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    Ethnic Clashes


    Young man killed during clashes between ethnic minorities in Kabul
    Kotay Sangi a district in the West of Kabul was the scene of sporadic violence between two ethnic minorities in the Afghan capital resulting with the Afghan army killing one young man.

    Amir Dad, 18, was killed at Kotay Sangi when the ANA soldiers opened fire on the people, after the people was demonstrating against Kochi's invasion in west of Kabul.

    Kotay Sangi a district in the West of Kabul was the scene of sporadic violence between two ethnic minorities in the Afghan capital.

    The Afghan National Army had to quell the violence with bursts of gunfire to disperse the crowd killing an 18 year old young man named Amir Dad.

    The violence broke out after the Hazara population that reside in the West of the capital were protesting at the influx of Kochi’s settling in the district.

    The Kochi’s are a nomadic community that travel across Afghanistan spending their winters in Pakistan and their summers in Afghanistan. The community have a very distinctive culture; most Kochi’s have unique tattoos and fashion that has even spread over to the West. They carry most of their belongings on decorated camels, donkeys or horses. Throughout history Afghans have had a relaxed attitude towards the Kochi tribes, however recently tensions have been escalating.

    The Hazara minority of Afghanistan are hereditary Mongolians that have suffered discrimination as part of Afghans linking the ethnic groups to the Mongolian invaders, the only empire that managed to defeat Afghanistan in history. The word Hazara literally translates as “thousand” believed to be the number of Mongolians that remained in Afghanistan following Genghis Khan’s removing his military units from the country.
    Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

  • #2
    Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
    Ethnic Clashes


    Young man killed during clashes between ethnic minorities in Kabul
    Kotay Sangi a district in the West of Kabul was the scene of sporadic violence between two ethnic minorities in the Afghan capital resulting with the Afghan army killing one young man.

    Amir Dad, 18, was killed at Kotay Sangi when the ANA soldiers opened fire on the people, after the people was demonstrating against Kochi's invasion in west of Kabul.

    Kotay Sangi a district in the West of Kabul was the scene of sporadic violence between two ethnic minorities in the Afghan capital.

    The Afghan National Army had to quell the violence with bursts of gunfire to disperse the crowd killing an 18 year old young man named Amir Dad.

    The violence broke out after the Hazara population that reside in the West of the capital were protesting at the influx of Kochi’s settling in the district.

    The Kochi’s are a nomadic community that travel across Afghanistan spending their winters in Pakistan and their summers in Afghanistan. The community have a very distinctive culture; most Kochi’s have unique tattoos and fashion that has even spread over to the West. They carry most of their belongings on decorated camels, donkeys or horses. Throughout history Afghans have had a relaxed attitude towards the Kochi tribes, however recently tensions have been escalating.

    The Hazara minority of Afghanistan are hereditary Mongolians that have suffered discrimination as part of Afghans linking the ethnic groups to the Mongolian invaders, the only empire that managed to defeat Afghanistan in history. The word Hazara literally translates as “thousand” believed to be the number of Mongolians that remained in Afghanistan following Genghis Khan’s removing his military units from the country.
    Kochiyaan are pashtaana (minus a few baloch) they shouldn't be considered a group away from the rest of Pashtuns(Afghans). Having said that these type of clashes help no one and cause problems in the greater scheme of things. Are there any attempts to alleviate this?
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    • #3
      ^ Nopes. This is the outcome of our government's ignorance after years of protests by both Kochis and Hazaras, and I agree that Kochis are also one of us but I was just trying to deliver the news as per sources. I guess the Afghan media didn't want to make it a even bigger issue by portraying this as 'Pukhtoon-Hazara clashes', if you know what I mean.
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      • #4
        Hazara's have purchased all of Kabul's surrounding areas with Iranian & Ismaili money.

        They even purchased land from a criminal in our village who sold portions of our land with flase documents.

        If you go to Kabul, there are so many hazara's there it looks like you are in MOngolia.

        Iran is deporting these people and giving their political elite the money to buy off Kabul.

        This is a political move by Iran to influence the politics of the growing capital.

        Kochian have nobody to support them. Most of htier cattle was stolen by warlords. Due to decline in water level, pastures have turned into deserts. And they cannot defend themselves with arms from bandits and criminals because they are not allowed to have lashkars anymore.
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        • #5
          Kochian had camped out in the surroundings of Darlaman, upon seeing that, the Hazaras had went and burnt one of the Kochians "kegdai" tents. The kochian had then evacuated their families and came back for revenge. They shot a couple of hazaras, next morning they Hazaras started to protest, they broke majority of the Kote Sangi area shops and some cars. This is what caused the chaos, because there are other ethnicities in Kote Sangi that owns buildings and shops.
          People were pissed and shocked at their actions, thats why Tajik and Pashtun warlords were getting their men ready for revenge. Some Panjsheris and Paghmanian had also sided with the kochian. Qomandan Tufan ham paron nafar warta ghwand karee wo. Hazaras are in deep trouble, they know that, the minute they do something like that, the entire country is going to butcher them.

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          • #6
            Aseer Kochian have nothing, Hazaras are being funded by IRAN, AGHA KHAN and the ENTIRE WEST. These are all conspiracies, they have nothing to do with minor incidents. They are motivated by big players, trust me..

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            • #7
              if you have seen videos of Kochian stealing from Hazara homes, then my view shouldn't really matter. Video is more solid, but have you seen the Kochian part of the story also?
              Because obviously Hazaras have the cameras, Kochian barely know what a camera is...

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              • #9
                Hazaras are not Iranian

                Dear

                For your kind information Hazaras are not Irani as you alleged that Hazaras have purchased lands from the support of Iran. There are many Hazaras who belong to sunni. Hazaras are also not invader as the statue of Budha which demolished by crule Pashtoons Hazaras are living in thier ancestral land that great gharjistan as u all know which was invaded by a nation who belonged to Jews. It is the history do not deny. Hazaras are TURK not mangolian RATHER Hazaras had fought with mangol and had defeated the changez khan army in Bamyan. it is history


                Noyan
                Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                Hazara's have purchased all of Kabul's surrounding areas with Iranian & Ismaili money.

                They even purchased land from a criminal in our village who sold portions of our land with flase documents.

                If you go to Kabul, there are so many hazara's there it looks like you are in MOngolia.

                Iran is deporting these people and giving their political elite the money to buy off Kabul.

                This is a political move by Iran to influence the politics of the growing capital.

                Kochian have nobody to support them. Most of htier cattle was stolen by warlords. Due to decline in water level, pastures have turned into deserts. And they cannot defend themselves with arms from bandits and criminals because they are not allowed to have lashkars anymore.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Noyan View Post
                  Dear

                  For your kind information Hazaras are not Irani as you alleged that Hazaras have purchased lands from the support of Iran. There are many Hazaras who belong to sunni. Hazaras are also not invader as the statue of Budha which demolished by crule Pashtoons Hazaras are living in thier ancestral land that great gharjistan as u all know which was invaded by a nation who belonged to Jews. It is the history do not deny. Hazaras are TURK not mangolian RATHER Hazaras had fought with mangol and had defeated the changez khan army in Bamyan. it is history


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                  • #11
                    Pawandas also temperory migrate to pakhtunkhwa every year. I have observed them they are very clear people and dont interfere in affairs of local people.

                    Come on afghans, you are not minority in afghanistan yet the puppies of chenghis khan have the audicity to bark at you.

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                    • #12
                      Haga chay mung ba Lewanu shu da SAPRLEY chagay ma ba wahlay chay pa

                      PUKHTUNISTAN khalku ba wail ta Racist ya.........da wakhlay Umbarak sha
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                        Pawandas also temperory migrate to pakhtunkhwa every year. I have observed them they are very clear people and dont interfere in affairs of local people.

                        Come on afghans, you are not minority in afghanistan yet the puppies of chenghis khan have the audicity to bark at you.
                        Luffy Mr.,

                        When you are ignorant of what is going on in Afghanistan, and some one who is nothing but a second class citizen in Pskiatan should be the last one to make remarks of such a stature! This is no war between Pashtuns and Hazaras. This did all start with genuine dispute between a Kuchi community and a Hazara district in central Afghanistan and now it is taken advantage of by certain political entities who want to cash in from it. It seems like those behind the scene who tried to exacerbate the problem would be rather losing more than earning from it. There appears that a new type of politics might well be unfolding in Afghanistan and certain entities are begining to be uneased with it and see things for the worse. These entities are the traditional warlords who are clinging on to thier influence and through playing all their cards are trying to perserve their power. And it is well possible that their interest may also submerge with that of certain regional power, however; this might be just speculative to suggest that there may be external hand in the recent conflict between these communities, directly or indirectly. You never know.
                        Last edited by ComradePashtun; 08-24-2010, 01:13 AM.

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                        • #14
                          Dear comrade kid, i know by external forces you mean Pakistan, as usual.

                          I dont care about persianised pashtuns like you but i do feel for real pashtuns like pawandas/kochis. I felt totally concerned when my ethnic brothers are buctured by uzbeks, hazaras or tajiks across border.

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                          • #15
                            Guys,

                            Muhaqiq backed Karzai in elections. He was asked again and again by journalist if his backing of Karzai would last for ever, and he in return on record have reitereated it that he will back Karzai uncoditionally till the end of his term. I don't know what made him to be so confident of his this unwavering stance he was pledging. Karzai was condemned nationally and international for allying himself with warlords, though he persistently avoided these criticisms. Now see things for yourself through few sequences of events. A rift started to emerge between Karzai and what the power-sharing deal was between him and Muhaqiq. This is when the first clashed between Hazaras and Kuchis began in Wardak, Behsoos district too. Muhaqiq did make alot of noise to somehow seeking leverage on the political side. The issue did create sensitivity between segments of Pashtun political class in particular and nationwide in general. Nevertheless, Karzai did introduce 3 or 4 Hazaara nominees for ministries to the parliamant in the first round, by the way bear in mind these were Muhaqiq's candidates from his clique and clientele. Obviously given his past reputation and his very dividing and secterian stance over the Kuchi and Behsood residents issue - non of them got through from the parliamant and were all refused. This was severe setback for Muhaqiq the warlord and his group. The events have made him and his affiliates increasingly worried and desperate such that they are playing ethic and secterain cards that has been primarily the best strategy in the civil war to mobalise and seek legitimacy. They feel as if they are slept from gaining a foothold in the government this will have them isolated with potentially even longer term consequences - as many others warlords from all ethnicities and creeds do at the moment and these tactics are not exclusive to Hazara warlords either. Now the desperate they get the more secterian they have been in their rethoric which has in turn imued more opposition against him and his group. The second time around Karzai again introduce different Hazaras to the parliamant and they also didn't make it and failed to gain the necessary votes of confidence. Now obviosly 49-50% of the parliamant is made up of Pashtuns, some entities are brushing it as a Pashtun and Hazara issue. Way more than 50% of the parliamant didn't vote for these Hazara nominees which included all backgrounds, while some Pashtuns coming forth and disclosing that they have voted for Hazras. There was major ruckus in tv. shows and debates in Afghanistan last month. Most parliamanterians have made it clear that this not baring and voting against the Hazaras from becong ministers but rather the utter disapproval of the nation towards warlords such as Muhaqiq and his affiliates and warned Karzai to introduce Hazara minister wtihout affiliation with Hezb e Wahdatad and Muhaqiq. Now Karzai has to introduce Hazaras to the parliamant again to get the vote of confidence who will be people with no affiliation with these warmongers and warlods which could bear a lasting impact on the the so called traditional warlord powerbrokers and set a national example concerning all other warlords cross-nation. So as soon as the Hazara community is satisfied and don't feel alienated the sooner these butcher warlords will be booted out of their own communites and would loose all their legitimacy. This will inshallah happen country-wide. This is my observation, I could be wrong somewhere.
                            Last edited by ComradePashtun; 08-24-2010, 01:59 AM.

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