Pashtun Nationalists Hatred and Animosity for Ghiljay Pashtuns

[amna.]

Ijaz nationalism is the only why we can strive tobsee Pashto rise. Ahmad Shah was also a nationalist. We need nationalists to help save us from extremism.

Ijaz mong yaw sha leader pakaar dey.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Ijaz nationalism is the only why we can strive tobsee Pashto rise. Ahmad Shah was also a nationalist. We need nationalists to help save us from extremism.

Ijaz mong yaw sha leader pakaar dey.

Ahmed Shah was a nationalist? Is that why his children spoke Farsi and he appointed all Farsiwans, Uzbeks, Hazara's, and even Sikhs as governors?

LOL


EDIT: even his special guard were all non Pashtuns.

[Azmal]

As salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

When the British empire colonized the subcontinent and tried to subdue the Afghans, the Ghiljay tribes have faught fiercely to prevent the british from gaining foothold in the region.

While Yousefzai, Afridi and Khattak tribes were partially subdued and their men were fighting alongside the British invaders, the Ghiljay repelled the charge by British army at Gandumak. Similarly, Southern Ghiljay tribes and Abdalis defeated the British at Maiwand.

The Karlani tribes of Junubi region ( Loy Paktia & Waziristan) were similarly associated with the Ghiljay tribe in their jihad against the invaders.

When the Ghiljay tribesmen rejoiced when Afghanistan was officially declared independent, they soon found out that the new king, Amanullah Khan wanted to secularize Afghanistan. While thousands and thousands of Ghiljay tribesmen died in battle to prevent the British Empire from subduing us and secularizing Afghanistan, the new king who only became king thanks to the tremendous sacrifice of the Ghiljay & Karlani tribes, wanted to do the exact same thing.

This discontent with the new king was exploited by the British to mobilize a thief, Habibullah Kalakani to start a rebellion against Amanullah Khan.

Soon, the Ghiljay tribe joined the rebellion because they were opposed to the secular regime in Kabul.

During the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, the Ghiljay tribesman, Najibullah Ahmadzai faught a fierce battle against various branches of his own Ghiljay tribe in Nangarhar, Logar, Kunar, Paktia & Khost.

Thousands of civilians died because of Russian artilery and SCUDS used by Najibullah to attack villages and homes of Ahmadzai tribesmen in Hisarak, Azra and other core areas of the Ghiljay tribe.

Because Najibullah was a communist, he felt no sympathy for human life. Neither did he have any remorse and relentlessly ordered the killings of his own tribesmen.

It is a known fact that majority of the Taliban were inititially from the Ghiljay tribe. Especially the non- Kandahari Taliban.

Mullah Omar himself is a Hotaki Ghiljay. And likewise, many prominent figures of the Taliban movement hailed from the Ghiljay tribe.

In all three of the aforementioned conflicts, the Pashtun Nationalists critisize the role of Ghiljay tribe.

In Afghanistan Ghiljay tribe is known for its conservative and orthodox image. Ghilji have always faught on the frontline against any invader.

Pashtun Nationalists disrespect the largest Pashtun tribe in Afghanistan. And their contribution to our independence and resistance against invaders.

Today, all northern regions of Afghanistan, like Takhar, Kunduz, Balkh, Baghlan and Badghis have large pockets and enclaves where the Ghiljay tribesmen dwell.

Pashtun Nationalists argue here that those regions should be surrendered to Tajik Nationalists.

Why i think your a Pakistani Monfaeq who is using Islam and Ghalji card to put fitnah among Pashtons. For your information founder of Afghan Melat party and its current president Ahady are both Ghaljia... over all we are all just Pashtons...but i despise those brain death half educated people that are getting brainwashed into Islamic Ummah and other bs stuff…the same low lifes who are doing Pakistan bidding in Afghanistan.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

You are now implying that Pashtun Nationalism is synonimous to Durrani tribal confederation.

This absolutely false.

We all know that the Panjpay branch of Durrani tribe is against the colonists and the puppet regime of Hamid Karzai. Similarly, many Barak and Popal Duranis oppose his regime.

But Pashtun nationalists all across the world sing songs of praise for crusaders.

ANP and their propagandists here on PF keep defending Karzai and praising him and Americans.

You just want this thread to be closed because you are an insecure Pashtun Nationalist with divided interests. On the one hand you want to be a devout Muslim. On the other hand you are deeply intoxicated by this European ideology of Nationalism which is created to divide Muslims.

You need to choose a side. Either it is the kaafir nihilists of Pashtun Nationalism. Or the Muslims and Islam.

You literally made me laugh Sangara (made my day),khair

Where exactly through my previous posts have i implied Pashtun Nationalism to be a Durrani confederation?

Based on what are you judging me to be insecure and provoking me to either chose Islam or Pashtunwali?

Sangar Khana take a few moments by reading your main post and this one,you will see how much are you contradicting yourself.On one hand you are pointing that all Pashtun Nationalists hate Ghiljis and Karlanis because they are Durranis,and when i asked you to prove it,now you are twisting the fact by saying:i think Pashtun nationalism to be a Durrani confideration.

I am the one who is telling you that Pashtun Nationalism is a non Durrani confederation.

The "Assabiyah" used in Muhammad Pbuh's hadith is FASCISM my friend and i am not a fascist.I do not consider Pashtuns to be superior than other humans/nations and nor have i run out of tolerance of co existence with fellow human beings that are not Pashtun.

I am a Pashtun that is raising his voice for due Pashtun rights,promotion of Pashto language in the regions where Pashtuns dwell, development,education,providence of basic necessities of life and preservation of classic Pashtun traditions (off course that do not contradict Islamic commandments).
Do the above make me a Kafir or less of a Muslim?

[ComradePashtun]

you are mentioning majority and minority etc here. You should provide evidence for your claim.

You prove your claim, and what absolves you from proving your BS. Unless you don't you are a munafiq, razeel, jasoos and khaeen.

[ComradePashtun]

Millatpal,

Presumption is another trait of these Talibans who think they are close to god and are above every one else. This guy is just an inconsistent fool who is more of a self-ecntric and tribal-centric than any one. He doesn't even have the brain to keep consistence.

[ijaz yousafzai]

Great! another ranting and lying Pashtun Nationalist.

Every Pakhtun is a nationalist by blood. Look, if some one happed to tell you che, " Ta kho hado Pushtun na yei", i am sure you will run for his neck.

Mirwais Neeka's revolt was not a Pashtun revolt. There were thousands of Hazara and Tajiks fighting alongside their Pashtun brethren against the Safavid opressors.

You are fabricating your own version of history. Mirwais Neeka, predominantly engaged Pashtuns in his movement against Gurgeen.He went on clandestine jirgas with the Pashtuns to get his goal.

Mirwais Neeka was not a filthy fascist you people like to portray him. He was a decent man.

You still need to learn manners like an educated Pakhtun. Sane people know the difference between fascism and nationalism, for which you need to take further classes. You only know to beat about the bush in your each and every post.
Btw, what you think about Behlol Lodhi, Sher Shah Suri ( both ghalzais of Lodhi and Suri sub tribe) and Khushal Khan Khattak, Emal Khan and Darya Khan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

You literally made me laugh Sangara (made my day),khair

Where exactly through my previous posts have i implied Pashtun Nationalism to be a Durrani confederation?

Based on what are you judging me to be insecure and provoking me to either chose Islam or Pashtunwali?

Sangar Khana take a few moments by reading your main post and this one,you will see how much are you contradicting yourself.On one hand you are pointing that all Pashtun Nationalists hate Ghiljis and Karlanis because they are Durranis,and when i asked you to prove it,now you are twisting the fact by saying:i think Pashtun nationalism to be a Durrani confideration.

I am the one who is telling you that Pashtun Nationalism is a non Durrani confederation.

The "Assabiyah" used in Muhammad Pbuh's hadith is FASCISM my friend and i am not a fascist.I do not consider Pashtuns to be superior than other humans/nations and nor have i run out of tolerance of co existence with fellow human beings that are not Pashtun.

I am a Pashtun that is raising his voice for due Pashtun rights,promotion of Pashto language in the regions where Pashtuns dwell, development,education,providence of basic necessities of life and preservation of classic Pashtun traditions (off course that do not contradict Islamic commandments).
Do the above make me a Kafir or less of a Muslim?

you are not getting off that easy. I did not say Pashtun Nationalism is Durrani tribal conf. I said, when you demand me to close this thread on the grounds that it instigates durrani-ghalji rift it implies that pashtun nationalists are durrani.

And the rest of your post is useless.

Pashtunwali is not pashtun Nationalism.

You are deliberately trying to change the discourse here. Face it. None of you people dares to challenge my initial post. All I see is Pashtun Nationalists whining and weeping and shouting foul play at me.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

you are not getting off that easy. I did not say Pashtun Nationalism is Durrani tribal conf. I said, when you demand me to close this thread on the grounds that it instigates durrani-ghalji rift it implies that pashtun nationalists are durrani.

And the rest of your post is useless.

Pashtunwali is not pashtun Nationalism.

It happens when one runs out of logic and answers.
Isn't twisting and manipulation haraam in Islam

[شمله ور خراساني]

Every Pakhtun is a nationalist by blood. Look, if some one happed to tell you che, " Ta kho hado Pushtun na yei", i am sure you will run for his neck.

You are fabricating your own version of history. Mirwais Neeka, predominantly engaged Pashtuns in his movement against Gurgeen.He went on clandestine jirgas with the Pashtuns to get his goal.

You still need to learn manners like an educated Pakhtun. Sane people know the difference between fascism and nationalism, for which you need to take further classes. You only know to beat about the bush in your each and every post.
Btw, what you think about Behlol Lodhi, Sher Shah Suri ( both ghalzais of Lodhi and Suri sub tribe) and Khushal Khan Khattak, Emal Khan and Darya Khan.

Do You have any evidence, any historic book that supports your claim that Mirwais Neka was a fascist?

Because I have enough evidence to prove Mirwais Neka's men were not just pashtuns, but Hazara's and Tajiks too.

You cannot prove he raised an army because he was a bigotted fascist like you Pashtun fascists.

[شمله ور خراساني]

It happens when one runs out of logic and answers.
Isn't twisting and manipulation haraam in Islam

i am not twising or manipulating. It is you who are trying to change the discourse here. For obvious reasons.

[ComradePashtun]

Mirwais Neeka's revolt was not a Pashtun revolt. There were thousands of Hazara and Tajiks fighting alongside their Pashtun brethren against the Safavid opressors.

Typical Pashtun Nationalists lying and chaning historic facts.

Why are you pathetically lying, you hypocrite liar? When did thousads of Tajiks and Hazaras fight along side with Mirwais Neeka? Just because how we lean towards our Pashtun heritage, by reading that you are half Tajik, so now you are even lying on behalf of you Tajiki background. Zip it. Atleast we are not liars and forgerers like you.

NO NO NO TO YOU TALIBAN!

[ComradePashtun]

Stop making a circus clown out of yourself, just say you are an attention seeking lying Talib propagandist. Absolute majority of us don't have it in common with you.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Stop making a circus clown out of yourself, just say you are an attention seeking lying Talib propagandist. Absolute majority of us don't have it in common with you.

[Dust]

Sangar, the Pashtun existed way before Islam. Why is it that we have to be shackled to it. A guest became the landlord?