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    Afghan official says any U.S. deal with the Taliban would ‘dishonor’ American troops as relations sink
    By Karen DeYoung

    March 14, 2019 at 7:12 PM



    Relations between the Trump administration and the government of Afghanistan fell to a new low this week, as they exchanged public accusations of bad faith and exposed deep differences over U.S. negotiations with the Taliban.

    On a visit to Washington, the Afghan national security adviser, Hamidullah Mohib, charged that any U.S. deal with the Taliban would “dishonor” American troops who have fought and died in the war. Afghan-born U.S. negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad was acting out of “personal ambition,” Mohib said, and seeking to “create a caretaker government, of which he will become viceroy.”

    In Kabul, U.S. Ambassador John R. Bass responded Thursday on Twitter that it was “Afghan corruption and misuse of equipment, funds and other support provided by the American people” that dishonored the troops. “So do any Afghans who put their personal or political interests ahead of the national interest,” Bass tweeted.

    In a sharply-worded statement, the State Department said Mohib had been “summoned” to a meeting with Undersecretary for Political Affairs David Hale, who reminded him that “attacks on Ambassador Khalilzad are attacks on the Department and only serve to hinder the bilateral relationship and the peace process.”

    President Trump has said he wants to withdraw all 14,000 U.S. troops from Afghanistan, a vow that his top military and civilian aides recently persuaded him to tie to progress in the Taliban negotiations.


    The Afghan government has been excluded from talks between Khalilzad and Taliban representatives, who concluded a lengthy fifth round of negotiations Tuesday in Qatar. Afghan-to-Afghan talks about the country’s future eventually will happen, Khalilzad has said, but the dialogue has focused so far on U.S. counterterrorism concerns and the Taliban demand for foreign troops to withdraw.

    The U.S.-Afghan relationship has been marked by mutual suspicion and exasperation throughout the nearly 18 years since the Afghan war began, when U.S. troops arrived and ousted the Taliban government. But, with the exception of a brief foray under President Barack Obama, successive U.S. administrations have rebuffed repeated Taliban demands to hold direct talks with Washington, saying they should be talking to their own government. The Taliban calls the Kabul government a U.S. “puppet.”

    During his campaign, Trump described the Afghan war as a “total disaster” and vowed to bring home U.S. forces. Instead, a lengthy White House review of Afghanistan policy resulted in the deployment of 5,000 additional troops and a commitment to a “conditions-based” withdrawal with no timetable.

    By most measures, Taliban control of Afghan territory has only increased since then. Last summer, the administration announced the appointment of Khalilzad, a former U.S. ambassador to both Afghanistan and Iraq during the George W. Bush administration, as Trump’s special adviser on Afghanistan.

    His “singular mission,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said at the time, will be “developing the opportunities to get the Afghans and the Taliban to come to a reconciliation.”

    Direct U.S. talks with the Taliban began soon afterward. After the fourth round in January, Khalilzad announced agreement in principle on a draft “framework” for the eventual full withdrawal of U.S. forces, and a Taliban guarantee that Afghan territory would never be used by terrorists — including al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.


    Trump indicated a week later, in his State of the Union address, that there was no date for withdrawal. But “as we make progress in these negotiations,” he said, “we will be able to reduce our troops’ presence and focus on counterterrorism.”

    President Ashraf Ghani’s government, already livid from what it said was a failure by a “disrespectful” Khalilzad to even provide them with a comprehensive briefing on the talks, hit the roof, placing most of the blame on Khalilzad.

    “The last people to find out is us,” Mohib said in a briefing for reporters Thursday. “We get bits and pieces of information,” he said, charging that Khalilzad’s report to Ghani after the January talks “was about six minutes.”

    “In the space of information and reconciliation, there is no transparency . . . and a hell of a lot of tension,” he said. “We are told that Zal,” as Khalilzad is widely known, “is a great diplomat. I’m not sure I buy that. He is ostracizing and alienating a very trusted ally . . . We think either Zal doesn’t know how to negotiate, or there are other reasons behind” his actions.

    Asked what those reasons were, Mohib noted that Khalilzad had twice before expressed interest in running for president of Afghanistan and has numerous friends and contacts among Ghani’s political opponents.

    As it directs its ire toward Khalilzad, Ghani’s government seemed to be trying to avoid blaming Trump.

    When Vice President Pence visited Afghanistan four days before Christmas, Mohib said, he told Ghani that Trump was “not looking to withdraw” but was “looking for peace.” Trump flew in five days later to visit U.S. troops, but met with no Afghan officials.


    “Try to reassure us,” Mohib said, appealing to the White House. “Tell us what the president’s policy is . . . We are asking for our sovereign rights,” he said, and “don’t need colonialist approaches.”

    Ghani has asserted repeatedly that any credible peace negotiations must include Afghan authorities and a cross-section of society, and he has announced that a national jirga, or assembly, will be held next month on the issue.

    But with presidential elections now scheduled for July, Ghani has faced instability within his own administration, as well as political competition and in some cases violent defiance from longtime partisan and ethnic rivals.

    Writing Tuesday on Twitter, at the end of the most recent round of talks, Khalilzad declared that “The conditions for #peace have improved. It’s clear all sides want to end the war. Despite ups and downs, we kept things on track and made real strides.”

    As soon as a newly-completed draft agreement on foreign troop withdrawal and counterterrorism measures was finalized, he said, “the Taliban and other #Afghans, including the government, will begin intra-Afghan negotiations on a political settlement and comprehensive ceasefire.”

    In Senate testimony Tuesday, both Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan expressed support for the talks, which Shanahan called “the best window for peace there in 40 years.”

    Pamela Constable in Kabul and Paul Sonne in Washington contributed to this report.
    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

  • #2
    How pathetic can this puppet regime be?
    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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    • #3
      This guy is a clown but from the perspective of what his job is and who he represents, the anger is justified.

      The most naive thing the Afg govt did was sign the BSA and expecting the US to be Kabul’s big Baba.
      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

      Sayyid Qutb

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      • #4
        Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
        This guy is a clown but from the perspective of what his job is and who he represents, the anger is justified.

        The most naive thing the Afg govt did was sign the BSA and expecting the US to be Kabul’s big Baba.
        Can you shed some light on who he works for?

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        • #5
          Embarrassing pathetic regime. Kinda reminds me of Pakistan. Their anger is legit though.
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
            This guy is a clown but from the perspective of what his job is and who he represents, the anger is justified.

            The most naive thing the Afg govt did was sign the BSA and expecting the US to be Kabul’s big Baba.

            But its their job. Client regimes are created to serve Big Baba.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by khushal View Post
              But its their job. Client regimes are created to serve Big Baba.
              Yes. In this case it’s like the Kabul mistress jealous of their pimp talking to other hoes.

              As Firdousi sad, “embarrassing pathetic regime”
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                Yes. In this case it’s like the Kabul mistress jealous of their pimp talking to other hoes.

                As Firdousi sad, “embarrassing pathetic regime”

                Who is the other hoe?

                The only hoes are the ones asking the US to stay, or the ones who speak in code and secretly wish the US to stay while masquerading their wishes as "facts." You know those Kabul regime supporters in denial who go "US will never leave." It is funny
                Last edited by Insight; 03-17-2019, 12:20 AM.
                "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                  This guy is a clown but from the perspective of what his job is and who he represents, the anger is justified.

                  The most naive thing the Afg govt did was sign the BSA and expecting the US to be Kabul’s big Baba.
                  The anger is justified BUT he is a clown? So you are justifying a prostitute who wants to keep pimping himself out at the expense of other innocent people caught up in this war.
                  "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Insight View Post
                    Who is the other hoe?

                    His comparison was incorrect. Its more like big baba is tired of getting harrased by the cops and can no longer protect the hoe.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Insight View Post
                      Who is the other hoe?

                      The only hoes are the ones asking the US to stay, or the ones who speak in code and secretly wish the US to stay while masquerading their wishes as "facts." You know those Kabul regime supporters in denial who go "US will never leave." It is funny
                      Basically Taliban and Pakistan are willing to offer U.S. a "happy ending" if they leave them alone, so they're hoes.

                      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                      don’t try to be smart.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by khushal View Post
                        His comparison was incorrect. Its more like big baba is tired of getting harrased by the cops and can no longer protect the hoe.
                        I assume you mean the Taliban here ....yeah this is the type of "cop" the Taliban are in this situation...

                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          I assume you mean the Taliban here ....yeah this is the type of "cop" the Taliban are in this situation...
                          How old are you? Serious question.
                          "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Insight View Post
                            How old are you? Serious question.
                            We're here talking about "hoes" and you're here asking me my age

                            Just admit it, you're a Taliban apologist and you get triggered anytime the Taliban are portrayed in an unflattering way.

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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