Unity of Pashtuns based on Language and Ethnicity Will Never Happen

[شمله ور خراساني]

As salaamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

People are of all kinds and sorts. With various ideologies, beliefs and inerests.

We cannot assume that a group of people can just unite with one another because they share the same language or ethnicity.

If that would have been the case, then Pashtuns would have always been united. But it is not so. Because despite common language, culture and ethnicity, Pashtuns are extremely divided.

This is not something exclusive to Pashtuns. People of all creeds, persuasions and origins are divided.

Today, the entire Muslim world is divided. We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents.

We can't expect people to be united just because it fullfils our desires. We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it.

As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite.

I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people.

There are only a few people we agree with. And a small group of people who are in agreement with each other is much better than to unite with people who are nihilists and materialists.

[Dust]

But before Islam came people were already settled among themselves. Why is it that you want to remove the borders? The British had a strategy of divide and rule and you have a strategy of removing the borders.

The British caused ethnic division which led to violence and you will cause ethnic violence within the borders. Not everyone will accept Islam. You need to understand this.

Both you and the British want to play with the borders. What is the difference? At least the British established infrastructure. They knew how to tap the resources, at least. What will you do, destroy infrastructure, as history suggest? You have no resources. You can't even tap into the resources that are already available.

What you are suggesting is Theocratic Colonization. No different than the British or the Former Soviet Union, just with a twist.

[amna.]

Of course it will happen. I would love to see Jalalbad unite with Peshawar. We have the same language and same culture.

We were not united before because of our leadership.

[Dust]

However, do keep in mind that what Sangar is suggesting is to unite the Chinese, the Russians, the Persians, and so on and so forth, under one state. So, therefore, we won't be a homogeneous people, but rather heterogeneous under one ideology, Islam.

[afghan]

As salaamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

People are of all kinds and sorts. With various ideologies, beliefs and inerests.

We cannot assume that a group of people can just unite with one another because they share the same language or ethnicity.

If that would have been the case, then Pashtuns would have always been united. But it is not so. Because despite common language, culture and ethnicity, Pashtuns are extremely divided.

This is not something exclusive to Pashtuns. People of all creeds, persuasions and origins are divided.

Today, the entire Muslim world is divided. We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents.

We can't expect people to be united just because it fullfils our desires. We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it.

As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite.

I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people.

There are only a few people we agree with. And a small group of people who are in agreement with each other is much better than to unite with people who are nihilists and materialists.

do you think we can be united under islamic idialogy? its just a dream, it will never happen, under islam people are more diverse in their thoughts. under which islam are you going to unite us SAudis? ISI's? if you can unite us under anything i am with you, but with out destruction and killings.

[Dust]

Islam is not even united. How can you unite us under Islam? I can't conceptualize this paradox.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Dust]

That was an awesome read. I laughed and cried.

Nice post.

[JAMALUDEEN]

As salaamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

People are of all kinds and sorts. With various ideologies, beliefs and inerests.

We cannot assume that a group of people can just unite with one another because they share the same language or ethnicity.

If that would have been the case, then Pashtuns would have always been united. But it is not so. Because despite common language, culture and ethnicity, Pashtuns are extremely divided.

This is not something exclusive to Pashtuns. People of all creeds, persuasions and origins are divided.

Today, the entire Muslim world is divided. We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents.

We can't expect people to be united just because it fullfils our desires. We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it.

As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite.

I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people.

There are only a few people we agree with. And a small group of people who are in agreement with each other is much better than to unite with people who are nihilists and materialists.

It's ironic, how on one side, they wish to preserve the pure Pashtun blood and pashtunwali, then they want to implement a system which opposes the very same Pashtun Blood and Pashtunwali. How are they going to preserve their language? or Ethnicity? or culture? when everyone can go intermingle with people from different religions, cultures, non-theists and allowed to live under such "GRAND" "Merciful" system. Isn't it going disintegrate them further more as people?

Just my thought, i am all for multiculturalism, al-though most of these nationalists are confused on what they wish to achieve. Please elaborate

[BehavedMaseed]

All this time I have telling members so much about these kind of guys they dont want to see Pashtuns Unite. They want to rename our regions with Arabised Titles, they want to destroy the Pushto Language and prevent us from progressing. They brainwash our people in fairy tales about black flags raising from Afghanistan and Iman Mehdis army from Afghanistan etc they criticse our development of schools but they refuse to criticse the suicide bombing schools for children by Taliban.

Of Course the day will come when Pashtuns will be united, but that day will only come once thes ISI proxies are booted out,expelled or dealt with other means.

Kind Regards

[Dreamer]

As salaamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

People are of all kinds and sorts. With various ideologies, beliefs and inerests.

We cannot assume that a group of people can just unite with one another because they share the same language or ethnicity.

If that would have been the case, then Pashtuns would have always been united. But it is not so. Because despite common language, culture and ethnicity, Pashtuns are extremely divided.

This is not something exclusive to Pashtuns. People of all creeds, persuasions and origins are divided.

Today, the entire Muslim world is divided. We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents.

We can't expect people to be united just because it fullfils our desires. We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it.

As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite.

I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people.

There are only a few people we agree with. And a small group of people who are in agreement with each other is much better than to unite with people who are nihilists and materialists.

no more mullahs thanks

[Azmal]

As salaamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

People are of all kinds and sorts. With various ideologies, beliefs and inerests.

We cannot assume that a group of people can just unite with one another because they share the same language or ethnicity.

If that would have been the case, then Pashtuns would have always been united. But it is not so. Because despite common language, culture and ethnicity, Pashtuns are extremely divided.

This is not something exclusive to Pashtuns. People of all creeds, persuasions and origins are divided.

Today, the entire Muslim world is divided. We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents.

We can't expect people to be united just because it fullfils our desires. We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it.
As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite.

I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people.

There are only a few people we agree with. And a small group of people who are in agreement with each other is much better than to unite with people who are nihilists and materialists.

LOL too much contradiction...i don't think this threat deserve a reply but just for kicks...

"We are seperated from one another because of borders and boundaries imposed by our corrupt political leaders and foreign agents. "


"We need to realize what the reason is for this division and how we can solve it. "

There you have the reason.


"As long as we are ideologically divided, we will never unite."
Let us guess what that idelogy can be...hum hum lol.

"I'd rather unite with non-Pashtuns based on my beliefs and ideology than unite with apostates and nihilists who have invited crusaders into our country and are supporting to degradation and humiliation of our people."


hum wt are you trying to say here? what was the purpose of your post? to bring unity?(need to find the reason as you stated) but you left no ground for unity..basically what your saying is accept my ideology or i will go and to sell out to Arabs, kill my brothers to please them and do Pakistani bidding in Afghanistan--no wonder what you say and preach are exact the same of what Hamid gul and other Pakis preach. its exact the same line in line… and bring nothing but death, destruction to our people so thanks but no Thanks..we do not need your ideolog ..what you preach is nothing but a filth in eye of God, and our people.
The fact is...idea changes and so is belief...but blood never changes...it will always be ticker then water.

[شمله ور خراساني]

But before Islam came people were already settled among themselves.

Have I said anything that suggests otherwise?

Why is it that you want to remove the borders?

Because unification of people with common interests is better for stability and prosperity. Currently artificial borders are created to marginalize regions power structure.

The British had a strategy of divide and rule and you have a strategy of removing the borders.

Yes, the benefited from dividing people and ruling over them. We will benefit if we expand our borders for political and economic reasons. It is beneficial for us in order to grow and prosper and progress.

The British caused ethnic division which led to violence and you will cause ethnic violence within the borders.

You are accusing me of something totally ridiculous. Muslims are against ethnic conflicts and nationalism.

Not everyone will accept Islam. You need to understand this.

Speak for yourself. The number of apostates, disbelievers, hindus and sikhs is less then a fraction of our total population in Afghanistan.

Both you and the British want to play with the borders. What is the difference?

The difference is that we want a stable, prosperous and developed nation based on Islam. The british wanted to exploit us.

At least the British established infrastructure.

The purpose of building roads and railroads was for 2 purposes: fast deploiment of armed forces to quash resistence. And to exploit the natural resources of the regions more efficiently. They were never interested in our local needs.

By comparing Muslims and the Muslim desire for self determination with british colonialism you are actually making yourself look ridiculous. And if you are trying to be funny, then you fail miserably.

They knew how to tap the resources, at least.

Tap resources to help us? Don't think so.

What will you do, destroy infrastructure, as history suggest?

No. Destroy the forces who oppose our self determination and progress. Primarily foreign forces, apostates and nihilist servants and proxies of neighboring countries.

You have no resources.

We have Allah. Allah is sufficient for us.

You can't even tap into the resources that are already available.

Inshaa allah, when we have a stable and sovereign state we will.

What you are suggesting is Theocratic Colonization.

Nonsense.

No different than the British or the Former Soviet Union, just with a twist.

Those empires, soviet and british were both greedy materialists. We only want to do whats right for the sake of allah.

Comparing us with disbelievers reveals your lack of understanding.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Islam is not even united. How can you unite us under Islam? I can't conceptualize this paradox.

Thats a false statement. Islam is not something subject to unity or disunity. Islam is the ultimate truth, the only truth.

People are divided and misguided. Only the people who remain steadfast on the straight path will unite. Even if it is only a handful, it is better than to unify with deviants and disbelievers.

[شمله ور خراساني]

do you think we can be united under islamic idialogy?

No. People are weak. They are easily deviated. And division is unavoidable. however, only a small group of people might agree with each other and unite upon Islam. Most will follow their whims and desire.

if you can unite us under anything i am with you, but with out destruction and killings.

I do not wish to be united with people who are hostile to Islam and support occupation and humiliation of my people by Americans.