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    As salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    When the British empire colonized the subcontinent and tried to subdue the Afghans, the Ghiljay tribes have faught fiercely to prevent the british from gaining foothold in the region.

    While Yousefzai, Afridi and Khattak tribes were partially subdued and their men were fighting alongside the British invaders, the Ghiljay repelled the charge by British army at Gandumak. Similarly, Southern Ghiljay tribes and Abdalis defeated the British at Maiwand.

    The Karlani tribes of Junubi region ( Loy Paktia & Waziristan) were similarly associated with the Ghiljay tribe in their jihad against the invaders.

    When the Ghiljay tribesmen rejoiced when Afghanistan was officially declared independent, they soon found out that the new king, Amanullah Khan wanted to secularize Afghanistan. While thousands and thousands of Ghiljay tribesmen died in battle to prevent the British Empire from subduing us and secularizing Afghanistan, the new king who only became king thanks to the tremendous sacrifice of the Ghiljay & Karlani tribes, wanted to do the exact same thing.

    This discontent with the new king was exploited by the British to mobilize a thief, Habibullah Kalakani to start a rebellion against Amanullah Khan.

    Soon, the Ghiljay tribe joined the rebellion because they were opposed to the secular regime in Kabul.

    During the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, the Ghiljay tribesman, Najibullah Ahmadzai faught a fierce battle against various branches of his own Ghiljay tribe in Nangarhar, Logar, Kunar, Paktia & Khost.

    Thousands of civilians died because of Russian artilery and SCUDS used by Najibullah to attack villages and homes of Ahmadzai tribesmen in Hisarak, Azra and other core areas of the Ghiljay tribe.

    Because Najibullah was a communist, he felt no sympathy for human life. Neither did he have any remorse and relentlessly ordered the killings of his own tribesmen.

    It is a known fact that majority of the Taliban were inititially from the Ghiljay tribe. Especially the non- Kandahari Taliban.

    Mullah Omar himself is a Hotaki Ghiljay. And likewise, many prominent figures of the Taliban movement hailed from the Ghiljay tribe.

    In all three of the aforementioned conflicts, the Pashtun Nationalists critisize the role of Ghiljay tribe.

    In Afghanistan Ghiljay tribe is known for its conservative and orthodox image. Ghilji have always faught on the frontline against any invader.

    Pashtun Nationalists disrespect the largest Pashtun tribe in Afghanistan. And their contribution to our independence and resistance against invaders.

    Today, all northern regions of Afghanistan, like Takhar, Kunduz, Balkh, Baghlan and Badghis have large pockets and enclaves where the Ghiljay tribesmen dwell.

    Pashtun Nationalists argue here that those regions should be surrendered to Tajik Nationalists.
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    Wasn't Najibullah a ahmadzai ghiljai? And I am pretty sure the ANP pkmap and Afghan meelatiyaan like Mirwais Neeka...unless they all have been lying. This is a little far fetched Sangar.
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    • #3
      Likewise, Pashtun Nationalists discredit the Karlani tribe. The Karlanis have faught fiercely against invaders.

      The reason why FATA is more autonomous than Peshawar, is not because some communist hindu loving Bacha Khan went on hunger strike. Or an alcoholic Ghani Khan wrote perverted poetry in jail cell.

      But Because Mullah Powinda and Faqir of Ipi made the lives of the British Emperialists miserable.

      Never have I seen Pashtun Nationalists mention these men and their achievements.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
        Wasn't Najibullah a ahmadzai ghiljai? And I am pretty sure the ANP pkmap and Afghan meelatiyaan like Mirwais Neeka...unless they all have been lying. This is a little far fetched Sangar.
        it is not far fetched.

        Pashtun Nationalists always say negative things about any conflict where the Ghiljay were involved in repelling secularists, crusaders and communists.

        People on this forum blatantly support the communist regime of the 80's and the current puppet regime of thieves and crusaders. And likewise people insult those Ghiljay tribes who faught against Amanullah Khan's secularism.
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        • #5
          You know, when we go to school/college/university, we are supposed to learn HOW to express ourselves well, or at least in a way that we don't end up generalizing.

          Examples: Instead of saying "People," we should say, "SOME people" or "MANY people" or "it seems that most people."

          When you say "Pashtun nationalists," it automatically means "ALL Pashtun nationalists"; you should therefore say, "SOME nationalist Pashtuns" or "MANY nationalsit Pashtuns" or "the Pashtun nationalists I have encountered" -- so as not to generalize.

          Another thing education is *supposed* to teach us is to *explore* any connections between practices and theories or concepts. For instance, what is it IN Pashtun nationalism or nationalism in general that commands that people show hatred of any kind towards others? I don't see any. Just like we always say that you can't judge Islam by the practices of those Muslims who kill and hurt people, you can't judge nationalism by the practices or even beliefs of those who call themselves nationalists. Remember that all humans have more than one labels normally attached to them, whether by themselves or by others. As such, Pashtun Nationalists aren't just nationalists -- they're Pashtuns, Muslims, people ... they have political, religious, ethnic, social, and many other types of titles as well. Why must you choose the nationalist one particularly?
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          • #6
            I think he is showing signs of defeat and insecurity towards Pashtun Nationalists.

            At the end of the Day, Pashtun Nationalists on this forum have made it clear that they want the unity of all Pashtuns as one.

            On the other hand Sangar doesnt even accept Pashtun Unity and wants to rename the Pashtun region with Khorasan an Arabised Title.

            His friend ezatullah says its not Islamically correct to Unite Pashtuns.

            Has Sangar mentioned his friend ezatullahs remarks about Pashtun Unity?

            No he Hasnt. He just as usual like many Alqueda, Taliban and other Proxies of ISI and CIA they want to prevent the unification of Pashtuns and make us slaves of bedion Arabs,Tajiks and Punjabis.

            Kind Regards

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            • #7
              Uniting upon language and ethnicity is indeed wrong and un-islamic.

              Who would want to unite with a pansy kaafir who insults the religion of 40 million Pashtuns?

              Originally posted by BehavedMaseed View Post
              I think he is showing signs of defeat and insecurity towards Pashtun Nationalists.

              At the end of the Day, Pashtun Nationalists on this forum have made it clear that they want the unity of all Pashtuns as one.

              On the other hand Sangar doesnt even accept Pashtun Unity and wants to rename the Pashtun region with Khorasan an Arabised Title.

              His friend ezatullah says its not Islamically correct to Unite Pashtuns.

              Has Sangar mentioned his friend ezatullahs remarks about Pashtun Unity?

              No he Hasnt. He just as usual like many Alqueda, Taliban and other Proxies of ISI and CIA they want to prevent the unification of Pashtuns and make us slaves of bedion Arabs,Tajiks and Punjabis.

              Kind Regards
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                As salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

                When the British empire colonized the subcontinent and tried to subdue the Afghans, the Ghiljay tribes have faught fiercely to prevent the british from gaining foothold in the region.

                While Yousefzai, Afridi and Khattak tribes were partially subdued and their men were fighting alongside the British invaders, the Ghiljay repelled the charge by British army at Gandumak. Similarly, Southern Ghiljay tribes and Abdalis defeated the British at Maiwand.

                The Karlani tribes of Junubi region ( Loy Paktia & Waziristan) were similarly associated with the Ghiljay tribe in their jihad against the invaders.

                When the Ghiljay tribesmen rejoiced when Afghanistan was officially declared independent, they soon found out that the new king, Amanullah Khan wanted to secularize Afghanistan. While thousands and thousands of Ghiljay tribesmen died in battle to prevent the British Empire from subduing us and secularizing Afghanistan, the new king who only became king thanks to the tremendous sacrifice of the Ghiljay & Karlani tribes, wanted to do the exact same thing.

                This discontent with the new king was exploited by the British to mobilize a thief, Habibullah Kalakani to start a rebellion against Amanullah Khan.

                Soon, the Ghiljay tribe joined the rebellion because they were opposed to the secular regime in Kabul.

                During the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, the Ghiljay tribesman, Najibullah Ahmadzai faught a fierce battle against various branches of his own Ghiljay tribe in Nangarhar, Logar, Kunar, Paktia & Khost.

                Thousands of civilians died because of Russian artilery and SCUDS used by Najibullah to attack villages and homes of Ahmadzai tribesmen in Hisarak, Azra and other core areas of the Ghiljay tribe.

                Because Najibullah was a communist, he felt no sympathy for human life. Neither did he have any remorse and relentlessly ordered the killings of his own tribesmen.

                It is a known fact that majority of the Taliban were inititially from the Ghiljay tribe. Especially the non- Kandahari Taliban.

                Mullah Omar himself is a Hotaki Ghiljay. And likewise, many prominent figures of the Taliban movement hailed from the Ghiljay tribe.

                In all three of the aforementioned conflicts, the Pashtun Nationalists critisize the role of Ghiljay tribe.

                In Afghanistan Ghiljay tribe is known for its conservative and orthodox image. Ghilji have always faught on the frontline against any invader.

                Pashtun Nationalists disrespect the largest Pashtun tribe in Afghanistan. And their contribution to our independence and resistance against invaders.

                Today, all northern regions of Afghanistan, like Takhar, Kunduz, Balkh, Baghlan and Badghis have large pockets and enclaves where the Ghiljay tribesmen dwell.

                Pashtun Nationalists argue here that those regions should be surrendered to Tajik Nationalists.


                Mullah Omar sha saray dai, kho khar da khudai dai when it comes to ruling Afghanistan in modern age, da khudai banda. It doesn't matter if he is Ghilzai like you, that could be unfortunate you highness, or his followers are Isakzai, Noorzai or Popalzai or Khoswals. Mullah Omar aw his inner circle ISI dasi gholawee che da khpal backside na hum khabar na di.

                How can you claim the above.

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                • #9
                  @ Sangar,

                  After reading your post,i have two questions if you could respond to;

                  Majority of Pashtun nationalists in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been and ARE either Ghiljai or Karlani,what Pashtun nationalists are you referring to?
                  The only non Ghiljai/Karlani Pashtun nationalist i know is Mehmood Khan Asakzai and thats about it.

                  Though Mullah Omar is a Kandahari Ghiljai but majority of Taliban came from Abdali/Durrani tribes and still are:if you may name a few Ghiljais that held higher posts in Taliban era?

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                  • #10
                    you are mentioning majority and minority etc here. You should provide evidence for your claim.



                    Originally posted by Millatpal Noorzai View Post
                    @ Sangar,

                    After reading your post,i have two questions if you could respond to;

                    Majority of Pashtun nationalists in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been and ARE either Ghiljai or Karlani,what Pashtun nationalists are you referring to?
                    The only non Ghiljai/Karlani Pashtun nationalist i know is Mehmood Khan Asakzai and thats about it.

                    Though Mullah Omar is a Kandahari Ghiljai but majority of Taliban came from Abdali/Durrani tribes and still are:if you may name a few Ghiljais that held higher posts in Taliban era?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                      you are mentioning majority and minority etc here. You should provide evidence for your claim.
                      You have posted and claimed stuff that you need to reply for,i guess question for a question is not gonna work.

                      Please answer my questions.

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                      • #12
                        The biggest Pakhtun nationalist, who can be termed as the "Father of Pakhtun nationalism" was Mir Wais Neeka" a Ghalzai ( Hotak) by lineage.He practiced the pholosophy of Pakhtun nationalism, when other races were yoked under tyranny of church and religion.People consider the French Revolution ( 1789 A.D) as the harbinger of Nationalism, whereas Mir Wais Baba used it as a political instrument against the Safavid expansionism, much before the French Revolution. The Ghalzais ( Lodhis) kings established Pakhtun soveriegnities with the might of Pakhtun nationalism in India. We have our cherished glorious history when our leaders practised Pakhtun nationalism, which established the Pakhtuns as a formidable nation all over the World. However extremist talibanization, has now ruined our image, portraying us as headless terrorists all over the World. The Taliban have taken responsibillity for numerous bloody carnage of the innocent Pakhtun women, children and peaceful citizens, which surpass the atrocities of Changiz Khan,Hitler and other notorious enemies of the huminity. Pakhtuns have been pushed behind by centuries to gain their glory. I wonder how a sane Pakhtun individual would support such savage buchers and homosexuals?
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                        • #13
                          I think this thread should be removed Sangar Khana,more than knowledge it brings a rift between Pashtuns by Ghilji-Durrani dispute.

                          I guess we are grown and smart enough not to believe in such divisions.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ijaz yousafzai View Post
                            The biggest Pakhtun nationalist, who can be termed as the "Father of Pakhtun nationalism" was Mir Wais Neeka" a Ghalzai ( Hotak) by lineage.He practiced the pholosophy of Pakhtun nationalism, when other races were yoked under tyranny of church and religion.People consider the French Revolution ( 1789 A.D) as the harbinger of Nationalism, whereas Mir Wais Baba used it as a political instrument against the Safavid expansionism, much before the French Revolution. The Ghalzais ( Lodhis) kings established Pakhtun soveriegnities with the might of Pakhtun nationalism in India. We have our cherished glorious history when our leaders practised Pakhtun nationalism, which established the Pakhtuns as a formidable nation all over the World. However extremist talibanization, has now ruined our image, portraying us as headless terrorists all over the World. The Taliban have taken responsibillity for numerous bloody carnage of the innocent Pakhtun women, children and peaceful citizens, which surpass the atrocities of Changiz Khan,Hitler and other notorious enemies of the huminity. Pakhtuns have been pushed behind by centuries to gain their glory. I wonder how a sane Pakhtun individual would support such savage buchers and homosexuals?
                            Great! another ranting and lying Pashtun Nationalist.

                            Mirwais Neeka's revolt was not a Pashtun revolt. There were thousands of Hazara and Tajiks fighting alongside their Pashtun brethren against the Safavid opressors.

                            Typical Pashtun Nationalists lying and chaning historic facts.

                            Mirwais Neeka was not a filthy fascist you people like to portray him. He was a decent man.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Millatpal Noorzai View Post
                              I think this thread should be removed Sangar Khana,more than knowledge it brings a rift between Pashtuns by Ghilji-Durrani dispute.

                              I guess we are grown and smart enough not to believe in such divisions.
                              You are now implying that Pashtun Nationalism is synonimous to Durrani tribal confederation.

                              This absolutely false.

                              We all know that the Panjpay branch of Durrani tribe is against the colonists and the puppet regime of Hamid Karzai. Similarly, many Barak and Popal Duranis oppose his regime.

                              But Pashtun nationalists all across the world sing songs of praise for crusaders.

                              ANP and their propagandists here on PF keep defending Karzai and praising him and Americans.

                              You just want this thread to be closed because you are an insecure Pashtun Nationalist with divided interests. On the one hand you want to be a devout Muslim. On the other hand you are deeply intoxicated by this European ideology of Nationalism which is created to divide Muslims.

                              You need to choose a side. Either it is the kaafir nihilists of Pashtun Nationalism. Or the Muslims and Islam.
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