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  • From Akbar to Altaf: Grandchildren of the mighty Mughal Empire

    1. Introduction
    We, the Muhajirs of Pakistan, are the direct descendants of the loyal subjects of the Mughal Empire and its successor states. The cultivated Muslims once found at the imperial courts of India are now to be found in the form of Pakistan’s only modern and secular political party: the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM). [Translation: United People’s Movement]
    Despite the final dissolution of the Mughal Empire in 1857, the Mughal spirit stayed alive inside our hearts and souls. We started looking East and West, and we saw a way to reconstitute our Mughal entity. Our hope was not lost, even after 100 years of British subjugation. Our wish was simply to live as a free people in our own land, a modern resurrection of the Mughal Empire.
    In a quest to preserve – but also modernise – our inherited Mughal culture, we created Pakistan. Inspired by the democratic ideals of the Urdu-speaking elites and thinkers, millions of Indian Muslims migrated East and West to the new state. But there was one problem. The inhabitants of the land (the Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns) did not share the secular, progressive and liberal vision of the migrants. Our problems started the day after we created Pakistan. What began as a pursuit of something akin to the ‘American dream’ became the Muhajirs’ worst nightmare.
    I now present to you a decisive chronological account of Muhajir history spanning from Akbar to Altaf.

    2. Muhajir’s Glorious Mughal Empire, destroyed by harsh Sharia
    The Muhajirs learnt from experience that glory and wealth follows a liberal and secular legal system, and chaos follows the imposition of harsh religious laws.
    2.1 Secularism vs. Sharia in the Mughal Empire
    Urdu-Speaking (proto-) Muhajirs built the Taj Mahal and countless exquisite buildings and monuments; we fought and many times defeated the British invaders with generals such as Tipu Sultan; we produced some of the greatest art, music, dance, jewellery, literature and poetry the world has ever seen; and in the good times we extended liberal and secular rule which made India by far the wealthiest country on earth of its time.

    Urdu Speaking Muhajirs built the Taj Mahal, arguably the most beautiful building on earth.
    Then we lost it all. The Emperor Aurangzeb seized power in 1658 after executing his brother Prince Dara Shikoh, the liberal eldest son and appointed successor of Emperor Shah Jahan. Aurangzeb turned away from the secular ideology of Akbar (ruled 1556-1605) which had brought glory. Between 1556 and Aurangzeb’s death in 1707, there were four Mughal Emperors (Akbar, Jahangir, Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb).Yet after Aurangzeb, there were eleven Mughal Emperors in 53 years (1707-1760).
    Akbar’s rule paved the way for pluralism, liberalism and secularism. All religions were allowed to be practised relatively freely. Akbar himself founded a syncretistic religious tradition of his own (Din-e-Elahi), seeking to combine human rationality, Sufism (Islamic mysticism), and Indic philosophies. This was certainly extraordinary for an era that saw the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition in Europe. Above all, Akbar’s government granted personal freedoms, with limited State intervention in the private lives of individuals.

    Aurangzeb destroyed the Mughal Empire by imposing harsh sharia laws
    In contrast to Akbar’s rule, Aurangzeb created the conditions for the destruction of the Mughal Empire with his imposition of harsh sharia. Aurangzeb’s Islamism ended up breaking the all-India economic ties that had strengthened the Mughals. His greedy successors grew up illiterate in anything except Theology, and many spent their entire time seeking hedonistic pleasure and killing anyone who challenged their rule. Aurangzeb outlawed alcohol, gambling, narcotics, music and dancing.

    Such ‘terrorist’ behaviour led to chronic consequences. Whenever alcohol is banned, criminal networks start making money by bootlegging. Whenever gambling is banned, private gambling houses are set up by gangsters who often start bribing local law enforcement officials to keep their gambling dens open – this in turn starts corrupting the government. Whenever narcotics are banned, brutal gangs start dealing drugs by exploiting innocent children (it is, thus, better to regulate the use of hard narcotics and treat it as an illness). Whenever music and dancing is banned and men and women are kept separate, the natural desire of men and women to congregate is driven underground and vast numbers of people start living secret double lives.

    Criminal gangs became rich due to Aurangzeb’s policies. Social structures were diminished and Hindus/Sikhs were persecuted, which led to a fatal weakening of the Mughal Empire. After Aurangzeb, the Mughal economy suffered due to 3 decades of calamitous wars of succession. There were 6 Emperors in the 12 years after Aurangzeb, and there was permanent war. Mughal Armies were not being paid on time, the soldiers were being mistreated, useless sycophants were being promoted as generals, and nobody wants to fight for a greedy king.
    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

  • #2
    Lets make things clear.

    1) ¥oU are a Muhajir Aka Dalit convert. Yoy have no connection with Mughals beside being conqured and ruled by them for centuries.

    2) Taj Mahal was built by Turks, Rajput and Iranian Muslims and Hindus who built it by Mixing Persian doms with Rajputi architecture thus, gave birth to their own distinct Indo-Mughal/Persian Architecture.

    Lastly,it was built by using hard Earned Money of Indics, Afghans and drividians by Mughals. You were their dalit slave good for nothing beside using as Slave for Menial Jobs.

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    • #3
      Mughals were a disgrace to Islam, with the possible exception of Orangzaib Alamgir who was somewhat under the influence of Mujaddid Alf Thani Ahmad Sirhindi (rahmatullah alaih).

      Most Indian Muslims are descendants of Sudra converts not Dalits as far as I know.

      The Muhajirs of Pakistan are too liberal for my taste, and they are mostly Barelwi and Twelver Shia. A lot of educated Muhajirs and Urdu-speakers are sadly becoming "Quranist" Hadith-rejecters.

      Taj Mahal has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It is an example of the type of waste and luxury the Mughals indulged in. Taj Mahal is an elaborate tomb and it is forbidden in Islam to build such tombs or to travel in order to visit them.
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      • #4
        Why is Killzai trolling himself?

        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
        don’t try to be smart.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
          Why is Killzai trolling himself?
          i thought all three of them were the same person

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kunatawar View Post
            i thought all three of them were the same person
            Zda kawoonkai is killzai, likely the same with ShahiZai and kanishka/RightWingPakhtun.

            Dhul-Fiqar is a mentally ill Qadiani who’s run a blog for years and only recently began to grace this forum with his presence. I highly doubt he’s also killzai (though if he was, that’d be some next level trolling).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
              Zda kawoonkai is killzai, likely the same with ShahiZai and kanishka/RightWingPakhtun.

              Dhul-Fiqar is a mentally ill Qadiani who’s run a blog for years and only recently began to grace this forum with his presence. I highly doubt he’s also killzai (though if he was, that’d be some next level trolling).
              Please refer to him as "Zulfy" as Dhul-Fiqar is a name of great esteem. Zulfy just means Girl's lock of hair, which is fitting since he has curly hair like Richard Simmons.


              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ibrahim ShahiZai View Post
                Lets make things clear.

                1) ¥oU are a Muhajir Aka Dalit convert. Yoy have no connection with Mughals beside being conqured and ruled by them for centuries.

                2) Taj Mahal was built by Turks, Rajput and Iranian Muslims and Hindus who built it by Mixing Persian doms with Rajputi architecture thus, gave birth to their own distinct Indo-Mughal/Persian Architecture.

                Lastly,it was built by using hard Earned Money of Indics, Afghans and drividians by Mughals. You were their dalit slave good for nothing beside using as Slave for Menial Jobs.
                1. If I was a Dalit, why do I not look like one? I bet you look more like a Dravidian than I do - makh de ra khkara ka, da kutanee zoya.

                2. Taj Mahal was not built by Turks - they live in Turkey. The Mughals were of Uzbek origin.

                Man uchun anang ga salam ayting. Marhamat. Yes I can speak the original language of the Mughals.
                Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار View Post
                  Mughals were a disgrace to Islam, with the possible exception of Orangzaib Alamgir who was somewhat under the influence of Mujaddid Alf Thani Ahmad Sirhindi (rahmatullah alaih).

                  Most Indian Muslims are descendants of Sudra converts not Dalits as far as I know.

                  The Muhajirs of Pakistan are too liberal for my taste, and they are mostly Barelwi and Twelver Shia. A lot of educated Muhajirs and Urdu-speakers are sadly becoming "Quranist" Hadith-rejecters.

                  Taj Mahal has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It is an example of the type of waste and luxury the Mughals indulged in. Taj Mahal is an elaborate tomb and it is forbidden in Islam to build such tombs or to travel in order to visit them.
                  God you people are so annoying. Which country do you live in btw?
                  Why can't you just chill out and grab a beer ffs?
                  Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                  He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                  "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                  "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                  Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                    Zda kawoonkai is killzai, likely the same with ShahiZai and kanishka/RightWingPakhtun.

                    Dhul-Fiqar is a mentally ill Qadiani who’s run a blog for years and only recently began to grace this forum with his presence. I highly doubt he’s also killzai (though if he was, that’d be some next level trolling).
                    Lewanai only Zda Kawunkey is me aka Killzai.

                    Zma khyal wo che dagha Zulfiqar user pa haqiqat ke yawa jinay da?
                    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                    He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                    "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                    "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                    Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                      Please refer to him as "Zulfy" as Dhul-Fiqar is a name of great esteem. Zulfy just means Girl's lock of hair, which is fitting since he has curly hair like Richard Simmons.

                      Haha good one.

                      Torey zulfy ka shana shana shana pa spin makh guley dana dana

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                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                      He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                      "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                      "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                      Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by زده کوونکی View Post
                        Lewanai only Zda Kawunkey is me aka Killzai.

                        Zma khyal wo che dagha Zulfiqar user pa haqiqat ke yawa jinay da?
                        enjali na dai magam yaw shezlak dzeka chi war bande "Zulfy" wayum.

                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          enjali na dai magam yaw shezlak dzeka chi war bande "Zulfy" wayum.
                          Hahaha

                          Tell her I said don't get your zulfy in a twist!
                          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                          He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                          "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                          "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                          Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                          • #14
                            Dostum also has considerable influence in Turkey and accros the Amu Darya.
                            Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                            He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                            "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                            "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                            Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                            • #15
                              stupidest thread ever, how in the world would muhajrs build Taj Mahal when they didn;t even exist back then, we were all Indians

                              and while some muhajirs indeed maybe have some outside blood, it doesn;t matter anymore, 90% of your genes are still local indian

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