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[IamDZJ]

ahh....if we could fight all our wars like this there wouldn't be any glorifying tales of swords dripping the blood of the enemy.

[Laila]

We will never, in our life use our beauty for this reason. Thank you very much.

oh, and please dont post a topic like this again, coming from an active member and seeing you want to advertise to get Pashtun/Muslim woman for this, i am quite offended.

[Musafira]

He can make his points without perversion if he tries.

[Laila]

^ Well it would have been better if he tried to make his point a little more clear.

i apologize for not reading your post correctly and jumping to conclusion right away.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Actually secular Pashtun Nationlists love Pashtun porn. In Peshawar, a prominent Pashtun nationalist from ANP owns many porn cinemas.

[Admin Khan]

Actually secular Pashtun Nationlists love Pashtun porn. In Peshawar, a prominent Pashtun nationalist from ANP owns many porn cinemas.

Generalizing is not a good thing. We should try to refrain from such crude generalizations. Quite obviously, many would beg to differ. I coming from a more neutral perspective do not think all Nationalists would engage in such an activity.

This is like someone saying, "Mullahs all sexually harass 5 year olds". Such generalizations as the above and the one I provided without proof or valid sources in modern English is considered as a baseless assumption.

Dear Wrayun Khan,

Before I offer my refutation would you care to further elaborate your stance and intention behind the thread? I'd like to understand the motive and hidden meaning behind it.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Generalizing is not a good thing. We should try to refrain from such crude generalizations. Quite obviously many would beg to differ.

This is like someone saying, "Mullahs all sexually harass 5 year olds". Such generalizations without proof in modern English is considered a baseless assumption.

Is Belor not a secular Pashtun Nationalist from ANP?

[Admin Khan]

Is Belor not a secular Pashtun Nationalist from ANP?

If *I* as a Muslim decide to let's say rape a 9 year old and announce that I enjoyed it. How would you feel if a Dutch man rolling up his sleeves declares that all Muslims are rapists and they enjoy it?

You should be very careful with your sentence structure. Like I said, this is coming from someone who has a very neutral perspective on this subject. Saying all Nationalists enjoy what you claimed they enjoy is silly and absurd.

[شمله ور خراساني]

If *I* as a Muslim decide to let's say rape a 9 year old and announce that I enjoyed it. How would you feel if a Dutch man rolling up his sleeves declares that all Muslims are rapists and they enjoy it?

You should be very careful with your sentence structure. Like I said, this is coming from a very neutral perspective on this matter.

you are now using a false argument.

The point is, Belor is a prominent political figure in the Pashtun Nationalist political party.

If a prominent leader of Muslims like a prominent scholar of great influence would approve pornography or own porn theatres, then obviously that would damage the credibility of the Islamic movements.
This is logical.

Why shouldn't we apply this to Nationalists?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

ahh....if we could fight all our wars like this there wouldn't be any glorifying tales of swords dripping the blood of the enemy.

Hahaha what a win statement maam...high 5

[Admin Khan]

you are now using a false argument.

How so? While you are it. Explain the term "False-argument".

The point is, Belor is a prominent political figure in the Pashtun Nationalist political party.

For the sake of the discussion, let's agree that he owns the worlds largest porn theater. Let's agree. Does that still give you or I the right to pass a judgment like the one you made here.

Actually secular Pashtun Nationlists love Pashtun porn.

If a prominent leader of Muslims like a prominent scholar of great influence

I beg to differ, the term "influence" is up for grabs in a discussion. Many times in our past we have noticed and read about many Christian priests who were involved in shameful activities. Does that mean the entire congregation of that priest is bad? If your Mullah is caught stealing, does someone have the right to label you a thief?

Why shouldn't we apply this to Nationalists?

You can present your opinion. If you would have said, "In my opinion, Nationalists are happy people", "In my opinion atheists are immoral". I wouldn't have quoted you. The fact that you generalized and attempted to slaughter a particular groups image without providing any valid source or proof[I don't think any source can justify such a broad generalization]is something I disagree with.

Similarly, when someone says to me, "Muslims are all terrorists". I offer the same rebuttal. However, that can also be challenged. Furthermore, I'd like to conclude my post by saying we should be careful with one-liners and re-read them before we pass an assumption.

Saying all Atheists are rapists, all Secularists love Porn or all Muslims are terrorists is simply wrong. If we are talking in individual grounds, my perspective might have been slightly different.

[Wrayun]

I am sad. This thread is now so off topic.

[Roshina]

you are now using a false argument.

The point is, Belor is a prominent political figure in the Pashtun Nationalist political party.

If a prominent leader of Muslims like a prominent scholar of great influence would approve pornography or own porn theatres, then obviously that would damage the credibility of the Islamic movements.
This is logical.

Why shouldn't we apply this to Nationalists?

Sangar Gula! The point is, you don't generalize -- just because someone in a certain nationalist party does something does NOT mean everyone who either supports that party and/or carries the same label(s) that that particular person carries is going to be like him.

There's nothing illogical in this: All nationalists do NOT believe the same things or see everything the same way or want the same things or would do the same things. As you must know, a lot of Muslim mullahs and Quran teachers are known for raping or molesting their young students (often females, but I've heard of male cases as well); does that mean ALL mullahs or Quran teachers are like this? Of course not. It just means some are.

So again, learn to narrow your assumptions, will ya? Consider adding "some" or "many" or "it seems to me that ..." in your (absurd and illogical) claims.