Why is that only among pashtons raises groups like Taliban and Khalq? one which will kill for not praying other used to kill for simply praying.(a relative of mine was taken away since he used to pray at his job and to this day no one knows wt happens to him.) Does Pashton culture promote extremism?
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ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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Azmal,
When was that that the relative was taken away? Was he a government worker when Khalq was in power?
How do you know it was for praying?
Those bloodthirsty people in power then would arrest anybody on NO EVIDENCE.
Just to terrorize.
Taliban is concerned with purity of life and faith. Don't group them together with Communists!!!
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He was taken away during Amin rule, he used to work in sedarat and there was no other reason why they took him away other then he used to be religion and prayed in his office.Originally posted by Catya Sher View PostAzmal,
When was that that the relative was taken away? Was he a government worker when Khalq was in power?
How do you know it was for praying?
Those bloodthirsty people in power then would arrest anybody on NO EVIDENCE.
Just to terrorize.
Taliban is concerned with purity of life and faith. Don't group them together with Communists!!!
You certainly need a definition of "purity of life and faith" as what the taliban were doing when they where in power were nothing short of savagery and Jahalyat…just like Khalqis who were tool at the hands of Roskies the Taliban are proxy of Afghanistan number one number Pakistan. Both sold out, both jahal, both extremist. both brought nothing but destruction and death to Afghanistan.ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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I'm not trying to assert that the Taliban regime was perfect. However, there is NO comparison between that time, which seems NOW regarded as relatively peaceful COMPARED with all other turbulent eras in Afghanistan's recent history, and the nightmarish Soviet-backed rule of Amin. As we all know, in typical KGB style, when he was no longer deemed pliable enough, they sent commandos to shoot him and his family. It's the KGB way. You need to read up on THEM to understand how thoroughly EVIL any KGB-run foreign regime would be.
Dr Najib, head of Khad, was a supreme KGB agent. I think of him as the Stalin of Afghanistan. Study Stalin's reign of terror in Soviet Russia.
It will explain why your relative was whisked away. Did the family try to find him at Pul-i-Charki but they said they had no information, I would assume?
The Taliban made their mistakes but they were NOT evil.
You have to be fair and see the difference.
They were striving for God's purposes, they felt that way, but sometimes erred.
Communists work directly under the Devil's orders!
Re your other post on the other thread I guess, I personally am very glad your community was confident enough to stand up and reject the Saudi imam. Afghans need Afghans, not Saudis.
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Yes, it's really a very good quality.
No one else in all of Europe or Asia stood up to the Red Army.
In Hungary and Czechoslovakia, some small outbursts of resistance to the Soviet putdowns of their uprisings were quickly squashed by Moscow.
The ONLY country and people in the entire world to fearlessly stand up to the Sovs were: the Pashtuns. Because they're tough and they won't put up with dark, evil invasions of their lands. Other groups in Afghanistan also stood up, but Pashtuns deserve credit as the fiercest fighters and most uncompromising.
European nationalities would have made a deal immediately. Not the Afghan Pashtuns, they kept fighting til the Soviets gave up.
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Originally posted by Catya Sher View PostI'm not trying to assert that the Taliban regime was perfect. However, there is NO comparison between that time, which seems NOW regarded as relatively peaceful COMPARED with all other turbulent eras in Afghanistan's recent history, and the nightmarish Soviet-backed rule of Amin.
The peacefulness of taliban was that of a jail...where any voice, any idea any person deemed opposing were jailed, or killed just like that of Khalqis...worst people were jailed in Taliban time for pitiful reason...i have a friend who was jailed for not growing long beard...his cousin was beaten by taliban for simple wearing clean cloths.
As we all know, in typical KGB style, when he was no longer deemed pliable enough, they sent commandos to shoot him and his family. It's the KGB way. You need to read up on THEM to understand how thoroughly EVIL any KGB-run foreign regime would be.
I don't need to read about them, my family experience the savagery of bloody Commies first hand, two of my uncle, my father and other relative spend years in their jail for no other reason then having high position in Shayed Doud khan gov.
Dr Najib, head of Khad, was a supreme KGB agent. I think of him as the Stalin of Afghanistan. Study Stalin's reign of terror in Soviet Russia.
It will explain why your relative was whisked away. Did the family try to find him at Pul-i-Charki but they said they had no information, I would assume?
The Taliban made their mistakes but they were NOT evil.
You have to be fair and see the difference
They were striving for God's purposes, they felt that way, but sometimes erred.
Communists work directly under the Devil's orders!
Re your other post on the other thread I guess, I personally am very glad your community was confident enough to stand up and reject the Saudi imam. Afghans need Afghans, not Saudis.
Taliban were more evil, they kill in name of Islam that makes it more evil...anyone that oppose their Pakistani slavery were killed.... in north they killed thousands of helpless Uzbak and Hazara and tajiks...in Shomali valley they burn the whole grapeyard… Pashtons too that oppose them were murdered… Ahad Khan Karzia and Shayed Hakim Khan Katawazi were both murdered by taliban... its just pathetic that we cannot call a criminal since we have soft spot for them….a dog is a dog no matter it comes under level of socialism/communism or under good name of Islam.
ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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A very simplification...the reason afghans were able to resist soviet has to do more with US/west help then so called bravery and toughness... off course the brave was part of it but you simply can not fight tanks and Hind helicopter gunship with stones or rusty British raj area weaponry… you need Stinger and RPG. The bottom line was the soviet invasion and soviet war was never afghans war, it was war between two super power which burn Afghanistan and destroy us totally…and paksitan rich....and for this I only blame the bloody commies.Originally posted by Catya Sher View PostYes, it's really a very good quality.
No one else in all of Europe or Asia stood up to the Red Army.
In Hungary and Czechoslovakia, some small outbursts of resistance to the Soviet putdowns of their uprisings were quickly squashed by Moscow.
The ONLY country and people in the entire world to fearlessly stand up to the Sovs were: the Pashtuns. Because they're tough and they won't put up with dark, evil invasions of their lands. Other groups in Afghanistan also stood up, but Pashtuns deserve credit as the fiercest fighters and most uncompromising.
European nationalities would have made a deal immediately. Not the Afghan Pashtuns, they kept fighting til the Soviets gave up.
It was bloody commies that legitimatize the Pakistanis proxy war against Afghanistan and turn it into war of liberation...Massod, Golbodin, Rabbani and other criminals could never enjoy the popularity if it was not for commies... and amazingly Massod himself attested to this during one of his interview...he states when Pakistani send him to created Fetnah in Punjshir during Daud time, people of Punjshir chase them...he was wounded and most of his comrades killed...when commies took over...the punjshir themselves turn to massod and supported him.
ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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Besides, projection of Pashtuns as extremists serves many interests...those of the world powers to justify their politics of global domination, of Punjabis to conceal their own terrorist links and regional designs to accoplish through such links, and of voilent groups like MQM, etc. to margenalise Pashtuns in the economic and political life of city like Karachi....
We have few friends and and many foes.Last edited by Toramana; 08-22-2010, 03:43 PM.
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Originally posted by Toramana View PostAzmal, was the existance and deads of Hitler an indication of the extremism of Germans. Revolutions and bloody coups occur everywhere. Why should we generalise on the basis of that?
Off course it was...or the German would have not elected those Nazis to began with. Question is why both extremist...left and right are running the show in our sociality?
ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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