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    SPY TALK: Jeff Stein

    Everything that is terrifying about Washington’s relationship with Pakistan can be summed up in the Wikileaks documents on Hamid Gul, a former chief of the ISI, Islamabad's intelligence service.

    The documents portray Gul as the public face of an underground Pakistani military network that appears to be working to destroy the U.S. effort to create a pro-West Afghanistan.

    A hawk-like man with laser black eyes, Gul's animosity toward the United States is well known. But the audacity of his plotting with the Taliban and even al-Qaeda, as represented in the documents, has the ability to shock.
    If the documents are to be believed -- and the uncorroborated U.S. intelligence reports must be read with caution -- Gul has taken a direct hand in quarterbacking attacks against U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan.
    Gul calls the reports "fiction and nothing else."

    In mid-December 2006, one report says, Gul met with “senior members of the Taliban leadership in Nowshara, Pakistan,” during which he said he had dispatched three insurgents to Kabul to carry out attacks with improvised explosive devices during the celebration of Eid, a Muslim holiday.

    “Gul instructed two of the individuals to plant IEDs along the roads frequently utilized by Government of Afghanistan and ISAF vehicles,” the intelligence report says. “The third individual is to carry out a suicide attack utilizing a suicide vest against" Afghan government or NATO targets.

    “Make the snow warm in Kabul,” he told the bombers, according to the report. “Set Kabul aflame.”

    “Gul reportedly has received approximately 50 of these mines in order for them to carry out their operation,” the report said.

    In January 2008 Gul also directed the Taliban to kidnap high-level United Nations personnel in Afghanistan to trade for captured Pakistani soldiers, according to another report.

    “The (Taliban) group led by (Qari) Naqibullah,” it said, “is working with the coordination of retired Pakistani General Hamid Gul. This group is targeting un vehicles marked with black lettering, which Naqibullah believes is an indicator that the vehicle is carrying high level UN officials or members of the UN intelligence service.”

    “Naqibullah,” it added, “has been instructed by Gul to place a higher priority in securing the release of the Pakistani soldiers.”

    * * *
    While not proven, the allegations that the Taliban would take orders from Gul are not surprising.

    After the Red Army left Afghanistan in 1989, he and fellow Islamists in the ISI midwifed the fundamentalists into a fighting force that took Kabul and ruled the country with a puritanical zeal until they were ousted by U.S.-led forces after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    But if another U.S. intelligence report released by Wikileaks is to be believed, Gul has also been working hand-in-glove with al-Qaeda.

    On Jan. 5, 2009, the report says, insurgents in the Pakistani tribal zone of South Waziristan met to discuss taking revenge for the death of a Taliban commander killed in a CIA drone attack.

    “Also in attendance were three unidentified older Arab males, who were considered important” because they were accompanied by “approximately 20 Arab bodyguards,” said the report, which originated with the U.S. Army’s Task Force Castle engineering group.

    “Hamid Gul, a former member of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was in attendance at the meeting also,” the report said. “Hamid Gul was described as being an older man and a very important person from ISI.”

    Gul “encouraged (their) leaders to focus their operation inside of Afghanistan in exchange for the government of Pakistan's security forces turning a blind eye to the presence of (their) commanders and fighters in Pakistan,” the report said.

    Gul also had a tip for al-Qaeda and the insurgents: ”The aerial threats in the area were controlled from the airport in Wana,” the largest town in South Waziristan.

    * * *

    Gul was also accused by the late Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto of authoring the first assassination attempt upon her after her return to Pakistan.

    And so on. None of this is a surprise to U.S. officials, who have had to live with the Pakistani army’s duplicity on Afghanistan since coalition forces toppled the Taliban in late 2001.

    The first reaction Pakistan’s leadership to the Wikileaks reports was telling.
    "These reports reflect nothing more than single-source comments and rumors, which abound on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, the Pakistani ambassador said in a prepared statement, “and are often proved wrong after deeper examination."

    Gul's first reaction was to call the allegations “absolute nonsense.”
    “I have had no hand in it,” he told The New York Times, adding, “American intelligence is pulling cotton wool over your eyes.”
    The ex-general had a more measured response later.

    “Report of my physical involvement with al-Qaeda or Taliban in planning attacks on American forces is completely baseless,” Gul told The Wall Street Journal. “I am not against America, but I am opposed to what the American forces are doing in Afghanistan.”

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    Yaraa to be frank I am getting tired of this american complaining. On one hand they prop up this state and on the other they complain. They are just like their maeranae zwee Pakistan in this regard. If they are this concerned it is time to sideline them.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by shlombay
      This is a very ignorant response BLS. As you know Americans voice is represented by different parties and thousands of organizations.

      There are some Jews in my University that say DEATH TO ISRAEL. and some Jews who will shoot us both for Israel. Some Americans are intelligent(like the majority of us) and they possess high degrees so they know how Pakistan is a terrorist nation.

      The USA has the worlds most RICHEST people why did they not donate to Pakistan?? because they know Pakistan being a terrorist nation they will misuse the funds to buy more defense missiles.
      You missed the point of what I posted. This has to do with US foreign policy and military policy towards Pakistan. This has nothing to do with what x y z organizations do within US. For the past 10 yeas they have funded, propped and armed to teeth the same organization they are complaining against. This isn't the first time, this is one of the many.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
        You missed the point of what I posted. This has to do with US foreign policy and military policy towards Pakistan. This has nothing to do with what x y z organizations do within US. For the past 10 yeas they have funded, propped and armed to teeth the same organization they are complaining against. This isn't the first time, this is one of the many.

        Yes, This is the logic and reasoning of Pashtun Nationalists: Americans must be really stupid to invest billions of dollars arming Pakistan. And at the same time unable to see the obvious. That Pakistan is using all the money to fund the Taliban who are defeating NATO in Afghanistan.

        According to this kind of Pashtun Nationalist logic, Punjabis are supermen. They are superior human race. They outsmart everyone.

        But only Pashtun Nationalists are superior to Punjabis. Because they have figured everything out. America is funding Pakistan. Pakistan is funding Taliban. And Taliban is defeating NATO.

        What Pashtun Nationalists want was made apparent by the reply of Jan Assakzai to me, all the money and funding that goes to Pakistan should be given to Pashtun Nationalists. So they can tattoo Ghani Khan's poetry on their body with gold ink and shut down all mosques and madrassahs. And make Ghani Khan's poetry our constitution. And change pashto script to Roman script. And surrender northern regions of Afghanistan to non-Pashtuns. Even though Baghlan, Kunduz & Badghis are primarily Pashtun dominated enclaves.

        It all makes allot of sense. I should become a Pashtun Nationalist too.
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        • #5
          Hamid Gul is loved by all Afghan Taliban just as they sent 20 man jirga to release Col imam in Miram Shah

          Taliban are proxies of ISI and coward Mullah Omar is hiding in Pakistan.

          Kind Regards

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          • #6
            ^ maybe he is hiding in south waziristan..go get him tiger..lolz
            Last edited by Guest; 08-20-2010, 11:57 PM.

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            • #7
              Go to North Waziristan and you will see Afghan taliban drinking tea together with Pak Army. Taliban supporters only speak very loud and tough on forums but go and see for yourself and you will be shocked.

              Kind Regards

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              • #8
                why does Pak army suppport wazirs and attack maseeds...if all talibs are in razmaak??

                why all the attcks on makin etc...??

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                • #9
                  Further remarks from General Hamid Gul came from an interview the anti-New World Order media outlet, with the bizarre, unpleasant sounding name, Prison Planet.
                  In some quarters, its head, Alex Jones has almost a cultic popularity.
                  I do not find him sufficiently anti-Israel. If anti-Israel at all.
                  But sometimes he comes up with films, such as the much-watched "The Obama Deception" - an hour, available free online - which do shed light on the economic problems of the US and Europe. Too jazzy and loud for me but revealing, if anyone can shield their ears and eyes to watch if you have not already.

                  Here is a summary of his interiew with Hamid Gul.
                  By the way, Fareed Zakaria is a big Trilateral/Bilderberger voice. Not to be trusted, EVER, EVER, EVER.

                  There are 5 videos of Gul's interview. I don't know how to post videos so I didn't add them. If anyone is interested, they can be dug up.

                  Hamid Gul: Only God could help America





                  Lt. General Hamid Gul (retired) was interviewed on Alex Jones show on August 16, 2010, during which he debunked several Zionists’ allegation against him in the past and some of which have been repeated in the recent faked Wikileaks.



                  The General, who served as head of country’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) during 1987-89 and helped the Afghan Mujahideen to defeat the Red Army – complained that all the interviews given to western reporters were censored and the public was not allowed to learn his true message: “My version (of events) is not going out to America, I have been denied entry into the US because they (US’s ZOG government) is afraid that I will speak the truth. People will listen to the truth…”


                  Hamid Gul believes that the neocons (mostly Jewish) who control US government have created the so-called ‘War on Terror’ to exploit the Caspian Sea oil reserves, prevent Chinese influence and make sure that no Islamic power emerges in the region – And to provide a security shield to the State of Israel by promoting destabilization inside neighbouring countries. He believes all these imperial designs are doomed to fail.
                  Below are some of the highlights of Hamid Gul’s statements he made during the interview:


                  “Fareed Zakaria (of CNN), recorded me for twenty minutes and he put out only six minutes of my version. Obviously, he wanted to keep the American people in the dark about the truth I told him,” said Gul.


                  “Speak the truth, you have failed (in Afghanistan) because your own policy makers have not come up with the recipe that was required. Your own Generals were not up to the tasks which were given to them, so why don’t you accept the failure rather than rub the blame on someone else (Hamid Gul)?” he said.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
                    Further remarks from General Hamid Gul came from an interview the anti-New World Order media outlet, with the bizarre, unpleasant sounding name, Prison Planet.
                    In some quarters, its head, Alex Jones has almost a cultic popularity.
                    I do not find him sufficiently anti-Israel. If anti-Israel at all.
                    But sometimes he comes up with films, such as the much-watched "The Obama Deception" - an hour, available free online - which do shed light on the economic problems of the US and Europe. Too jazzy and loud for me but revealing, if anyone can shield their ears and eyes to watch if you have not already.

                    Here is a summary of his interiew with Hamid Gul.
                    By the way, Fareed Zakaria is a big Trilateral/Bilderberger voice. Not to be trusted, EVER, EVER, EVER.

                    There are 5 videos of Gul's interview. I don't know how to post videos so I didn't add them. If anyone is interested, they can be dug up.

                    Hamid Gul: Only God could help America





                    Lt. General Hamid Gul (retired) was interviewed on Alex Jones show on August 16, 2010, during which he debunked several Zionists’ allegation against him in the past and some of which have been repeated in the recent faked Wikileaks.



                    The General, who served as head of country’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) during 1987-89 and helped the Afghan Mujahideen to defeat the Red Army – complained that all the interviews given to western reporters were censored and the public was not allowed to learn his true message: “My version (of events) is not going out to America, I have been denied entry into the US because they (US’s ZOG government) is afraid that I will speak the truth. People will listen to the truth…”


                    Hamid Gul believes that the neocons (mostly Jewish) who control US government have created the so-called ‘War on Terror’ to exploit the Caspian Sea oil reserves, prevent Chinese influence and make sure that no Islamic power emerges in the region – And to provide a security shield to the State of Israel by promoting destabilization inside neighbouring countries. He believes all these imperial designs are doomed to fail.
                    Below are some of the highlights of Hamid Gul’s statements he made during the interview:


                    “Fareed Zakaria (of CNN), recorded me for twenty minutes and he put out only six minutes of my version. Obviously, he wanted to keep the American people in the dark about the truth I told him,” said Gul.


                    “Speak the truth, you have failed (in Afghanistan) because your own policy makers have not come up with the recipe that was required. Your own Generals were not up to the tasks which were given to them, so why don’t you accept the failure rather than rub the blame on someone else (Hamid Gul)?” he said.
                    I remember that interview...BTW alex jones invited mostly due to his comments on 9/11 on Fareed's show. Hamid Gul's own history is not that great, his own daughter runs a questionable bus transportation business, his role in the soviet war, his corruption as well is known in many circles. He is the typical cheerleader within the circles in Pakistan military outfits. Beats me why you would post a dukhman of Afghanistan like him. Lolzz btw America has failed there but so did his own country. Pot calling the kettle black eh.
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                    • #11
                      Re BLS -

                      I'm not saying he's perfect, and I was wondering about that daughter in the bus business too. Something bothered me about her. i'm not sure what specifically, as I don't have enough info. Why do you consider her business questionable? It was billed as a help for women particularly to travel safely and for all to travel efficiently.
                      I don't know anything about the company though, have not used their buses.
                      What is questionable there?

                      Is Hamid Gul REALLY corrupt? In what sense, like he has billions stashed outside the country? What are the rumors, and is there even any evidence for them?

                      I'm trying to be objective.

                      I think he has a right to defend himself against the ridiculous sounding charges made in those papers.
                      He gave 1,000 motorcycles? That sounded stupid from the start. People will believe any of those concocted stories if they see it's to their benefit, especially when pointing fingers at Pakistan.

                      The Canadian columnist, conservative Eric Margolis, who mentioned having met Hamid Gul in the 80s at the height of the latter's authority, was the most astute in catching on to this Blame Game phenomenon.

                      He wrote a column: "Can't Win In Afghanistan? Blame Pakistan" quite awhile ago, way before the current phase. I think it never appeared in the American media, despite the soundness of the writer's background in Pakistan-Afghanistan topics.

                      No one would have heard Hamid Gul's side very well had not Alex Jones jumped in.
                      But Jones WAS criticized for trying to slant the questions to extract anti-New World Order comments.
                      He should have asked more about the Gul's own specialties, the commentator remarked.
                      So the interview should have been done better. But better than nothing at all to get out more truth to general American audiences.
                      Last edited by Catya Sher; 08-25-2010, 09:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
                        I'm not saying he's perfect, and I was wondering about that daughter in the bus business too. Something bothered me about her. i'm not sure what specifically, as I don't have enough info. Why do you consider her business questionable? It was billed as a help for women particularly to travel safely and for all to travel efficiently.
                        I don't know anything about the company though, have not used it.
                        What is questionable there?

                        Is Hamid Gul REALLY corrupt? In what sense, like he has billions stashed outside the country? What are the rumors, and is there even any evidence for them?

                        I'm trying to be objective.

                        I think he has a right to defend himself against the ridiculous sounding charges made in those papers.
                        He gave 1,000 motorcycles? That sounded stupid from the start. People will believe any of those concocted stories if they see it's to their benefit, especially when pointing fingers at Pakistan.

                        The Canadian columnist, conservative Eric Margolis, who mentioned having met Hamid Gul in the 80s at the height of the latter's authority, was the most astute in catching on to this Blame Game phenomenon.

                        He wrote a column: "Can't Win In Afghanistan? Blame Pakistan" quite awhile ago. I think it never appeared in the American media, despite the soundness of the writer's background in Pakistan-Afghanistan topics.

                        No one would have heard Hamid Gul's side very well had not Alex Jones jumped in.
                        But Jones WAS criticized for trying to slant the questions to extract anti-New World Order comments. He should have asked more about the Gul's own specialties, the commenter reasonably wrote.
                        Hamid gul is a classic hawk in the Pakistani establishment, and his views in the 80s and 90s basically solidified it. He isn't a very sound man, in fact he once said that they would have invaded India but they felt sorry for indian muslims. And to be honest the west is right about Pakistan (not that peerangyaan are any better, but they know their step son very well). True, west bungled in Afghanistan, but Pakistan has played a very negative role (in the context of the region and Pashtuns)....it is a highly irresponsible policy that is rearing its ugly head in Pakistan.

                        About his daugter's Varaan business, well they had quite a monopoly on the transportation in islamabad and Pindi. They had a case due to the death of an individual from her buses. Google varaan and hamid gul....and this was due to her father's connections. Previously there was a case I believe against him pertaining to some land (I believe the article is in urdu..I will try to find it).

                        He has a right to defend himself, but not to bs. And if you see his stuff in media, he bs's more than defends himself. It is ironic his critique of America applies more and harder on his own country. He is a pakistanae patriot so his interest revolve around Pakistan and then he gift wraps it in islam <--those people are the worst enemies of Afghanistan and Pashtuns...far worse than even Britain or America.
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                        • #13
                          Well, none of that so far sounds anything more than any usual individual in the public eye may face.

                          Do you have any other reason to believe he is not sound than the one reported statement?

                          Is he fabulously wealthy? I doubt it. That would be one indication of having taken advantage of the Afghan war in the 80s and later.

                          Your criticism seems to revolve around his trading on Pashtun and Afghan lives to further Pakistan's goals, am I right?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
                            Well, none of that so far sounds anything more than any usual individual in the public eye may face.

                            Do you have any other reason to believe he is not sound than the one reported statement?

                            Is he fabulously wealthy? I doubt it. That would be one indication of having taken advantage of the Afghan war in the 80s and later.

                            Your criticism seems to revolve around his trading on Pashtun and Afghan lives to further Pakistan's goals, am I right?
                            Yes basically, since the army and ISI of Pakistan is immensely corrupt and have basically built a state within a state. I suggest you read Aisha Siddiqui's work on Army Inc...it will give you an idea of these army types in Pakistan. It is basically a corporation with a piece of real estate called Pakistan (pashtun baloch areas being their periphery).

                            He is wealthy and if I find the article I will send it to you. However, can you read and understand urdu?
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