Is it allowed for Muslims to create Political parties, Groups?

[شمله ور خراساني]

السلام علیکم و رحمة الله و برکاته

I would like to ask the people who are members of political parties and movements to explain to me if their membership is in accordance to Islam or not.

Because as much as I know, forming groups and political movements is against Islam.

[eusuphxai]

is taliban a political party?

[Millatpal Noorzai]

سنګره اوس ده سیاسی مبارزی لار هم راباندی تړی که څه؟

[شمله ور خراساني]

is taliban a political party?

Taliban are not a political party. They are a grass roots movement. They do not have a political theory or ideology like socialism, or Ikhwanism. They were formed to restore order and to implement shariah.

Restoring order and implementing shariah are political activities. But political activism does not require forming political parties based on some sort of ideology other than Islam.

[شمله ور خراساني]

سنګره اوس ده سیاسی مبارزی لار هم راباندی تړی که څه؟

Siyaasi mubareza is not dependant on some sort of political ideology other than Islam. A political party usually uses a certain ideology. Like Nationalism and socialism or liberalism.

Ikhwan al Muslimeen was also a political party. And they claim they use Islam as an ideology. But the reality is that their ideology and theory was based on John Locke's Two Treatise of Government, Carl Marx's Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital etc.

A political movement or an Islamic activist movement that uses alien ideas are un-Islamic. And are considered as Hizbiyyah. Hizbiyyah causes division among Muslims.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Of course its allowed. Why shouldn't it be allowed? Without politics Islam and a Nation can never progress.

nations and nations-states are a creation of Europeans. Today we have a Pakistani nation and an Afghani nation. Both are not really nations. And the existence of such nations never will bring peace and stability. Because we keep refering to one another as them and us.

[شمله ور خراساني]

We live in the 21st century where there are tons of cultures and languages. Each nation caters to Religious beliefs as well as cultural beliefs. In France kissing is the norm, in Kabul wearing a Burka is a norm.

If all Nations they would obviously need a state language right? Arabs will push for Arabic. Indians will push for Hindi. The dutch would push for Dutch.

With the above given analyzation Nations are a great creation and are required. Try mixing Germany and Holland.

Sorry, but thats one of the most stupid things ever. So if we accept your "analyzation" (LOL) Orgun should seperate itself from Paktika and the rest of Afghanistan because they speak a different dialect and have different costums than other Ghiljay tribes in the region.

Korengal should seperate itself as an independant nation because there they speak a different dialect and have different customs. Waziristan should seperate itself as a seperate nation because they speak a different version of Pashto.

We can endlessly go on and point out differences to seek seperation and disunity.

But this is the mentality of primitive tribalist people. This is exactly why Pashtuns are one of the most backward people of the world. Because of out emphasis on differences.

[شمله ور خراساني]

[QUOTE=Aseer Jaan;124476]You are being very narrow-minded here. We are talking in Nations and National cultures. You said Nations are useless. I easily showed you that you are wrong since we have so many cultures and languages a nation must also cater to its people(Bangladesh)

just because there are differences, it does not mean we should divide people into different nation-states.

Just look at Afghanistan. If we follow your reasoning then Hazara's in Afghanistan would need their own country. Since they have not much in common with the rest of us. They are Mongoloid Shi'ites who speak a diferent dialect.

[شمله ور خراساني]

so if everyone seperates from one another, where is the end? Sooner or later Qandahar will be divided because Abdalis and Ghiljay want their own seperate state.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Wow.. Aseer jan. You have totally convinced me. The bhangra and attan thing did the trick for me. Thank you.

[Catya Sher]

I had to laugh.
Aseer Jan, yu missed the sarcasm....

I would like to hear about the Ikhwan ideology.
How did it come from those odious places?
You mean Hassan al-Banna and Sayd Qotb were using Communist ideas?
How has that come to light?
I never heard about it!

[شمله ور خراساني]

^I think Sangar made that one up. Sayd Qotb did not use communist ideas.

The Leninist Revolutionary Manifesto of Sayyid Qutb

[Catya Sher]

He went to the Communist International ? Scandalous.
More info should be provided on that point, if possible to find so much later.

Wonder whether these points have embarrassed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt today?

[شمله ور خراساني]

the brotherhood denies everything. Plus the brotherhood changes its views every now and then. Its not a tangible movement.

They are played out. Nobody is considering them as a seriour movment anymore. They had their time. All is left are some jokers like al qaeda who are doing anything possible for their last attempt at glory and fame.

[Catya Sher]

I figured they would deny such new info.

Is there any or much al-qaeda left anyway ? Supposedly they did originally base a lot on the ideas of S.Q. But these findings would discredit the original leaders who are supposed to have been eager disciples of his.

I read an interview saying that Ayman al-Z had earlier, before 2001, crossed into former Russian territory and was - it was claimed - trained by some f.s.b. types. At least there was some info he had met with them.
If that report is credible, then the long hidden links to Russia would taint the entire group.
Wow, that would be great to expose the whole thing from start - S.Q. - to finish. IF this theory of a linkage should be accurate.
Interesting what you said about their last grab for attention...is that indicating at all that what that movement amounts to is over-inflated egos?
With Soviet & russian hidden influence at various junctures casting its long shadow over them?