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    President Donald Trump kicked off a fire storm across Pakistan when he suspended an estimated $2bn in security aid to Islamabad after accusing it of continuing to give sanctuary to the Afghan Taliban, despite months of warnings that the US is losing patience.

    Pakistan’s policy on Afghanistan has alienated Nato allies, which still have troops in Afghanistan. Only China, Russia and Turkey have so far stood up for Islamabad.

    The long-term fall out from the spat could heighten Pakistan’s domestic political crisis — complicated by a constitutional tangle in Baluchistan province — and increase the risks for the 14,000 US and Nato forces in Afghanistan that depend heavily on supply lines that stretch through Pakistan from the port of Karachi.

    Mr Trump’s move has caused jubilation in Kabul, where Afghan leaders have been pleading with the US for years to crack down on Pakistan’s alleged sanctuaries, especially for the Taliban-affiliated Haqqani network. At least 80 people have been killed in suicide attacks in Kabul alone in the past two months.

    America’s failure to act earlier was the major reason for the rupture in relations between the former Afghan president Hamid Karzai and Washington and has been a big issue between President Ashraf Ghani and the US. But while Mr Trump’s intervention will strengthen Mr Ghani’s weak and vulnerable regime, it is having the opposite effect in Pakistan.

    Islamabad has been in a state of political turmoil since the summer when Nawaz Sharif was forced to step down as prime minister over corruption charges. His Pakistan Muslim League continues to rule, but it is divided, faces a strident opposition and remains in conflict with the all-powerful military. Elections are due this summer but there is no certainty that they will be held on time.

    Mr Sharif is bitter about his ousting and recent speeches have made clear his criticism of the army and its control over domestic and foreign policy. He has said he will disclose how the military refused to help him bring peace to Afghanistan and improve relations with India. While criticising Mr Trump, he said Pakistan should put its house in order and realise “why the world does not take us seriously”.

    Mr Trump is much disliked in Pakistan, but there is sharp political polarisation over how to tackle the issue of sanctuaries. Many blame the army for years of mollycoddling extremist groups from Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir while also harbouring local extremists.

    The army and its supporters have repeatedly pointed to the heavy casualties among troops fighting the Pakistani Taliban. Yet only the army itself can change policy towards those Afghan Taliban hiding in Pakistan.

    While the political rightwing, led by religious parties and Islamist extremist groups, and some politicians have spearheaded anti-US protests in the streets, the military initially took a sober though hard line against American demands on Islamabad.

    But many in Pakistan, especially the army, are deeply concerned that Mr Trump’s calls last year to tighten ties to India and partner with it in Afghanistan could lead to Pakistan being surrounded by its neighbour and perennial enemy.

    So there have been threats of suspending US supplies into Afghanistan from the port of Karachi, shooting down US drones and restricting American use of Pakistani airspace for bombing runs across the border. The opposition leader Imran Khan and foreign minister Khawaja Asif have been particularly vociferous in anti-American sentiment, according to Reuters news agency.

    Any such moves could not only widen the US-Pakistan split, but also endanger the US-led war against the Taliban and further weaken the Kabul government.

    For Pakistan, deteriorating relations with the US and Nato, an economy in deep trouble and the Baluchistan situation could mean a postponement of elections for the Senate — the upper house of parliament — due in March and even the summer general election.

    In Baluchistan, the chief minister Sardar Sanaullah Zehri was forced to resign on Tuesday after opposition parties brought a motion of no confidence against him.

    Mr Zehri is allied to Mr Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League and it is feared that in the likely coming uncertainty, turmoil will spread to the other three provincial assemblies. The country could then find itself in uncharted constitutional territory, with a political vacuum that would almost certainly put the army in the driving seat.

    Ahsan Iqbal, interior minister, warned last week that hidden forces were creating a crisis and ‘’the overall situation in the country remains a matter of concern’’.

    In tapping out that morning tweet on January 1 attacking Pakistan for “lies & deceit”, Mr Trump appeared to have no idea of the political fall out for the region and no strategy for dealing with it. Persuading Pakistan to close down its sanctuaries for extremists is a better idea than coercion.

  • #2
    Pakistan needs to man up and cut off American military transportation through its territories.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Afghanfootball
      and the Pakistan/Wahabi support party on this forum will be completely against this 100%

      But in reality this is the best thing the US has done for Afghanistan.
      The only Wahabi regular on this forum is Shamlawar, and he barely posts here anymore.

      And most of the Pakistani Pashtuns here aren’t particularly patriotic. In fact, most seem to recognize that Pakistan has little to do with them (as it’s a country for Indic Muslims), and the ones who oppose independence/reunification only seem to do so out of fear that those routes would cause even more problems than they currently face.

      But anyway, the best thing America can do for us is leaving and never returning. Defunding Pakistan is a nice start, but ultimately meaningless as long as they continue occupying our land.

      Originally posted by Afghanfootball
      You are definitely Pakistani bro.
      LOL, I don’t know how you could’ve reached that conclusion from that post. Just look at my posting history if you really think that.

      For me it’s simple: while Pakistan is a big problem, the biggest one for Afghanistan is the corrupt failure of a state in Kabul that’s only kept from collapsing by continued US occupation.

      Our country isn’t ever going to improve until the US leaves. Their puppet government is awful and corrupt, and the Taliban will never stop fighting as long foreigners remain in Afghanistan.

      Once the US leaves, the successor government can figure out how to deal with Pakistan. But right now our country is stuck and can’t go anywhere because we will never accept invaders.

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      • #4
        This is actually good news for Pakistan. A step forward in the right direction. Pakistan is about to leave behind her prostitute nature. Hope Afghanistan follows suit one day.

        Weird times. Muslims praising an Islamophobe American president.
        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

        -Ferdowsi.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
          The only Wahabi regular on this forum is Shamlawar, and he barely posts here anymore.

          And most of the Pakistani Pashtuns here aren’t particularly patriotic. In fact, most seem to recognize that Pakistan has little to do with them (as it’s a country for Indic Muslims), and the ones who oppose independence/reunification only seem to do so out of fear that those routes would cause even more problems than they currently face.

          But anyway, the best thing America can do for us is leaving and never returning. Defunding Pakistan is a nice start, but ultimately meaningless as long as they continue occupying our land.



          LOL, I don’t know how you could’ve reached that conclusion from that post. Just look at my posting history if you really think that.

          For me it’s simple: while Pakistan is a big problem, the biggest one for Afghanistan is the corrupt failure of a state in Kabul that’s only kept from collapsing by continued US occupation.

          Our country isn’t ever going to improve until the US leaves. Their puppet government is awful and corrupt, and the Taliban will never stop fighting as long foreigners remain in Afghanistan.

          Once the US leaves, the successor government can figure out how to deal with Pakistan. But right now our country is stuck and can’t go anywhere because we will never accept invaders.
          Spot on. You know why Pakistan won't stop support the Taliban? Because while the Orange Buffon asks Pakistan to do more at the same time he asked India to step up her involvement in Afghanistan. Pakistan will never accept this. And it makes sense they don't want to be sandwiched by two hostile countries.

          We Afghans need to ask the USA to leave. They lost. They can't win this war. At the same time we need to kick out pro Paki and pro Indian elements from our country. We need also to engage in serious peace talks with the "moderate" Taliban and also reform our current system which is corrupt and dysfunctional to the core.

          Afghans living in the West need to smell the coffee and wake up. Democracy can't work in a country like Afghanistan. This system, in order to bloom and thrive needs stable nation-states and ethnically homogenous states. If this basic condition is not meet all politics will be turned into sectarian and ethnic hatred and political games. We are witnessing this even in the USA.

          Democracy promotes factionalism which is dangerous and toxic in diverse and multicultural countries like the ones in the Islamic world.
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Afghanfootball
            Also I know you are not Paki since you seem to be well educated on Afghan history and generally I enjoy your posts when it comes to that. However the way you and Iblees_Efreetzai support Firdousi kuni when he calls Afghanistan a artificial state or says that the British put Afghanistans name on Khorasan etc when it obviously isnt true is just embarrassing.
            Actually all nation-states are artificial. I disagree with them. BUT I do acknowledge NATIONS. Afghan nation is a real thing. After several centuries living together we have developed a sense of nationhood called Afghaniyat that makes us a bit different than our neighboring countries no matter our ties with them. Most of Afghans, regardless their ethnic or religious background, share this feeling.

            But nation-states are fake. Afghanistan is fake. And so are most of nation-states. Get over it lol
            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

            -Ferdowsi.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
              Actually all nation-states are artificial. I disagree with them. BUT I do acknowledge NATIONS. Afghan nation is a real thing. After several centuries living together we have developed a sense of nationhood called Afghaniyat that makes us a bit different than our neighboring countries no matter our ties with them. Most of Afghans, regardless their ethnic or religious background, share this feeling.

              But nation-states are fake. Afghanistan is fake. And so are most of nation-states. Get over it lol
              While nationstates are fabrication, they serve a purpose. You know full well a borderless world is unrealistic.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by SavageCurry View Post
                While nationstates are fabrication, they serve a purpose. You know full well a borderless world is unrealistic.
                I am aware of that. Borders have always existed. I am not agains borders or control I am against a powerful state imposing dictatorial rules on people confined within fake borders. States are the main claimants of human life and the main threat against human dignity, property and freedom.
                "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                -Ferdowsi.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by firdousi View Post
                  spot on. You know why pakistan won't stop support the taliban? Because while the orange buffon asks pakistan to do more at the same time he asked india to step up her involvement in afghanistan. Pakistan will never accept this. And it makes sense they don't want to be sandwiched by two hostile countries.

                  We afghans need to ask the usa to leave. They lost. They can't win this war. At the same time we need to kick out pro paki and pro indian elements from our country. We need also to engage in serious peace talks with the "moderate" taliban and also reform our current system which is corrupt and dysfunctional to the core.

                  Afghans living in the west need to smell the coffee and wake up. Democracy can't work in a country like afghanistan. This system, in order to bloom and thrive needs stable nation-states and ethnically homogenous states. If this basic condition is not meet all politics will be turned into sectarian and ethnic hatred and political games. We are witnessing this even in the usa.

                  Democracy promotes factionalism which is dangerous and toxic in diverse and multicultural countries like the ones in the islamic world.
                  .


                  I hate politics !
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                    The only Wahabi regular on this forum is Shamlawar, and he barely posts here anymore.

                    And most of the Pakistani Pashtuns here aren’t particularly patriotic. In fact, most seem to recognize that Pakistan has little to do with them (as it’s a country for Indic Muslims), and the ones who oppose independence/reunification only seem to do so out of fear that those routes would cause even more problems than they currently face.

                    But anyway, the best thing America can do for us is leaving and never returning. Defunding Pakistan is a nice start, but ultimately meaningless as long as they continue occupying our land.



                    LOL, I don’t know how you could’ve reached that conclusion from that post. Just look at my posting history if you really think that.

                    For me it’s simple: while Pakistan is a big problem, the biggest one for Afghanistan is the corrupt failure of a state in Kabul that’s only kept from collapsing by continued US occupation.

                    Our country isn’t ever going to improve until the US leaves. Their puppet government is awful and corrupt, and the Taliban will never stop fighting as long foreigners remain in Afghanistan.

                    Once the US leaves, the successor government can figure out how to deal with Pakistan. But right now our country is stuck and can’t go anywhere because we will never accept invaders.
                    this probably has nothing to do with the topic but my great granfather nurzai billionaire in 1950 sent letter to government saying he has 30k nurzai soldier under his command to help attack pakistan.
                    [B][SIZE="7"][SIZE="1"][COLOR="DarkOrchid"][U][I]بسم الله‎[/I][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                      Difference is Afghanistan was created by its own people and just replaced the name Khurasan just like Khorasan replaced Ariana. Thus not a fake nation unlike a country like Porkistan which was created by England.

                      Irani dog do you consider Iran a fake nation aswell?
                      Of course I consider Iran also a fake nation-state. But Iranians haven't developed a sense of nationhood like we Afghans. Iranian Kurds, Baluchs or Turkemans don't care much about Iran and many of them wouldn't hesitate to separate from Iran if they had the opportunity.

                      Thats not the case in Afghanistan where nobody wants the country to be split along ethnic or sectarian lines except for few deluded nationalists.

                      Your fake nationalist mumbo-jumbo about Khorasan, Aryana and Afghanistan keep it to yourself. I don't care about your imaginary 500000 million years old history LOL
                      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                      -Ferdowsi.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nurzai View Post
                        this probably has nothing to do with the topic but my great granfather nurzai billionaire in 1950 sent letter to government saying he has 30k nurzai soldier under his command to help attack pakistan.
                        Sure lol
                        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                        -Ferdowsi.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                          If not for Zaher Shah who's family was put into power by the Brits, Pashtun and maybe Baluchistan would be apart of Afghanistan today.
                          Why would we need Baluchistan? Baluch have their own identity. Also, Zahir Shah's family and Aman-deep family are the same family. Aman-deep is Zahir Shah's uncle.

                          seriously, are you sure you're Afghan?

                          Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                          Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                          don’t try to be smart.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                            I don't think he is lying I have heard similar stories from other Pak Pashtuns
                            well he is since he's a troll account lol

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                              and the Pakistan/Wahabi support party on this forum will be completely against this 100%

                              But in reality this is the best thing the US has done for Afghanistan.
                              not for afghanistan but for afghan thieves and thugs

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