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    Afghan Taliban officials: 'US agrees to discuss troops pullout' | USA News | Al Jazeera


    Afghan Taliban officials: 'US agrees to discuss troops pullout'

    US agrees to discuss pullout of troops from Afghanistan as part of talks to end 17-year war, Taliban officials say.
    by Shereena Qazi 13 Oct 2018 22:06 GMT






    Doha, Qatar - The United States has agreed to discuss the withdrawal of its troops from Afghanistan in a direct meeting with Taliban representatives in Qatar, officials from the armed group said.
    In a preliminary meeting in Doha on Friday, Taliban representatives and US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad discussed the Taliban's conditions to end the 17-year war in Afghanistan, two top Taliban officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told Al Jazeera.
    "Six US delegates arrived in Doha to have a meeting with our (Taliban) leaders [and] agreed to discuss all issues, including the pullout of foreign troops," one of the officials said.
    "But, it was a preliminary meeting and all issues were discussed in general, not in detail," he added, saying more talks were expected to take place in the near future.
    Last year, US President Donald Trump increased the number of US forces in the country as part of a new strategy against the Taliban. There are now about 14,000 US soldiers in the country. The Taliban has previously said the presence of foreign troops was the biggest obstacle to peace in Afghanistan.
    In addition to the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan, the Taliban's conditions include the lifting of sanctions on its leaders, the release of their fighters imprisoned in Afghanistan, and the establishment of an official political office.

    At the request of the US, a Taliban office was established in Doha in 2013 to facilitate peace talks but it was shut shortly after opening when it came under pressure over a flag hung outside the office, the same flag that was flown during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan.
    Then Afghan President Hamid Karzai subsequently halted peace efforts, saying the office was presenting itself as an unofficial embassy for a government-in-exile.
    The flag has since been taken down and the office has been empty with no official announcements about a possible reopening.
    Talks with the Taliban have since been taking place elsewhere in Doha.
    US officials in Kabul and Zalmay Khalilzad were not immediately available to comment on Saturday's gathering in the Qatari capital.
    It was the second time that US officials met the group in Qatar. The first meeting took place in July, and included US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Alice Wells.
    In recent months, Khalilzad, who was appointed as US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation in September, has met officials from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in a bid to renew the long-stalled direct talks with the Taliban.
    'US puppets'

    The Taliban, Afghanistan's largest armed group which was toppled from power by a US-led invasion in 2001, has repeatedly turned down offers of talks with the Afghan government, calling them "US puppets", despite calls from Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to start negotiations.
    Instead, they demanded to meet US officials for talks primarily on foreign troops withdrawal.
    In July, the US announced it was ready for direct talks with the Taliban to seek negotiations and to "discuss the role of international forces".
    Abdul Salam Zaeef, a former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan who is now based in Doha and in contact with the Taliban representatives, confirmed the US decision to discuss a pullout from Afghanistan.
    He was not present at the meeting, but said the withdrawal of foreign troops "now only requires a timeline for implementation".

    "As per my information, the US has reached an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw troops from Afghanistan but the US officials have not yet agreed on a date," he said.
    "The US is not winning in Afghanistan. They are aware of that, which means they have to agree on the Taliban's conditions for ending the war in the country."
    Some analysts, however, fear the withdrawal of foreign troops will not end the long-running conflict in Afghanistan.
    In recent months, there has been a surge in violence across the country, with heavy clashes between the Taliban and Afghan security forces from the provinces of Badakhshan, Baghlan and Faryab in the north to the province of Farah in the west.
    Power-sharing

    Faizullah Zaland, a political analyst based in Kabul, said long-term international support and a power-sharing agreement between the Taliban and the Afghan government is necessary to end the war.
    "The US has tried all its methods, policies and strategies to limit the Afghan war, but instead the war has grown even more. The Taliban has got more land and more control in the country," he said.
    The US strategy in 2017 of increasing troops in Afghanistan by raising the number of soldiers from 8,400 to about 14,000, has also "failed", he said
    "The international community's long-term support is the only guarantee for Afghan peace, in addition to a power-sharing agreement with the Taliban."
    In May, Farah city, one of the largest cities of Afghanistan, was on the verge of falling to the Taliban, which would have made it the second city, after Kunduz in 2015, to fall under the Taliban since the war began in 2001.
    In an attempt to put an end fight, in February, Ghani offered recognition of the Taliban as a legitimate political group and involvement in a constitutional review that he said could bring the group to the negotiating table to end the 17-year war.
    But the Taliban continued fighting as their demand to meet directly with US officials was ignored.
    Last week, the Taliban issued a warning that its fighters would target government security forces to disrupt the October 20 parliamentary elections.
    Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesperson for the Taliban said, fighters will target "people who are trying to help in holding this process successfully by providing security".
    He added that "no stone should be left unturned for the prevention and failure" of the election.
    As of January 2018, the Afghan government only controls 56.3 percent of the country, according to a report by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) released in May.
    The Taliban, meanwhile, holds 59 districts, while the remaining 119 - about 29.2 percent - are contested, meaning they are controlled by neither the Afghan government nor the armed group.
    In a report last week, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) said at least 8,050 Afghan civilians were killed or wounded in the first nine months of 2018.
    Half of them were killed in suicide attacks and bombings that might amount to war crimes, UNAMA said
    "Civilian deaths have not been the main concern during these talks, but in reality, civilian casualties is the grimmest part of this war and the credit goes to all sides engaged in this conflict," Zaland, the political analyst told Al Jazeera.
    "Trust building measurements should be soon taken in order to build the trust of civilians for them to support the peace process."
    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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    ‘Khalilzad Can’t Talk To Taliban On Behalf of Afghans’

    Saleh said peace talks with the Taliban should be with the Afghan government and the people and it can’t be a ‘secret deal’.

    Former chief of the National Directorate of Security Amrullah Saleh said on Tuesday that the US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad does not have the authority to talk with Taliban on behalf of the Afghan people.

    Saleh made the remarks at a gathering in Kapisa province where he voiced disapproval over talks between Khalilzad and Taliban last week in Qatar.

    Saleh said peace talks with Taliban should be done by the Afghan government and Afghan people and they should own the process because the people will not accept any ‘secret deal’.

    Saleh said even President Ashraf Ghani is not happy about talks having been held between Khalilzad and Taliban representatives in Qatar.

    “We will accept negotiations if there was a representative from the nation (Afghanistan) in the negotiation process. We should not be deceived once again and we should not commit that historical mistake. We win in war, but lose in negotiation,” Saleh said.

    Saleh also touched on the October 20 elections and said most biometric devices will not work and the process will be riddled with fraud. However, he encouraged people to participate in the elections in a show of support for democracy.

    “There are millions of ghost and fake voters in this country, but with all these technical challenges and with all the distrust in the process we still welcome elections,” Saleh added.

    Residents of Kapisa meanwhile said the only way to get the country out of the current situation is for the nation to stay united.

    “If we vote for the right candidate and have a transparent election, we may not confront miseries,” Fazl Rahman, a religious scholar said.

    Saleh’s remarks on Khalilzad’s efforts for peace comes after the US envoy visited Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to pave the way for talks between Afghanistan government and the Taliban.

    In his first visit to Kabul, Khalilzad asked government and Taliban to form negotiating teams.

    He then went to Islamabad and talked with Pakistani officials. Last Wednesday, he met with Taliban representatives in Qatar where they talked about Afghanistan’s war and peace.

    After the meeting, Taliban officials said their representatives and Khalilzad agreed to hold talks on the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan.

    In reaction to Taliban’s claims, the High Peace Council (HPC) on Tuesday said so far, no talks have been held on the withdrawal of foreign troops.

    HPC on Monday also said Taliban are trying to use the demand for the withdrawal of foreign troops as a tool for their propaganda.

    HPC deputy head Attaurrahman Salim told TOLOnews that Washington must take into consideration Afghanistan's continued stability and security in peace talks with the Taliban.

    Salim said the withdrawal of foreign troops can be discussed once the war has ended in the country and security has been restored.

    “The withdrawal of forces is an issue that can be discussed after the establishment of security and the end of the war and it should be discussed nationally,” said Salim.

    The withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan has been a key demand by the Taliban for many years; but the High Peace Council said Taliban uses the issue as a “topic for propaganda” while there are much more important issues that should be addressed first.

    “Because they have been backed a lot under this issue (calling for forces withdrawal) they want to use it as a propaganda subject, while there are other issues that should come first,” Salim added.

    ‘Khalilzad Can’t Talk To Taliban On Behalf of Afghans’ | TOLOnews
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
      ‘Khalilzad Can’t Talk To Taliban On Behalf of Afghans’

      Saleh said peace talks with the Taliban should be with the Afghan government and the people and it can’t be a ‘secret deal’.

      Former chief of the National Directorate of Security Amrullah Saleh said on Tuesday that the US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad does not have the authority to talk with Taliban on behalf of the Afghan people.

      Saleh made the remarks at a gathering in Kapisa province where he voiced disapproval over talks between Khalilzad and Taliban last week in Qatar.

      Saleh said peace talks with Taliban should be done by the Afghan government and Afghan people and they should own the process because the people will not accept any ‘secret deal’.

      Saleh said even President Ashraf Ghani is not happy about talks having been held between Khalilzad and Taliban representatives in Qatar.

      “We will accept negotiations if there was a representative from the nation (Afghanistan) in the negotiation process. We should not be deceived once again and we should not commit that historical mistake. We win in war, but lose in negotiation,” Saleh said.

      Saleh also touched on the October 20 elections and said most biometric devices will not work and the process will be riddled with fraud. However, he encouraged people to participate in the elections in a show of support for democracy.

      “There are millions of ghost and fake voters in this country, but with all these technical challenges and with all the distrust in the process we still welcome elections,” Saleh added.

      Residents of Kapisa meanwhile said the only way to get the country out of the current situation is for the nation to stay united.

      “If we vote for the right candidate and have a transparent election, we may not confront miseries,” Fazl Rahman, a religious scholar said.

      Saleh’s remarks on Khalilzad’s efforts for peace comes after the US envoy visited Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to pave the way for talks between Afghanistan government and the Taliban.

      In his first visit to Kabul, Khalilzad asked government and Taliban to form negotiating teams.

      He then went to Islamabad and talked with Pakistani officials. Last Wednesday, he met with Taliban representatives in Qatar where they talked about Afghanistan’s war and peace.

      After the meeting, Taliban officials said their representatives and Khalilzad agreed to hold talks on the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan.

      In reaction to Taliban’s claims, the High Peace Council (HPC) on Tuesday said so far, no talks have been held on the withdrawal of foreign troops.

      HPC on Monday also said Taliban are trying to use the demand for the withdrawal of foreign troops as a tool for their propaganda.

      HPC deputy head Attaurrahman Salim told TOLOnews that Washington must take into consideration Afghanistan's continued stability and security in peace talks with the Taliban.

      Salim said the withdrawal of foreign troops can be discussed once the war has ended in the country and security has been restored.

      “The withdrawal of forces is an issue that can be discussed after the establishment of security and the end of the war and it should be discussed nationally,” said Salim.

      The withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan has been a key demand by the Taliban for many years; but the High Peace Council said Taliban uses the issue as a “topic for propaganda” while there are much more important issues that should be addressed first.

      “Because they have been backed a lot under this issue (calling for forces withdrawal) they want to use it as a propaganda subject, while there are other issues that should come first,” Salim added.

      ‘Khalilzad Can’t Talk To Taliban On Behalf of Afghans’ | TOLOnews
      Saleh is wrong: its not him who is talking to the Taliban. Its Uncle Sam who is talking to them. He is not talking on behalf of Afghans but on behalf of Donald Trump. He is not an Afghan but an American.
      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

      -Ferdowsi.

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      • #4
        The Taliban are/have been arrogant in their demands of only dealing with the US in any negotiations. Do they really think they can negotiate a deal with the US without the Afg govt involved and all of the sudden it’s 1989 again?
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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        • #5
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          The Taliban are/have been arrogant in their demands of only dealing with the US in any negotiations. Do they really think they can negotiate a deal with the US without the Afg govt involved and all of the sudden it’s 1989 again?
          But they tricked them into talking to an Afghan.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
            The Taliban are/have been arrogant in their demands of only dealing with the US in any negotiations. Do they really think they can negotiate a deal with the US without the Afg govt involved and all of the sudden it’s 1989 again?
            Hey Randolph,

            It's been a minute!

            Occupation regimes lack legitimacy for any party to take them seriously. Nearly every decision they make is essentially they rubber stamping a US decision. For example, the US-Kabul regime security agreement which gave US forces immunity from Afghan law.

            Ghani has been asked several times in interviews about the Taliban demand that there is no foreign presence and he says that's not up for negotiation. Why would the Taliban talk to the Ghani regime then? His refusal to budge on the central demand- the basis for why there is a conflict makes any talks pointless.
            "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
              The Taliban are/have been arrogant in their demands of only dealing with the US in any negotiations. Do they really think they can negotiate a deal with the US without the Afg govt involved and all of the sudden it’s 1989 again?
              The Taliban don't recognize the Afghan gov. They view themselves as the Afghan gov who is in a dispute with the US gov. The Taliban has the upper hand, they can out maneuver the US since the US is exhausted while the Taliban has all the time in the World.
              If Eric Prince takes over the war, all that will do is turn more of the population against the gov and US. They will use their brutalities as a recruiting tool.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                But they tricked them into talking to an Afghan.
                Khalilzad is a US citizen representing the US gov, not the Afghan gov.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Insight View Post
                  Hey Randolph,

                  It's been a minute!

                  Occupation regimes lack legitimacy for any party to take them seriously. Nearly every decision they make is essentially they rubber stamping a US decision. For example, the US-Kabul regime security agreement which gave US forces immunity from Afghan law.

                  Ghani has been asked several times in interviews about the Taliban demand that there is no foreign presence and he says that's not up for negotiation. Why would the Taliban talk to the Ghani regime then? His refusal to budge on the central demand- the basis for why there is a conflict makes any talks pointless.
                  The Afghan government is a failure. If Taliban truly want achieve peace, they should engage Jamiati and other non Pashtun movements. Still at the end of the day they will also need the Afghan government. No peace accord can be implemented without their support.
                  "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                  I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                  -Ferdowsi.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Insight View Post
                    Hey Randolph,

                    It's been a minute!

                    Occupation regimes lack legitimacy for any party to take them seriously. Nearly every decision they make is essentially they rubber stamping a US decision. For example, the US-Kabul regime security agreement which gave US forces immunity from Afghan law.

                    Ghani has been asked several times in interviews about the Taliban demand that there is no foreign presence and he says that's not up for negotiation. Why would the Taliban talk to the Ghani regime then? His refusal to budge on the central demand- the basis for why there is a conflict makes any talks pointless.
                    Hey, good to see you still active here.

                    The thing is that while foreign troop presence is determined by the foreigners and not the local government, the government will still be there regardless and will still be financially backed by foreigners so it can’t be ignored. There is no way the foreigners leave at the end without an agreement like the gulbo-govt deal but on a much larger scale and even then will stick around for years just to assure its implementation. The last few years have shown that the foreign drawdown doesn’t mean much in that it even with US troops barely stepping out of their bases and being entertained by visiting Dallas Cowboy cheerleading prostitutes, all it takes is air strikes to keep the Taliban down.

                    At the end of the day it’s actually the US that holds all the cards. Sure America is wasting billions but they have billions to waste, it’s the Afghan govt and the Taliban who are wasting human capital.
                    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                    Sayyid Qutb

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      The Taliban don't recognize the Afghan gov. They view themselves as the Afghan gov who is in a dispute with the US gov. The Taliban has the upper hand, they can out maneuver the US since the US is exhausted while the Taliban has all the time in the World.
                      If Eric Prince takes over the war, all that will do is turn more of the population against the gov and US. They will use their brutalities as a recruiting tool.

                      Define “exhausted.” The US troops keep to bases and barely move these days while their AirPower destroy Taliban targets. In 2018 there have been 12 nato troop deaths, in 2010 there were 711.


                      The prince thing is so stupid that the trump administration wouldn’t even consider it.
                      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                      Sayyid Qutb

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                        Hey, good to see you still active here.

                        The thing is that while foreign troop presence is determined by the foreigners and not the local government, the government will still be there regardless and will still be financially backed by foreigners so it can’t be ignored. There is no way the foreigners leave at the end without an agreement like the gulbo-govt deal but on a much larger scale and even then will stick around for years just to assure its implementation. The last few years have shown that the foreign drawdown doesn’t mean much in that it even with US troops barely stepping out of their bases and being entertained by visiting Dallas Cowboy cheerleading prostitutes, all it takes is air strikes to keep the Taliban down.

                        At the end of the day it’s actually the US that holds all the cards. Sure America is wasting billions but they have billions to waste, it’s the Afghan govt and the Taliban who are wasting human capital.
                        Well since US has been requesting to talk, it does not seem they have advantage in these talks.

                        Even with the recent killing of Raziq, the US General emphasized that he was not the target. The neocon community is all up in arms and Trump has not said a thing. Trump can not be controlled


                        U.S. general says he may not have been target of Kandahar attack | Reuters
                        "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                          Define “exhausted.” The US troops keep to bases and barely move these days while their AirPower destroy Taliban targets. In 2018 there have been 12 nato troop deaths, in 2010 there were 711.


                          The prince thing is so stupid that the trump administration wouldn’t even consider it.
                          exhausted means the US is getting tired of throwing money at something(afghan gov) that is not working. Prince tried to pitch the idea to Kabul.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            exhausted means the US is getting tired of throwing money at something(afghan gov) that is not working. Prince tried to pitch the idea to Kabul.
                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1188e0f51c7e
                            If history is anything to go by, whether it’s a democratic or republican leadership in Washington, they will keep throwing money at this Afghan project of theirs. The only difference now is that they spend far less than they used to and the war is pretty much completely out of the minds of the American public.
                            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                            Sayyid Qutb

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Insight View Post
                              Well since US has been requesting to talk, it does not seem they have advantage in these talks.

                              Even with the recent killing of Raziq, the US General emphasized that he was not the target. The neocon community is all up in arms and Trump has not said a thing. Trump can not be controlled


                              U.S. general says he may not have been target of Kandahar attack | Reuters
                              I don’t know what goes on in the minds of the foreign policy circles of the US but through 3 US administrations, there have always been back channels to the Taliban. The Taliban cover up of Mullah Omar’s death was an embarrassment and really killed the first chance of meaningful negotiations between afg.talib.us. I suspect that the attitude of the US these days is basically “ok let’s get this over with, but if not we will keep bombing you.” Trump fashions himself as a deal maker so if peace happens then it’s a WIN! If not then it’s something he says he inherited from the Democrats and th war goes on while American people continue to not give a ****.
                              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                              Sayyid Qutb

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