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    The infection plague of Afghan violence spread into the once peaceful nation of Pakistan, Afghanis always want to blame every other country in the region for it's own faults of not being able to tolerate one another. The only way uncivilazed afghanis can be united is under an oppressive regime because the hatred between various ethnic groups is so deep.
    Generally speaking, Pashtuns hate Tajiks and Tajiks return the sentiment. Both look down on the Hazaras, though Tajiks have historically formed alliances of convenience with Hazaras and Uzbeks to match the strength of the Pashtuns. The Uzbeks don't have enough numbers to impose any will on anyone alone.
    Hazaras hold 10 percent of the population. Their ancestry goes back to the days when Genghis Khan invaded and controlled the country. They are mostly a poor, agrarian people who occupy an area in central Afghanistan.
    Uzbeks make up less than 10 percent of Afghans with the rest made up of smaller tribes such as Turkmen, Baluchi, Kyrgyz, Qizilbash, Kazakhs, Aimaq, Wakhis, Sikhs, Nuristanis and others.
    It is unknown exactly why the Pashtuns (and to a lesser extent the Tajiks) look at Hazaras as second-class citizens. Some theorize it is retaliation for the brutality Genghis Khan showed the people of Afghanistan during his control of the country. Others believe the intermixing of Mongol blood with that of other tribes is the root of the racism.
    But the real reason Pashtuns and Tajiks look down on Hazaras may have its roots in religion.
    Pashtuns and Tajiks are primarily Sunni Muslims. In fact, both are predominantly of the same Hanafi sect of Sunni. Hazaras, on the other hand, are Shiite Muslims.
    But unlike other Muslim countries, the infighting in Afghanistan is rarely along religious lines such as we see in Iraq. The more critical factor seems to come down to tribe or race.
    It was the disunity of the country that created the environment for the Taliban to come into power.
    The racial scars were deepened during the rule of the Taliban, members of which were mostly Pashtun and Tajik. The Taliban devastated entire villages of Hazaras. There are heartbreaking stories of Taliban brutality of Hazaras that are recounted among the people here to this day.
    This fragmentation of Afghanistan prevents any sort of real unity from taking hold. Such nationalism will be vital for this young and some say fragile government. But if you ask many of the people today whether they are "Afghan" most Pashtuns will take on that label while Tajiks and Hazaras are more reluctant and more likely point to their tribe first, seeing "Afghan" as a Pashtun word.

    The country's leader may be Pashtun, but it is Ahmed Shah Massoud, a Tajik, who is its national hero and most believe would have been the country's new leader after the Taliban. Massoud was the commander of the mujihadeen freedom fighters who drove out the Soviets and enjoyed numerous military victories against the Taliban. His murder by agents of Osama bin Laden two days before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon only helped cement his place in the hearts of Afghans. Billboards and placards bear his image all over the country, and he is talked about in the hallowed tones we once used for our own Founding Fathers.
    The Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police are a big part of today's desegregation plan of this country. The ANA has made it a point to mix its units for the past five years, and the ANP has followed suit. However, in an effort to retain and recruit soldiers, the ANA is allowing them to re-enlist or enlist into units closer to their home village. Some fear this will lead to segregation within its ranks again because villages themselves remain segregated throughout the country.
    The ANP has mixed police of different tribes for some time now, with mostly successful results. There are still instances where a Hazara chief will be slandered in the community by his Pashtun subordinates to the point of making him ineffective at his job. There are cases of a mostly Tajik police force setting up in a police district center in a Pashtun neighborhood and not getting any sort of support from the locals.
    I recently met an Afghan man, a war hero who has fought the Taliban countless times and today works as a police chief trying to create the Afghanistan he envisions.
    He derided his fellow Pashtuns for holding on to their backward ways (his word, not mine). He said if you go to the universities in Kabul today, you will find a large number of Hazaras there -- learning, growing, enlightening, progressing.
    "We will wake up one day and find the Hazaras are in control of this country, and maybe they should be," he said, speaking of the idea as something he hopes for rather than fears. "They are the ones showing the real desire to move forward while the Pashtuns want to cling to the old ways and go backward."


    Just a visit to youtube will show the hatred all these Afghani groups have for each other especialy Pashtuns. I'd post some but they are mostly X Rated

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    Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 12-15-2011, 09:12 PM.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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      I object vehemently to Pakistanis being called "Indians" though I can understand that the term needles them
      In fact they are a mongrel race which have inherited the worst traits of both Indian and Afghan nations.

      Otherwise in complete agreement with the posts by Levanaye Zalmaye and Jasmine.
      Regards
      Last edited by BLS_1919v2.0; 09-07-2010, 08:35 AM.
      Vande Mataram - Lata Mangeshkar - YouTube

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      • #4
        Originally posted by drona View Post
        I object vehemently to Pakistanis being called "Indians" though I can understand that the term needles them
        In fact they are a mongrel race which have inherited the worst traits of both Indian and Afghan nations.

        Otherwise in complete agreement with the posts by Levanaye Zalmaye and Jasmine.
        Regards
        Pakistan is a state not a race. The people of Panjab and Sindh share commonalities with their neighbours India....Pashtuns are Afghans so we are tied with Afghanistan and Baloch with their people in Iran.

        BTW no race is pure, so going around generalizing about a group of people is ironic (considering the majority are from the same subcontinent you belong to).
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          This is interesting thread. Pakistan is responsible for all the violence and instability in the region. Substantiating this are the 4 wars i.e., 1948, 1965, 1971, 1998 it fought with India over Kashmir & Bangla Desh, which were of its own initiation not to mention the proxy war it is currently waging aginst NATO-US forces in Afghanistan. If you would ask a Punjabi officer of Paki army, he will proudly tell you, they are playing smart by being able to bog down NATO-US forces in Afghanistan.

          What can you say of a country that has its foundation in communal hatred.
          Last edited by Toramana; 09-07-2010, 04:44 PM.

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            Originally posted by Toramana View Post
            This is interesting thread. Pakistan is responsible for all the violence and instability in the region. Substantiating this are the 4 wars i.e., 1948, 1965, 1971, 1998 it fought with India over Kashmir & Bangla Desh, which were of its own initiation not to mention the proxy war it is currently waging aginst NATO-US forces in Afghanistan. If you would ask a Punjabi officer of Paki army, he will proudly tell you, they are playing smart by being able to bog down NATO-US forces in Afghanistan.

            What can you say of a country that has its foundation in communal hatred.
            Or about a country that is playing smart and footsy with its own benefactor...lolz
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