Afghan Nationalism, Islamic Nationalism/Fascism, and Pashtun Nationalism

[Toramana]

Why is it that Islamo-fascism (pan-islamism, etc. )and Afghan Nationalism are ok for many members here but the moment anybody talks of Pashtun nationalism, such behavior is associated with "racism"? Doesn't it smack of hypocrisy and malevolent intentions?

Obviously, Islamo-fascists want to unite all Muslims to conquer followers of other religions by force and impose on them (and the rest of non-complacent Muslims) their tunnel view of life.

Afghanists on the hand have other dreams i.e., they want to eastblish Pashtun hegemony over other ethnicities by over-stretching and over-extending the semantics of the word "Afghan" and associating with it some broader meanings. (It would an effort in futility looking at the miserable situation of Pashtuns).

We Pashtun nationlists on the contrary want self-rule on the territiories between Hindukush and Indus contiguous to each other and with majority of inhabitants as Pashtuns. We don't want to snatch one inch of other people land neither want to concede one inch of our own land to other people.

Which stance is more humanistic and non-racist by the way?

[Feroza_Banu]

^with that note... the thread should be closed

[ijaz yousafzai]

Afghan nationalism has been lamentably diverted to " state- nationalism". It has lost its original meaning, where it was synonimous with Pashtun nationalism.Islamic nationalism ( pan-Islamism) is a failed theory, as proved in Bangladesh.

[BehavedMaseed]

Its because these people can not see a successful Pashtun nation, they still desire to see Pashtuns as proxies of Arabs and Punjabis and see the future of the Pashtun nation being ruled and intermingled with Pakistan and Farsiwan Afghanistan.

This is why they get upset when you mention Pashtun Nationalism.

They brag all day about how Afghan fought this and that in the past but at present Afghan doesnt even make up a majority of Pashtuns let alone the decline of the language of Pushto, same with Pakistan.

These people will tell you to fight Pakistan and spread the loy Afghanistan flag into the air and accept Tajiks as your brothers and sisters, if for instance this happens, I garantee you those Afghans will betray you just as those Pro Pakistan Pashtuns will.

We need a strong unified Nationalist Movement whereby the likes of Hekmatyar, Mullah Omars,baitullahs and amir muqabs, and latif pedrams and other enemies of Pashtuns are put into the books of history.

Kind Regards

[khyaal]

One should differentiate between having contradictions with another nation or ethnic group and subjugation to another more powerful nation. Pashtuns in Lar Pakhtunkhwa have contradictions with all other nations inside Pakistan but it doesn't mean they all are our enemies, but the case of Punjab is different, they have subjugated us, we don't have any democratic rights in Pakistan, i.e., control over our land and the structure of government institutions in Pakhtunkhwa, we couldn't change the name of our province without the consent of Punjab. We can't unify our land with that of the people of Southern Pakhtunkhwa although Baloch people don't have any problem with it. So in Pakistan our status like that of Baloch, Sindhis, Seraikis is that of a colonized nation. And we all know that Bengal had the same problem with Punjab/Pakistan.

But in Afghanistan Pashtuns might have contridictions with Ozbek, Turkman, Hazara etc., but they are not our enemies. They have the same contradiction with each other too. No one is above the other and all have equal constitutional rights.

You claim that Pashtuns have a dream of establishing their hegemony over other ethnic groups in Afghanistan, but astonishingly a few friends from Lar Pakhtunkhwa have complaints about the subjugated status of Pashto and Pashtuns. So this means you people even don't have a clear idea of the actual situation of Afghanistan. I believe that Pakistan has spoiled our nature transforming some of us into some cynic and belligerent people who are always in search of finding new enemies.

[BehavedMaseed]

^with that note... the thread should be closed

Well without offence, those Anti Pakistan threads should also be closed.

Not all Pashtuns have had a friendly exchange with Tajiks as you have.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

Stop looking for enemies all the time, the biggest enemy of a pashtun is his own pashtun. If he can be tricked by others to destroy you, then PASHTUNS like that are more dangerous than any foreigner....So stop blabbering on about your nonsense...#

Wanting something doesn't mean you will get it, you are in no position to WANT rather our people have been made to be beggers by the so-called nationalists, because they diverted their energies to a cause which is not a cause but a demise of a people.

[BehavedMaseed]

Stop looking for enemies all the time, the biggest enemy of a pashtun is his own pashtun. If he can be tricked by others to destroy you, then PASHTUNS like that are more dangerous than any foreigner....So stop blabbering on about your nonsense...#

Wanting something doesn't mean you will get it, you are in no position to WANT rather our people have been made to be beggers by the so-called nationalists, because they diverted their energies to a cause which is not a cause but a demise of a people.

Nationalists have made Pashtuns into Beggers?

What kind of fantasy do you swim in?

Let me remind you Mr Saifullah, it is people such as these Tablighi Jamiet Pukhtuns who have made PAshtuns into Beggers.

Show me where your local Pukhtun Mullah has ever promoted the Pushto language besides ending every letter with alhamdullah.

It was not Pashtun Nationalists who begged hamid gul,col imam and fled to Pakistan to be trained by ISI to overthrow a Pashtun Nationalist govt in Afghanistan.

Learn about Politics instead of these petty insults towards Nationalists.

Let me remind, the pashtun nationalists in Pakhtunkhwa are at this very day promoting the language of Pushto while your Islami Jihadi Terrorist ISI are promoting suicide bombings and 72 virigns in the afterlife

Kind Regards