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    I would leave Holland as soon as the Taliban are back in power.

    I wouldn't wanna leave my prestigious university because Islam does not prevent me from seeking knowledge elsehwere outside dar ul Islam.

    If the University is weak in Afghanistan and I cannot study elsewhere, then there is no harm for me to stay and study there. My uncle graduated from Kabul University during Taliban era and is now one of the most talented specialists in Kabul treating children.

    My aunt was a teacher in Kabul like many other female relatives. She even received salary from the Taliban government because she was a government employee and the Taliban were responsible for paying her wages.

    But because of the lack of resources and safety, she was told to stay at home, and if possible, teach girls and women at home. Not outside.

    This is how many female relatives of mine learned how to read and write.

    And Taliban did not close all schools. It is even reported by Western Media that they re-opened some schools for girls in Kabul lateron when there was more safety and security. So please dont repeat lies here.


    Women in Afghanistan have always been illiterate. They are not more literate now than they were during Taliban or any other regime. It is not because of the Taliban. But because of our backward primitive un-Islamic culture that teaches us to prevent women from seeking education.

    We as muslims do not consider the USA as a superpower. Considering other than allah to be a superpower is shirk and kufr. Who ever thinks that prosperity comes from America and UN has disbelieved in Allah and his attributes.

    The repeated lie often told by Pashtun Nationalists who claim that Afghanistan was Pakistans 5 province during the Taliban era is refuted by the fact that the very same Pashtun Nationalists support American invasion of Afghanistan and even suggest that prosperity and progress in Afghanistan depends on America.


    If we have an Islamic state which is governed by Islamic laws and the people are treated well and in accordance to quran and sunnah, it doesn't matter if we starve from hunger or we remain as backward and under-developed as we are now.

    Because the purpose of our existence is not to become prosperous in this life. We are alive because we have to face the test that allah has designed for us and we have to worship him and stay on the straight path. If this means being poor and illiterate, then so be it.

    But the truth is, Taliban or Muslims never have prevented education or progress. It is the disbelievers and crusaders who use the false notions of progress and prosperity to colonize poor and illiterate people.

    They indoctrinate people into believing that life is about being rich and chasing the wealth.

    Yet, look at Pakistan and India. They were colonized for over 200 years by the British. The British empire was civilizing the savages there as they claimed.

    But today most of Pakistan is just as poor and unfortinate as Afghanistan.

    Pakistan might have nuclear weapons. BUt they cant build proper flood prevention systems. Why? Because they are corrupt. And no matter how much money and wealth they have acquired, or how many years they have spent as slaves of the British, they have still failed to learn one simple thing.

    Which is tawheed. Monotheism. Worshiping allah alone.

    But people in all former colonies worship money, bangla, cars and social status.

    This is not what Muslims should believe or practice.
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    Sangaaar as you were there last time when there was taliban rule, also waziristan, is already under them and some areas of afghanistan, what is stopping you?
    We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

    If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

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      • #4
        Sangar you are no more than those cowards who from the crowd pumps the one who are fighting, and shouts hit him hard , kick his ass and when the fight is over they walk as if they have won the battle. if you are such a supporter and believer of the ideology go and join them, stop wasting your and our time
        We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

        If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Samima
          Sangar,

          what about all those innocent females who were not allowed to receive education? Don't they have an equal chance as you Sangar? Or are your views similar to Samin? The point is the Taliban tried to eliminate our history. I have videos and documentaries that show that the Taliban went as far as burning up the NATIONAL ARCHIVE of Afghanistan in Kabul. There are many videos that show this. Sangar jaan, why don't you realize that its Pakistan who is behind these Taliban who want to control and subjugate the current population of Afghanistan. During the Taliban era, Yes Pashto was spoken. Yes the capital was Kandahar. Yes Pashtuns were in charge but does that really matter when we hardly had any schools or a central Govt that was effective? Remember those days when in order to make a phone call you needed to use a Pakistani phone? Do you not sense the dependence that Pakistan wants us to feel?

          Afghanistan was once a literate nation that had females who did not have to go outsides wearing blue tents. I have pictures to show that women are in Labs in Kabul University. Today take a look at female statistics. Sangar do you not realize that Pakistans ISI had this ultimate goal to have a dumb,backwards Afghanistan? A nation that it can control and use as a proxy for its strategic depth? Sangar think about it carefully. ISI supports Taliban. Which Nation wants to see another nation prosper without its own benefits?

          Before you begin with the lecture that Taliban was created in Arghandab, Kandahar. I dont care if it was created in Los Angeles. Taliban were a tool used by the Pakistanis to subjugate and diminish the Afghan intelligentsia. Before you begin comparing Pakistan and Afghanistan and telling me they are booth poor and illiterate please take a look at the economic success of Pakistan and compare it to Afghanistan. I believe Karachi alone has a higher gross domestic product than Afghanistan combined.


          I think I have said enough. There is no need for me to counter you false claims and fabrications of western media, northern alliance and communists.
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            Sayed Rahmatullah Hashmi is now enjoying the american citizenship. studied in the US. those interviews are pretty old and during that time the US wanted to recognize the taliban as a legitimate government of afghanistan. he said everything the US wanted to hear, why he is quite now? sangar wrora.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by afghan View Post

              Sayed Rahmatullah Hashmi is now enjoying the american citizenship. studied in the US. those interviews are pretty old and during that time the US wanted to recognize the taliban as a legitimate government of afghanistan. he said everything the US wanted to hear, why he is quite now? sangar wrora.

              Well obviously, he cant go and seek public stages defending the Taliban. He will be probably locked up.

              Just like me. If I say anything out loud in public about the killings of 300 civilians by the Dutch government, they will probably lock me up for committing the crime of free speech.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Samima
                Dear Sangar,
                before I started this thread I was confident that you or your minions weren't capable of producing an answer that might entertain us in PF because the proof is visible. Burning our national archive, banning female education, saying no to T-VS. forcing men to pray, receiving support from ISI. Its proof that Pakistan wants to eliminate Afghanistans 5,000 year old history. How do you get rid of someones pride? Eradicate all its historical elements. That is exactly what ISI did. Attack Kabul Museum, burn the thousands of historical archives and perhaps replace them with Pakistani historical texts.

                common sense tells the world that once an organization recieves support from an intelligence agency, there are problems. Pakistan wanted to use Afghanistan as a shield against a potential India attack better known as Strategic Depth.

                I at times thank Americans for revealing the true animosity and image of a terrorist nation named Pakistan. Pakistan is now considered a terrorist nation because the world including British Prime minister admit that it has a double-game going on. One one hands its goal is contributing to the wealthiness of Punjab by saying they are fighting a war on terror and on the other hand it supports Taliban telling them to fight the Americans.

                Anyone who has taken a few common sense courses can tell you it wants Afghanistan all for its own interests. Remember Baradar incident? How Pakistan gained a seat in the Table talks about Afghanistans future? Do you ever hear of Taliban discussing Pakistans future? As you can see this is just the beginning.

                is this called a discussion? Repeating lies and fabcrications from the media?

                Did you take a course on that too?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Samima
                  Exactly what I meant. You lack the ability to hold a discussion Mullah sahab. I posted some claims you have yet to counter them.

                  Please don't destroy our nation Sangar. Afghanistan does not need your Pakistani terrorists who want to us to be subservient to Islamabad.

                  For God's sake no.

                  My question to you Mr Taliban is the Taliban is so super duper good why doesn't Pakistan implement the same Islamic-shariah for itself?

                  I swear I will drop my stance the minute I see Taliban style Shariah in Pakistan. But no, Pakistan isn't as beaqal as naive Afghans who think its Jihad to kill innocent people. They are gaining education and receiving masters degree while we are too busy deciding how long the tent on the women should be.

                  Do you see the difference? I must also admit that the ISI deserves credit. It has brainwashed innocent gullible Afghans like you so easily. Allahu Akbar! Let's die for the Virgins and ban education.

                  I think you are not part of "our nation". So continue walking in your high heels in America. Because Afghanistan is the home of people other than the ones who enjoy freedoms such was walking around in high heels.
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                  • #10
                    If anyone can be blamed for destroying afghanistan, it was ahmad shaw masood and hekmatyar. After the russians left, They should have made peace with the government, but they were both telling najib that they will only consider an unconditional surrender of the afghan government. I dont think they realized that the ISI were using them until the end. If they were smart they would have used all sides for the benifit of the afghan nation. The Taliban were just an answer to the chaos that was created by those two idiots. Dont blame the ISI for destoying afghanistan, that was there job and that was their goal, their mission was accomplished, blame Masood and hekmatyar for not preventing them from destroying the nation

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Samima
                      You failed to refute me again. I will give you another chance Mullah sahab. If you are capable of offering rebuttal. Feel free. If not, I can pay for your cost to press alt+F4.

                      I am not surprised at all. You want our nation to be subservient to Punjab. Many Mullahs like you yelled loudly that lets do Jihad. The minute they say the American force they ran.

                      You have already destroyed our Kabul. You have destroyed our 2nd largest city Kandahar. Please Sangar, I am not in favor of this Loy Pakistan idea.
                      but i dont need to refute you. Because there is no you involved in this dicussion. Its just whatever you have picked up from the news.

                      It is un-Islamic to have vain discussions. Especially when everything you say is based on hearsay of the kuffaar.
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                      • #12
                        I am speechless.
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                        • #13
                          your blame is going to the wrong people, The Taliban didnt destroy afghanistan, it was destoyed before they came to power. They inhereted a country in ruins. Anybody and Everybody that knew anything about adminestering a country all left and ran away. These Mullahs were left behind, what do you expect them to do.

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                          • #14
                            Dont blame the mullahs, they are going to do what they know, and preach what they know they will do what they think is best for the people, most of them have no idea on how to manage a country or any of the ministries. All the ones that knew how to manage ministries ran away. They didnt stay or even offered their help from the west where they were staying

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                            • #15
                              You have to analyse this logically. At what point were the afghans doomed, they were doomed at the point when masood and hekmatyar refused to make peace with the government, ,and when the government callapsed, that when they were doomed. The afghans were lucky that the taliban came along at that point other wise the killing and the rapeing would have been going on for decades like they are in some of those african countries

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