a space who will possess the qualities of sincere leader to deliver. These are just my thoughts..

Saheed and all those supporter of this punjabi hot-airs.

Before trying to celebrate can your can please tell us what this union will be based on? How this will be any different from today superficial, nuclear proliferating, terrorism sponsoring basked case known as federal “Pakistan”? The funny part is this Ansari is trying to use quasi-religious arguments in favor of Pakistan---- a secular nation created by the hands of the British, you cant just pick and choose parts of Islam to justify its society and then ignore the rest. That is a travesty to Islam. The Islamic union this Ali Jinnah(alcohol drinking pork eating grand son of Hindi) supporter preach will NOT only threaten the survival of Pashtons culture , heritage , identity and noble values , but even our existence as a people as well. Worst off they violate the sanctity of Islam by using Islam when its convenient. Islam and our Pashtoon culture teaches us to be ruled by ourselves and not by others, and being apart of Pakistan a country which is not formed by our OWN authority is a violation of both ethics.
In terms of population there 500 times more PUNJABIS in Pakistan than Pashtuns , and this gives them a inordinate balance of power based on their political system. Even with this union this Ansari preach, Pashtons would not make more then 22%. On other hand when only Pashtoons of Pakistan rejoin with Afghanistan , then Pashtoons would have the centralized balance of power and would become an absolute majority, we'd end up becoming 85% of the population. I would like you to think about this : All the problems with drugs in Afghanistan and exploitation of sarhad Pashtoonistan(NFWP/Baluchistan/FATA) can be traced directly to the division of Pashtoonistan and Afghanistan. It's simple economics , when you divide the infrastructure and resources of an organization it becomes inefficient and Enters into what’s called a Diseconomy of Scale which creates the need to compensate for the deficiencies, often through illegal activities. Even in NFWP/Baluchistan/FATA, whatever the locals in the region produce is contributed to Punjab because they have a greater population. Which puts the Sarhad Pashtoonistan region into greater diseconomy of scale because there is a lack of synergy.

[Azmal]

^ Farsibaan Pashtun Bhai Bhai
This is a thing a common Afghan here thinks

Good thought....keep it up....resultless

SOM aka Massod...you keep your Pakistani centric fetnah and you will get banned again under this nick too...just as you been banned from almost all pashton forum...this should tell you something.

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SOM aka Massod...you keep your Pakistani centric fetnah and you will get banned again under this nick too...just as you been banned from almost all pashton forum...this should tell you something.

He isn't Maseed, ao peera lets not get personal here. Manana

I support Loy Afghanistan too and I liked your points on economy and infrastructure. As Pashutnkhwa and Afghanistan join together we can finally fix up the wrongs of the past 100 years. We have resources, people, strategic trading routes and natural bond (one of a nation).

[Son of Mountains]

^ hahahahahahahahhahhahaha
Zu maseeeeed yem.....Admin jaan, zu Maseed proved shuam, ban me....lol

[Azmal]

I have been following this site for awhile and I have seen that a "Loy Afghanistan" which would include Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbecks and so on it so how can some of you say that the REST of Pakistan is repulsive and only Pashtun areas are welcome? The history you share with Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbecks is not for very long and they have done the same and in some cases worse to you all than any Punjabi has done to us. Please explain to me why are THOSE non-Pashtuns okay in your "Loy Afghanistan" but Punjabi, Sindhi & so on are not? Just as you share a history with Tajiks, Uzbecks, Hazaras and don't hate all of them neither do most of us hate all Sindhi, Punjabi & so on. It would be best if we ALL unite as ONE country

I suggest you actual read history before you make nonesense claims...Tajik, Pashton, Persian, Baloch, and kurds are all Iranic people! While Punjabi, Sindi, Mahjar and... are Indic!
The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India. What did us Pashtoons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing. We in Afghanistan are NOT greedy. We just want the restoration of what rightfully is apart of Afghanistan.

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I suggest you actual read history before you make nonesense claims...Tajik, Pashton, Persian, Baloch, and kurds are all Iranic people! While Punjabi, Sindi, Mahjar and... are Indic!
The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India. What did us Pashtoons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing. We in Afghanistan are NOT greedy. We just want the restoration of what rightfully is apart of Afghanistan.

Iranic ao Indic kho baelaa khabaraa daa kho daa haqeeqath dae che Pashtunkhwa ao Afghanistna yaw zmaka ao yaw hewaadh dae bass agha ihsass ba paeda kaoo. Inshallah yaw ba shee...our interests, identity is joined at the hip.