The recent propaganda trying to link ISI with the Taliban

[شمله ور خراساني]

as salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

the purpose of this propaganda is to make dump people believe that the reason why America has lost the war in Afghanistan is because of Pakistan.

Anyone that stupid to believe this lie must be deliberately fooling him/herself.

Because ISI is not more capable and more powerful than the entire NATO and many non-NATO countries who are occupying Afghanistan.

But people just wish to believe this lie, because their hatred for the Afghan people and their resistance against the crusaders and the apostate nihilist supporters of the crusade and the nihilist puppet government of Karzai.

[ComradePashtun]

Wa be ghawra yaaara... lewanay laleya..

Wa alaikum salam warahmatullah!

This is no propaganda it is the only truth.

Secondly, America has not lost the war and nor have those who want to defeat Taliban as foreign proxy and a zombie enemy of Afghanistan. What do you consider won and lost for yourself?

The issue of ISI in relation to NATO, CIA or other intelligence agencies is not of which has more resources, spies etc. ISI has cannon fodders like you in their disposal and can adeptly through its mullahs manipulate naive Pashtuns in making grouds in its agenda. The game rules here are differnt with differnce of inherent advantage. This is politics, and politics is ruthless and self and national interest is supreme above anything. Fair enough to them. And ISI and Paki policy makers are rational and professional people not like you sitting in Holland ranting apostate, nihilst and brewing to cut the head of you fellow Pashtuns, and their policies and agendas are shaped by only their own self/national interest. Their relation with America is above your Talibi brains, and interest here are very fluid - as far as holding your feet to the fire goes, the Talib issue is only a spaner or a monkey range in the greater scheme of things. Now I don't think any one is able to tell you exactly what is the deal with America and sugar daddies ISI/Pakis, but if you know the fundementals of the two countries' relations and interest then I suggest you simply open up something on game-theory read and understand it, put every thing infront of you and then in perspective. This is a starters for you Mullah Saib.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Actually, game theory is one of my specialities. I've done 3 courses plus read several books including Analyzing Politics and Strategy of Games.

You were saying..???

[ComradePashtun]

HAHAHA Mullah saib, now you tell us something. No bia kho weeda yee. Gotta go will bk in few hours.

[BehavedMaseed]

[BehavedMaseed]

Doesnt it puzzle how a Movement which was founded in Pakistan in the madrassah owned by ISI agent Maulana Sami ul Haq is seen as Propaghanda?

How come most of the most open supporters of Taliban are actually ISI generals such as Hamid gul,general baig and Col Imam?

Comrade Pashtun they are desparate because they know who their real masters truely are.

Kind Regards

[BehavedMaseed]

They deem any truth as a Propaghanda, They never mention how Afghan taliban sent 20 man jirga to free col imam from the hands of Punjabi Militants.

Time will tell how long this Taliban will last. They think Allah is going to shower them with money,food and shelter for which pakistna army is providing them.

I gave my offer to Sangar to visit Miram Shah and Mir Ali and see for himself how friendly Pakistan Army and Taliban are but he refuses to accept.

So I wont bother him again and just wait till reality hits the heads of some of these taliban supporters.

Kind Regards

[شمله ور خراساني]

I gave my offer to Sangar to visit Miram Shah and Mir Ali and see for himself how friendly Pakistan Army and Taliban are but he refuses to accept.

you also gave me an offer to go to Dera Ismail Khan to marry a woman from your tribe only 1 month ago because you said, that I have such a pure and clean heart.

I can't take your offers. One day you are all over me on MSN telling me how much you love me, the next day you declare your apostasy and call me nasty names.

I dont know what I should do about you.

[afghan]

you also gave me an offer to go to Dera Ismail Khan to marry a woman from your tribe only 1 month ago because you said, that I have such a pure and clean heart.

I can't take your offers. One day you are all over me on MSN telling me how much you love me, the next day you declare your apostasy and call me nasty names.

I dont know what I should do about you.

sangar wrora whats happening to you going back into nationalism? looks from nick. by marring a great masood woman should be a moment of pride they are very honourable women.

[شمله ور خراساني]

sangar wrora whats happening to you going back into nationalism? looks from nick. by marring a great masood woman should be a moment of pride they are very honourable women.

I'm sure they are very honorable. No doubt about it. My nickname is not nationalistic. There is no such a thing as a Khurasani nation. There never was a nation like that. Khurasan was a region. Where people of different ethnicities and backgrounds use to live.

[afghan]

I'm sure they are very honorable. No doubt about it. My nickname is not nationalistic. There is no such a thing as a Khurasani nation. There never was a nation like that. Khurasan was a region. Where people of different ethnicities and backgrounds use to live.

in the north of afghanistan, non-afghans consider themselves khurasani, they want to create a state called khurasan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

in the north of afghanistan, non-afghans consider themselves khurasani, they want to create a state called khurasan.

they are stupid fascists. they also claim to be persians. Most of them are actually persian speaking turkic tribes who have assimilated to the local culture.

[ComradePashtun]

Sangar,

Lets have this a proper substantive and educational topic to discuss every issue one by one in a clear perspective.

Please answer the following questions as the rubric for continuing this debate. Provide as detail answers as you can for the follwing questions and then we can take them up one by one along with other members here too.


1-How do you evaluate Taliban relations with Pakistan.

2-Does Taliban exist as a political movement and how active and popular are they among the populaiton of Afghanistan in present?

3-Please give us a list or synopsis of some of your military advantages over the Afghan government and its international forces allies for which you have claimed that they are losing.

No one liners, by the way you escaped my other questions in ISI chief's letter to Mullah Beradar.

[murad afghan]

ISI warns Taliban not to open talks without permission: Report
Published: Monday, Aug 23, 2010, 13:41 IST
Place: Washington, DC | Agency: PTI


Pakistan's military spy agency ISI has warned the Taliban not to open negotiations with the Hamid Karzai regime or the US without its permission.

Quoting top Pakistani security officials, New York Times said that the Taliban leaders have been warned against carrying out free-lance negotiations, where Islamabad is excluded.

"The message from the ISI is: no flirting," the paper said quoting a western diplomat.

Times said the warnings from the ISI to Taliban come in the backdrop of new reports that Pakistani intelligence had used CIA to capture the Taliban No 2 Mulla Abdul Ghani Baradar from the port city of Karachi in last January because they wanted to shut down secret talks that militia leaders had been conducting with Afghan government that excluded Pakistan.

The paper said in the weeks after Baradar's capture, Pakistani security officials had detained as many as 23 Taliban leaders, many of whom had been enjoying the protection of Pakistan government for years.

But now, Times said, the Taliban leaders who were detained had been set free to fight US forces again inside Afghanistan. Among those released include Mullah Qayoom Zakir, Abdul Kabir and Abdul Rauf Khadeem.

"We picked up Baradar and others because they were trying to make a deal without us," Times quoted a senior Pakistani security official as saying.

"We protect the Taliban. They are dependent on us. We are not going to allow them to make a deal with Karzai and the Indians," the official told the paper.

Times said, the account now being offered in Islamabad
on Baradar's arrest highlights Pakistan's policy on Afghanistan: retaining decisive influence over the Taliban, thwarting arch enemy India and putting Pakistan in a position to shape Afghanistan post war political order.

Quoting a senior NATO officer in Kabul, the report said that in arresting Baradar and other Taliban leaders Pakistan may have been trying to buy time to see if president Barack Obama's strategy begins to prevail.

If it does, the Pakistani spy agency may eventually decide to let the Taliban make a deal. But if the Americans fail -- and if they began to pull out -- then it may decide to retain the Taliban as their allies.

"We have been played before," the senior NATO officer said. "That the Pakistanis picked up Baradar to control the tempo of negotiation is absolutely plausible."

After capturing Baradar, Times said, the Taliban leader had been whisked away by the ISI to Islamabad and de-briefed for a week and Pakistan refused to allow the CIA to interrogate or even to be present when they spoke.

It was only several days later that the CIA had learnt Baradar's identity after helping ISI to capture him, and were allowed to question him.

Times said the Pakistani officials even joked about the CIA's 'naivete'. "They are so innocent," he said.

Contrary to reports, Baradar had not been extradited to Kabul and was living comfortably in the safe house of Pakistan's ISI, the paper said.