Kharsani (easy donkey) with ahmad sha masod tatto insults Afghanistan and Pashtuns

[Akbar]

‫روزه خوردن Ù…Øفوظ پنجشیری- mahfoz panjshiri‬‎ - YouTube

[Firdousi]

‫روزه خوردن Ù…Ø*فوظ پنجشیری- mahfoz panjshiri‬‎ - YouTube

You and him are two sides of the same coin. Same donkeys. No difference.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

WTF is up with his facial tattoo ...lol ....

Anyways Akbar, any reason you're trying to stir bigotry with fellow Afghans.

By the way I used to be Anti-Massoud, but after looking at history from objective sources, he made a lot of bad judgements, worked with some terrible commanders under him, but he wasn't himself very power ambitious. He's definitely not as bad as some of the Pashtun warlords from Mashreq that he had to deal with ...and no way was he as wretched as Gulbodeen........I think he had good intentions bad execution. We should look at the man in proper context.

[Firdousi]

WTF is up with his facial tattoo ...lol ....

Anyways Akbar, any reason you're trying to stir bigotry with fellow Afghans.

By the way I used to be Anti-Massoud, but after looking at history from objective sources, he made a lot of bad judgements, worked with some terrible commanders under him, but he wasn't himself very power ambitious. He's definitely not as bad as some of the Pashtun warlords from Mashreq that he had to deal with ...and no way was he as wretched as Gulbodeen........I think he had good intentions bad execution. We should look at the man in proper context.

Such luchak guy lol. What I find ironic and hilarious about these Khorasani nationalists is how they brag about the high Tajik culture and their rich heritage while behaving like monkeys. Do you seriously imagine Mawlana, Khayyam, Rudaki, Ibn Sina, Biruni or the Barmakids behaving like this?

There is a lot of hysteria around Massoud. When I was younger I was a fanboy. A huge supporter. But I guess I was biased because of my own ethnic background. Now that I am a bit smarter I realize that he made many mistakes and he failed miserably when it came to imposing himself on his own subordinates. But in general I do not believe he was as barbaric as Hekmatyar or Najeeb.

In general I find the 1992-2001 period as an "age of darkness". Mujahedeens stopped being Mujahedeens the day the commie regime collapsed and instead of creating a strong conservative state they started killing each other and destroying our beautiful Kabul. We should move on. I actually find Karzai´s move on declaring Massoud as "national hero" as a huge mistake. It aligned other ethnic groups.

Massoud is dead, so are Najeeb, Zahir Khan, Daud Khan, Karmal,.. we should move on.

[Firdousi]

Mujahedeens really screwed everything. The post-American invasion was a golden opportunity to build a stable and functional state. Instead of that, Jihadis, specially Panjshiris, ruined everything.

But I must also point out that Afghans are a bit simpleton. Not all Mujahedeens are the same not even the corrupt elite. In Herat, for example, most of people regard Ismail Khan as a corrupt "politician" but at the same time Heratis also acknowledge that he wasnt involved in massive massacres like other Jihadis and in general his rule was "benign": Herat thrived, there was no kidnappings no suicide attacks,.. yeah he was a thieve but at the same time he really cared about Western provinces.

I believe something similar is happening in Balkh now that Atta, who was a corrupt guy, is gone. Criminality is already on the rise and so is Talibanism. Something similar will happen in Kandahar if Razak is ousted.

At the end of the day what makes this people better than the central government is bad governance. Our central government is a failure.Thats a breeding ground for "warlords" and Taliban.

[maneatinglizard]

Does this guy not realize he looks like a degenerate with all those ugly tattoos?

Don't insult others when you look like a joke yourself.

By the way I used to be Anti-Massoud, but after looking at history from objective sources, he made a lot of bad judgements, worked with some terrible commanders under him, but he wasn't himself very power ambitious. He's definitely not as bad as some of the Pashtun warlords from Mashreq that he had to deal with ...and no way was he as wretched as Gulbodeen........I think he had good intentions bad execution. We should look at the man in proper context.

Dude worked for the Russians, harming other Mujahideen for his own benefit, and wanted to annex north Afghanistan into a "Greater Tajikistan" (Loy Tajikstan lol) that he'd rule. He was one of the major causes of the civil war (probably the biggest cause), worked with known butchers like Dostum, begged the West to invade Afghanistan for years, and committed atrocities of his own in his battles with Gulbadeen.

He also was obsessed with his image and damaging the reputation of his enemies, going as far as abandoning women of villages he'd lose to the Taliban so that he could later accuse them of raping them. The Western media has done a great job vilifying Gulbadeen/Taliban and making him look like a Messiah.

I'm the opposite of you. I didn't have that negative of an opinion of him until I started reading more about him. A lot of people from my village were in Jamiat, and knew him personally. Whenever they'd badmouth him, I'd assume they were exaggerating and that he wasn't that bad (because I have a lot of Farsiwan friends and always assumed there had to be some reason they'd support him), but in recent years I've seen basically every accusation they made against him confirmed in other sources.

[Elias]

I've met in my whole life one sane panjsheri.

[Elias]

I have relatives who worked in Khad and they don't have anything good to say about massoud even after almost 30 years. Khad themselves were cruel, especially how they treated suspects and prisoners but still massoud is a khayen.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Does this guy not realize he looks like a degenerate with all those ugly tattoos?

Don't insult others when you look like a joke yourself.



Dude worked for the Russians, harming other Mujahideen for his own benefit, and wanted to annex north Afghanistan into a "Greater Tajikistan" (Loy Tajikstan lol) that he'd rule. He was one of the major causes of the civil war (probably the biggest cause), worked with known butchers like Dostum, begged the West to invade Afghanistan for years, and committed atrocities of his own in his battles with Gulbadeen.

He also was obsessed with his image and damaging the reputation of his enemies, going as far as abandoning women of villages he'd lose to the Taliban so that he could later accuse them of raping them. The Western media has done a great job vilifying Gulbadeen/Taliban and making him look like a Messiah.

I'm the opposite of you. I didn't have that negative of an opinion of him until I started reading more about him. A lot of people from my village were in Jamiat, and knew him personally. Whenever they'd badmouth him, I'd assume they were exaggerating and that he wasn't that bad (because I have a lot of Farsiwan friends and always assumed there had to be some reason they'd support him), but in recent years I've seen basically every accusation they made against him confirmed in other sources.

If you're referring to the Salang Pass Treaty. That was one reason I villified him, but understanding how divided Mujahideen were and the immediate risks that Russian ground and air forces posed. Making Salang Pass treaty was all he could do. If other Mujahideen had Massoud's back that may have been averted.

But this stuff about him working for Russia and getting trained by the KGB is a bunch of fabricated conspiratorial nonsense made up by Pashtun Nationalists. Lot of what we know about Massoud is filtered through Pashtun ego-tism.

Granted, I'm not claiming that Massoud is a saint, that he never did anything wrong or that he didn't make poor judgements. I am claiming however that much of this can be attributed to his reactions of hostilities that were levied at him from other factions.

I also disagree with those who bestow sainthood upon him, he's no saint. But out of all the Mujahideen commanders he was one of the most restrained.

I don't know the story where they left women behind to claim Taliban raped them, at the same time, much of the things attributed to Massoud were often Massoud's commanders who were very loosely under his command. If anything Massoud is guilty of being an ineffective commander, but not a tyrant.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I have relatives who worked in Khad and they don't have anything good to say about massoud even after almost 30 years. Khad themselves were cruel, especially how they treated suspects and prisoners but still massoud is a khayen.

One of the best men I've ever met was a Panjshiri ....one of the worst men I've ever met was a Panjshiri ....there's no middle ground ...they're either amazing or horrible.

[Firdousi]

If you're referring to the Salang Pass Treaty. That was one reason I villified him, but understanding how divided Mujahideen were and the immediate risks that Russian ground and air forces posed. Making Salang Pass treaty was all he could do. If other Mujahideen had Massoud's back that may have been averted.

But this stuff about him working for Russia and getting trained by the KGB is a bunch of fabricated conspiratorial nonsense made up by Pashtun Nationalists. Lot of what we know about Massoud is filtered through Pashtun ego-tism.

Granted, I'm not claiming that Massoud is a saint, that he never did anything wrong or that he didn't make poor judgements. I am claiming however that much of this can be attributed to his reactions of hostilities that were levied at him from other factions.

I also disagree with those who bestow sainthood upon him, he's no saint. But out of all the Mujahideen commanders he was one of the most restrained.

I don't know the story where they left women behind to claim Taliban raped them, at the same time, much of the things attributed to Massoud were often Massoud's commanders who were very loosely under his command. If anything Massoud is guilty of being an ineffective commander, but not a tyrant.

The Salang Pass Treaty is overrated. People truly believe in a war enemies are like 24/7 fighting each other. Thats not true. Just look at the Syrian war: USA and Kurds allowed Daesh to leave Raqqa. SAA allowed Daesh to leave Deir Ezzor. Russia allowed Rebels to leave Aleppo and join Idlib. Iran reached with Al Nusra, the local Al Qaeda´s offshoot, to leave Zabadani and mover to north. Right now Russia cut a a deal with Rebels in Daraa, next to Jordan and Israel, to leave to Idlib. Its something normal in wartime.

Massouds deal with Russia has been exaggerated by Pashtun nationalists. They truly hate him because Jamiat proved that Pashtuns can be military defeated and also the Pashtun hegemony was destroyed by Massoud.

Still, all this is pointless. He is dead. We should move on. I read all these threads and I realize how even now, many years after their dead, Afghans still disrespecting each other over some guys who are dead. Lets move on, people.

[Firdousi]

I have relatives who worked in Khad and they don't have anything good to say about massoud even after almost 30 years. Khad themselves were cruel, especially how they treated suspects and prisoners but still massoud is a khayen.

It does not take me by surprise. They were enemies. But KHAD was way more brutal than any jihadi group. Just like right now Assad has proved to be way more brutal than all opposition groups combined. I guess we live in a land of khayens.

[Firdousi]

One of the best men I've ever met was a Panjshiri ....one of the worst men I've ever met was a Panjshiri ....there's no middle ground ...they're either amazing or horrible.

I know some nice Panjshiris but in general I find them a bit crazy.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I know some nice Panjshiris but in general I find them a bit crazy.

I used to speak with this lady from Paghman, she's somehow related to Hafizullah Amin, and her ex husband was from Panjshir ...once when I went over her house to viist her and her parents. Her ex was out there staking out the house the whole time and even got my license plate #....

So, somehow he got my email addrfess and left like a bunch of spamming threats calling me a "Pashtun K*ni" and saying he's going to rape my mother and all this nonsense. I had get Yahoo to delete his account. Guy was the embodiment of a creep. He actually got convicted of drug dealing and is in prison now. Good Riddance.

Now for contrast, my dad's cousin is married to a Panjshiri man, who is like THE Most pious person I've ever met. Like he's a Sufi, and apart of the same Tariqah my family follows. Amazing guy and his entire family is amazing.

[Firdousi]

I used to speak with this lady from Paghman, she's somehow related to Hafizullah Amin, and her ex husband was from Panjshir ...once when I went over her house to viist her and her parents. Her ex was out there staking out the house the whole time and even got my license plate #....

So, somehow he got my email addrfess and left like a bunch of spamming threats calling me a "Pashtun K*ni" and saying he's going to rape my mother and all this nonsense. I had get Yahoo to delete his account. Guy was the embodiment of a creep. He actually got convicted of drug dealing and is in prison now. Good Riddance.

Now for contrast, my dad's cousin is married to a Panjshiri man, who is like THE Most pious person I've ever met. Like he's a Sufi, and apart of the same Tariqah my family follows. Amazing guy and his entire family is amazing.

Man thats creepy AF. My dad´s cousin is married to a Panjshiri lady. She is a nice lady but her family are all nuts. The thing I like the most about Panjshiris its their music. Catchy.