Pashtuns working for ISI

[BehavedMaseed]

ISI viruses like your uncle who according to your own admission is a major in ISPR?

Well...He is a sincere person. Given the opportunity and chance he will leave and flee. I am actually trying to get him to come over to the UK. Plus he isnt in ISI. Hes in Pakistan Army.

Plus there is no bigger virus than the Afghan Taliban and their fathers col imam,hamid gul, general baig aslam.

Kind Regards

[BehavedMaseed]

look at maseed talking....

he has only mentioned one uncle... God knows how many other in his family work for ISI

Atleast I am honest about what I say unlike some here you pull out the ISI card when somebody is Honest.

I dislike the ISI; look at my comments and read them.

Just because Pashtuns Will never accep Tajiks as their brothers doesnt mean they are working for ISI. On the other hand over 300 Afghans, I am Saying Afghans were sent by ISI during the Kargil war and died there, So before you call others as ISI agents and look down upon those who truely care for Pashtuns, With no offence I suggest you loose the Usual Tajik Fear talk and look at where the ISI truely recruits its Jihadi foot soldiers from.

Have a great day.

Kind Regards

[akbarkhan]

Well...He is a sincere person. Given the opportunity and chance he will leave and flee. I am actually trying to get him to come over to the UK. Plus he isnt in ISI. Hes in Pakistan Army.

LOL @ sincere person who given the opportunity will flee!

There is no difference between the Pakistan army and ISI, they are part of the same infested organism.

[Michin Khel]

LOL @ sincere person who given the opportunity will flee! You got jokes, haven't you!

There is no difference between the Pakistan army and ISI, they are part of the same infested organism.

How much are you sincere to unity of pashtuns? you were the one who was insulting pashtuns of pakhtunkhw in general and swabiwals in special along with moron of the weak, khyaal.

[akbarkhan]

How much are you sincere to unity of pashtuns? you were the one who was insulting pashtuns of pakhtunkhw in general and swabiwals in special along with moron of the weak, khyaal.

So you expect me to boast and brag about my sincerety on an internet forum?

I am not insulting the Pashtuns of Pashtunkha in general, however, I have my reservations! 9 out of 10 Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns slide between being Afghans and Pakistanies depending on what and how much is at stake. I keep telling them, there is no such thing as a 'Pakistani Pashtun', yet they call Afghans in Pashtunkha as Muhajirs etc.

Secondly, no where in Afghanistan did and do we have porn theaters, the 'Pashtun nationalist' leaders of Pashtunkhwa run the porn industry in Pashtunkhwa.

Thirdly, Pakistan gives all-clear access to American jets, drones and military logistics to pass its territory and go through Pashtunkhwa so that Americans could kill more Pashtuns in Afghanistan, what do 'Pashtunkha' Pashtuns do about this? Nothing! Simply nothing! They just sit and watch and celebrate because NWFP was renamed to Pashtunkhwa! Is that how cheap Pashtun blood is on the other side of the border? Is it?

Can't you see what Allah swt does to a people who overlook their Farayez? Can't you see them being swept away like an autumns leaf with floods? Not that I am happy that such a thing happened, but ponder on it!

For 9 years Afghans are keeping afloat in their own flood of blood and tears! Where were the gallant and brave Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns save a few that Allah swt has guided?

Just take a look at Pashtu music videos on youtube and you will see what 'Pashtuns' on the other side of the border do and get upto. Don't get mad about what I say, think about it!

Watch those videos and try and compare Pashtuns living on both sides of the border, I am sure you will see a huge difference.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

So you expect me to boast and brag about my sincerety on an internet forum?

I am not insulting the Pashtuns of Pashtunkha in general, however, I have my reservations! 9 out of 10 Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns slide between being Afghans and Pakistanies depending on what and how much is at stake. I keep telling them, there is no such thing as a 'Pakistani Pashtun', yet they call Afghans in Pashtunkha as Muhajirs etc.

Secondly, no where in Afghanistan did and do we have porn theaters, the 'Pashtun nationalist' leaders of Pashtunkhwa run the porn industry in Pashtunkhwa.

Thirdly, Pakistan gives all-clear access to American jets, drones and military logistics to pass its territory and go through Pashtunkhwa so that Americans could kill more Pashtuns in Afghanistan, what do 'Pashtunkha' Pashtuns do about this? Nothing! Simply nothing! They just sit and watch and celebrate because NWFP was renamed to Pashtunkhwa! Is that how cheap Pashtun blood is on the other side of the border? Is it?

Can't you see what Allah swt does to a people who overlook their Farayez? Can't you see them being swept away like an autumns leaf with floods? Not that I am happy that such a thing happened, but ponder on it!

For 9 years Afghans are keeping afloat in their own flood of blood and tears! Where were the gallant and brave Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns save a few that Allah swt has guided?

Just take a look at Pashtu music videos on youtube and you will see what 'Pashtuns' on the other side of the border go and get upto. Don't get mad about what I say, think about it!

NATO tankers are constantly attacked near peshawar and khyber agency...so there goes that. The issue isn't that they are not supporting, the problem is that there are two diverging thoughts. One sees Karzai as legitimate and NATO as legitimate in the sense that the people attacking tankers and fighting are ISI agents. You will argue that isn't the case. This is the essence of it all so don't bring the character of Pashutnkhwa in it manana. Ka zanae jung tha larr shee waee ISI agentaan dee..nu da ham paighour kaee ao tha ham kae. Ajjb khabaraa da.

About save a few gallant people...well many many are fighting, at the initial invasion of Afghanistan thousands just from swat, dir, buner and shangla went to fight under the calling of that idiot Sufi Mohammad. So again don't generalize.

If you an issue with porn theatres or some other people fine fair enough. Those are wrong and so are those people calling Afghanistan Pashtuns mahajir.

About the youtube ddamthob...majority Pashtuns don't like it, but it is a reality. It is like charss....many decent people dislike it, but it doesn't mean it isnt a reality. Next time save us and yourself the time and don't generalize. Manana

[akbarkhan]

NATO tankers are constantly attacked near peshawar and khyber agency...so there goes that. The issue isn't that they are not supporting, the problem is that there are two diverging thoughts. One sees Karzai as legitimate and NATO as legitimate in the sense that the people attacking tankers and fighting are ISI agents. You will argue that isn't the case. This is the essence of it all so don't bring the character of Pashutnkhwa in it manana. Ka zanae jung tha larr shee waee ISI agentaan dee..nu da ham paighour kaee ao tha ham kae. Ajjb khabaraa da.

About save a few gallant people...well many many are fighting, at the initial invasion of Afghanistan thousands just from swat, dir, buner and shangla went to fight under the calling of that idiot Sufi Mohammad. So again don't generalize.

If you an issue with porn theatres or some other people fine fair enough. Those are wrong and so are those people calling Afghanistan Pashtuns mahajir.

About the youtube ddamthob...majority Pashtuns don't like it, but it is a reality. It is like charss....many decent people dislike it, but it doesn't mean it isnt a reality. Next time save us and yourself the time and don't generalize. Manana

I haven't generalized, never will! And I agree with what you have said above.

If you took a sample of 10 pakistani pashtu music videos and 10 afghan pashtu videos, don't you think that they are almost incomparable? The gap is so huge that one would think that it is not the same culture!

For example, compare these.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I haven't generalized, never will! And I agree with what you have said above.

If you took a sample of 10 pakistani pashtu music videos and 10 afghan pashtu videos, don't you think that they are almost incomparable? The gap is so huge that one would think that it is not the same culture!

For example, compare these.

Ok wror jaana now lets be fair...you picked Nahma and Mangal and you picked ddamaan for the other. Is that fair? Why didn't you pick Sardar Ali Takkar, Khyaal Mohammad, etc?

Wrora if someone brought wrong things about Afghanistan I would defend it, because I may not be the brightest bulb but I can catch BS when I see it. And here I hate to say it you are being very unfair. Ok lets take a tasteful video as well

YouTube - Ma wey zama Laila - Sardar Ali Takkar - Pashto

[Michin Khel]

So you expect me to boast and brag about my sincerety on an internet forum?

Aye cha zra na kho tsok nai khabar. You have to speak and then we can have options of believing you or not believing you.

I am not insulting the Pashtuns of Pashtunkha in general, however, I have my reservations! 9 out of 10 Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns slide between being Afghans and Pakistanies depending on what and how much is at stake. I keep telling them, there is no such thing as a 'Pakistani Pashtun', yet they call Afghans in Pashtunkha as Muhajirs etc.

You want to say that we are confused and that we are suffering from identity crisis, i partially agree with you. We are confused that we should be more pashtuni or more pakistani. We are not confused between afghan and pakistan...
We dont call ourselves afghans, we are pashtuns....and pashtun doesnt mean that we have to throw off pakistani citizenship , it also doesnt mean that we have to present our loyalty to afghanistan.
About mohajir thing i would say that people use this out of ignorance mostly not merely as an insult. Any how i condemn it.

Secondly, no where in Afghanistan did and do we have porn theaters, the 'Pashtun nationalist' leaders of Pashtunkhwa run the porn industry in Pashtunkhwa.

May be, but dont generalize about all of pakhtunkhwa. Have you been to rural areas of pakhtunkhwa, they dont have such kharafat.
Afghanistan has recored very recently from taliban influence, and they are gone now. you must be not so sure about non-existance of porn there. Ka porn na wi, bachabazi kho shta kana.

Thirdly, Pakistan gives all-clear access to American jets, drones and military logistics to pass its territory and go through Pashtunkhwa so that Americans could kill more Pashtuns in Afghanistan, what do 'Pashtunkha' Pashtuns do about this? Nothing! Simply nothing! They just sit and watch and celebrate because NWFP was renamed to Pashtunkhwa! Is that how cheap Pashtun blood is on the other side of the border? Is it?

We tried to hit drones with our kohatay topaks but they were out of our range.
Perhaps you dont know that magority of talibans fighting against US are from pakhtunkhwa.

Can't you see what Allah swt does to a people who overlook their Farayez? Can't you see them being swept away like an autumns leaf with floods? Not that I am happy that such a thing happened, but ponder on it!

For 9 years Afghans are keeping afloat in their own flood of blood and tears! Where were the gallant and brave Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns save a few that Allah swt has guided?

Just take a look at Pashtu music videos on youtube and you will see what 'Pashtuns' on the other side of the border do and get upto. Don't get mad about what I say, think about it!

Watch those videos and try and compare Pashtuns living on both sides of the border, I am sure you will see a huge difference.

I will ponder about it. We all pashtuns should ponder about the reasons that we are suffering.

[afghan]

I have a friend from shangla who is 1st lieutnant in Pak army. I once asked him what he will do if he is ordered to take part in military operation against his village where his family lives. He said he will follow the order.
I asked him what he will do if he is ordered by his officer to shoot his family members, he replied without hesitation that he will shoot them.
Those in army & ISI has nothing to do with pashtunism.

i have met people working for ISI, they did not hide it. i have also spoken to the district chief of ISI at my firends place, when i asked why do pashtun would work for ISI to harm their own pashtun brotehrs, his reply was that he will always remain loyal to pashtun, working for ISI is a source of income and influence. later on his son was slaughtered and body was hanged in the bazzar. he was told by the panjabies to keep his mouth shut, and was not allowed to leave the area, eventhough he recieved many offers from western countries to immigrate.

[amna.]

A Pashtun whether he works for ISPR or ISI or Pak Army or supports any of those groups in my opinion is a sold out. Jasmine said she will throw a shoe at them, I might just spit in on their faces. If I ever have a family member who joins ISI, I will never consider him part of the family. We know ISI has killed thousands of Pashtuns and deceived us.


I agree with Akbar Khan, when has a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa protested against our killings? Let me guess they were to busy partying from being known as Sarhadis to Pashtunkwa. We both have faults. Both sides have shortcomings. That is the point of my post.

[Michin Khel]

A Pashtun whether he works for ISPR or ISI or Pak Army or supports any of those groups in my opinion is a sold out. Jasmine said she will throw a shoe at them, I might just spit in on their faces. If I ever have a family member who joins ISI, I will never consider him part of the family. We know ISI has killed thousands of Pashtuns and deceived us.


I agree with Akbar Khan, when has a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa protested against our killings? Let me guess they were to busy partying from being known as Sarhadis to Pashtunkwa. We both have faults. Both sides have shortcomings. That is the point of my post.

When afghanistan was attacked by US after 9/11, there were so much protests in pakhtunkhwa that it was on verge of rebellion against pakistan....ka talibano kabul na bagora shawi na wu nu NWFP baghawat kawalay.

[amna.]

Can you further elaborate? I have yet to see someone from Pashtunkhwa offer us support. When we came to our lands to live temporarily since our lands where infested with Punjabi Taliban you began calling us "Mahajir". When we had US aircraft bombarding us they flew threw your land. I dont want to think negative and lets not drag the past into this but how do you think we felt Luffy? To make things worse we are insulted and called muhajirs? This is why I laugh when I hear the word unity.

[Michin Khel]

Can you further elaborate? I have yet to see someone from Pashtunkhwa offer us support. When we came to our lands to live temporarily since our lands where infested with Punjabi Taliban you began calling us "Mahajir". When we had US aircraft bombarding us they flew threw your land. I dont want to think negative and lets not drag the past into this but how do you think we felt Luffy? To make things worse we are insulted and called muhajirs? This is why I laugh when I hear the word unity.

when russia attacked afghanistan, all of the pakistanis that went there to help afghans were pashtuns...please ignore the fact that ISI was recruiting and training them because common pashtuns went there for simple purpose, to help their brothers in fight.
Peshawer is notorious for calling afghans majars but as bls-1919 says you cant ignore , quetta, zhob, dir, malakand, nowshera, kohat, bannu, lakki marwat etc and tribal areas where full melmastob was given to afghans.

[amna.]

when russia attacked afghanistan, all of the pakistanis that went there to help afghans were pashtuns...please ignore the fact that ISI was recruiting and training them because common pashtuns went there for simple purpose, to help their brothers in fight.
Peshawer is notorious for calling afghans majars but as bls-1919 says you cant ignore , quetta, zhob, dir, malakand, nowshera, kohat, bannu, lakki marwat etc and tribal areas where full melmastob was given to afghans.

Quetta embraced them because Quetta is an extension of Kandahar. I have lived in Quetta for 12 years. Quetta speaks like Kandaharis. It also has areas named after Kandaharis. Our problem is with the main cities of Pashtunkhwa i.e Peshawar where we where insulted.

Name 1 Afghan city that called you people Muhajirs. Thats besides the point. What have you all done now to stop the innocent killing?

Do you consider us the same people luffy? Do you condemn our innocent deaths?