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    Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN reportAfghanistan Analysts Network | Afghanistan Analysts Network

    Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN report
    Author: Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten Date: 29 June 2017 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Print
    Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.
    Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.

    The Taleban’s ideology has transformed over the past two decades. While the movement once typified a ‘traditionalist’ Islam – that is, it sought to articulate and defend a particular concept of Islam found in southern Pashtun villages – it is now, in its insurgency phase, closer to forms of political Islam espoused in the Arab world. This does not mean that the Taleban are less conservative or authoritarian, rather that the objects of their repression and the way they frame their mission have shifted in important ways. In a major new report, AAN guest authors Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten examine the changes as well as the continuity in the Taleban’s ideology from the 1980s to the present day. The report is the product of years of interviews, fieldwork in Afghanistan, as well as their time working with the Taliban Sources Project archive, a significant collection of documents relating to the Taleban movement.

    Outsiders have been trying to understand the Afghan Taleban for over two decades. Most of the members of the movement’s leadership have avoided interviews and public appearances, and the ongoing conflict has made tracking them down for a wider ethnographic study extremely dangerous. Until recently, this left researchers with few options. Over the past seven years, however, an archival project took shape, culminating in the Taliban Sources Project. It has been tremendously challenging to collect, digitise and translate the Taleban’s written output over the years. The authors’ initial motivation was that it would stimulate new research into the movement’s history. As the authors collected more, they thought it was worth trying to examine the ways in which the Taleban’s ideology had changed over time.

    The documents and interviews challenge three conventional notions of Taleban ideology:

    That the Taleban’s ideology is a mechanical, literalist interpretation of Islam that has not changed in over thirty years.
    That the Taleban’s ideology was born in Pakistani refugee camps, and represents a phenomenon alien to Afghan society.
    That the Taleban’s ideology represents a form of Deobandism (or, in some variants, Wahhabism) that stands in opposition to Sufism and other religious tendencies prevalent in Afghan society.
    The main conclusions drawn in the paper are that the Afghan Taleban’s ideology is a) the result of a sophisticated internal logic that has changed in subtle but important ways over the years, b) the origins of the Taleban’s ideology lie in the southern Pashtun village, not the Pakistani refugee camp, and 3) their thinking is heavily infused with Sufism.


    Recently, however, the Taleban have seen a shift towards a more ‘modern’ type of Islamist reasoning found in groups ranging from the Muslim Brotherhood to al-Qaeda. The key transformation in Taleban ideology has been a shift from an emphasis on outward conduct – the knowledge of rites, bodily comportment, a Prophetic lifestyle, prayer techniques and schedules and other aspects of everyday rituals – to behaviour that today focuses more on internal beliefs and loyalty. This shift is strongest in sections of the leadership – while the rank-and-file in some cases may still be espousing traditionalist viewpoints.

    Revolutionary Islamism, however, does not necessarily translate as transnational jihad. In fact, what continues to unite all wings of the Afghan Taleban movement is a commitment to Afghanistan’s sovereignty—which is, in effect, a form of nationalism.

    Publication date: 29 June 2017

    The full report can be downloaded here.
    Last edited by khushal; 11-24-2017, 05:41 PM.

  • #2
    The full report here.

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    • #3
      1. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
      The Taleban’s ideology is historically rooted in
      the world of the pre-1979, southern Pashtun
      village. The village contains various and
      competing ethical traditions, one of which laid
      the basis for the future Taleban movement.
      Key features of Taleban repression, such as
      restrictions on women or banning music, have
      their antecedents in the southern Pashtun
      countryside.
      More than half of the Taleban senior
      leadership – including nearly all the key
      ideological influencers – were born before
      1965, which means that they received their
      primary education and formative childhood
      experiences prior to the 1979 upheaval.
      The classic theory of the Taleban states that
      the movement is the product of extremist
      Pakistani madrassas, but data presented here
      suggests that at least 60 per cent of the
      leadership received a significant portion of
      their education inside Afghanistan.
      The education of the core of the senior
      leadership took place in hujras, informal
      guestrooms in village mosques, and featured a
      curriculum that was far more eclectic and
      irregular than the Deobandi curriculum found
      in major Afghan and Pakistani madrassas.
      Through links to Deobandism and indigenous
      religious practice, the Taleban leadership,
      particularly supreme leader Mullah
      Muhammad Omar, were deeply influenced by
      Sufism.
      The Taleban’s ideology has transformed over
      the past two decades. While the movement
      once typified a ‘traditionalist’ Islam – that is, it
      sought to articulate and defend a particular
      conception of Islam found in the southern
      Pashtun village – it is now, during its
      insurgency phase, closer to the form of
      political Islam espoused in the Arab world. This
      does not mean that the Taleban are less
      conservative or less authoritarian, but rather
      that the objects of their repression, and the
      way they frame their mission, have shifted in
      important ways.
      The Taleban’s ideology is based on a particular
      epistemology, a theory of knowledge, in their
      case, religious knowledge. In the past, this
      epistemology was intimately linked to certain
      rural Pashtun traditions of virtue, but in the
      present, it is more similar to the ‘modern’ type
      of Islamist reasoning found in groups ranging
      from the Muslim Brotherhood to al Qaeda.
      This shift is largely a reflection of the
      pragmatic concerns of statecraft and
      especially of running an insurgency. A study of
      the foundations of this epistemology suggest
      that the group’s beliefs and practices were
      never simply a mechanical imitation of a
      literalist reading of texts or a blind attempt to
      recreate the early days of Prophet
      Muhammad, but rather were the result of a
      AAN Thematic Report 01/2017
      2 Gopal and Strick van Linschoten: Ideology in the Afghan Taleban
      sophisticated internal logic that was deeply
      tied to notions of honour, virtue and
      repressive power among Pashtun villagers.
      The key transformation of Taleban ideology
      was a shift from an emphasis on exterior
      states– through the knowledge of rites, bodily
      comportment, the Prophetic lifestyle, prayer
      techniques and schedules, and other aspects
      of everyday ritual– to one that today
      emphasises interior states of belief and
      loyalty. The distinction is between act and
      intent as the objects of Taleban repression.
      This shift, which is strongest in sections of the
      leadership, helps explain the movement’s
      embrace of once-forbidden items such as film
      and photography. The pragmatic exigencies of
      waging an insurgency spurred this ideological
      shift.

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      • #4
        Basically this report confirms what I and a few other have been saying since the beginning. Most people here are robotic and simplistic minded people that just repeat what they hear instead of thinking for themselves logically to see the reality.

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        • #5
          some interesting excerpts:
          When the
          communist government in Kandahar fell in 1992,
          the mujahedin groups captured and distributed the
          important spoils among themselves, including key
          military and government instillations, but awarded
          the taleban the relatively unimportant old Soviet
          family barracks on the edge of town.68
          Uninterested in state power, the talebs retreated
          to their home villages or moved to Pakistan to
          continue their studies.69 As the province
          descended into internecine bloodshed, they
          remained neutral. The old ways of life appeared
          gone forever, and the country was plunging into
          moral collapse. The markers were apparent not
          only in the behaviour of checkpoint commanders—
          who robbed travellers, raped women and boys,
          and generally terrorised the roads of Kandahar—
          but also by their very appearance. Zaif, for
          instance, recalls when
          [A]t Meel bridge we arrived at Shah Baran’s
          checkpoint. He was an infamous thief and conman,
          and Meel bridge was where all the thieves from
          Zangal refugee camp had come together under
          Shah Baran’s banner to rob travellers and
          merchants. They looked rough—even not quite
          human—with long unwashed hair falling across
          their faces, black with dirt and their thick brown
          lips and teeth stained from tobacco, hashish and
          snuff. Enveloped in huge woollen cloaks, they
          squatted in the road with a large chelam [pipe for
          smoking hashish]. Each would take his turn,
          walking over to the pipe to take long deep drags.
          Their gaze would lose focus and they soon started
          to talk gibberish.

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          • #6
            As one can see that the hunger for some sort of law was being established before the Taliban started to sweep through Afghanistan:
            Importantly, it was not only the taleban who took
            offence at this state of affairs, but village society in
            general. Among the non-taleb mujahedin, too,
            there were prominent commanders who reacted
            strongly to the breakdown in society and sought to
            restore virtue. For instance, the ‘district governor’
            of Panjwayi, a mujahedin commander named
            Ma’alimFeda Muhammad, succeeded in
            eliminating thieves and pederasts in his area by
            monopolising force and enacting harsh judicial
            measures.71 In Arghandab, a journalist visiting the
            territory of mullah Naqib, a major non-taleban
            commander, wrote that
            In an indication of what may unfold in Afghanistan,
            two elderly maulavi judges appointed by the
            mujaheddin have sent out edicts to rebel
            commanders urging them to exercise more control
            over civilians by curbing such excesses as ‘the
            playing of tape-recorded music.’ Music, like murder
            and theft, is ‘un-Islamic.’ One rebel commander in
            Helmand province seized more than 700 tape
            recorders and radios and destroyed them.72

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            • #7
              Many US allied majahadeen commanders like Ismail Khan had banned many of the things that the Taliban are only blamed for:
              Herat under Ismail Khan was a city in a state of
              deep austerity, although the economy was
              booming with the return of wealthy businessmen
              from exile in Iran. Senior religious figures had an
              important say in how the city was run, and an
              ‘Office for the Propagation of Virtue and the
              Prevention of Vice’ was established. Various edicts
              affecting the day to day lives of ordinary people
              were issued. For example, Heratis were keen
              pigeon fanciers and many men kept pigeon lofts on
              the roofs of their houses in the old city and would
              fly their flocks of birds as a hobby, catching them
              again with large nets. This activity was banned, on
              the grounds that it could lead to men spying into
              the courtyards of their neighbours’ houses and
              observing their womenfolk unveiled. When the ban
              was announced on local television the point was
              emphasised by several pigeons having their necks
              wrung in front of the camera: a warning of what
              would happen to the birds of anyone apprehended
              indulging in this illicit sport. Likewise, there was a
              ban on flying kites from the rooftops in case young
              men were on the lookout for girls.73
              Herat authorities significantly curtailed the
              performance of music. Baily writes that:
              [A] great deal of… music, such as love songs and
              music for dancing, could not be performed. The
              license also stipulated that musicians must play
              without amplification… Music could be performed
              by male musicians at private parties indoors, but
              professional women musicians were forbidden to
              perform and several were briefly imprisoned for
              transgressing this regulation.

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              • #8
                And so on and so on........

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN reportAfghanistan Analysts Network | Afghanistan Analysts Network

                  Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN report
                  Author: Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten Date: 29 June 2017 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Print
                  Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.
                  Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.

                  The Taleban’s ideology has transformed over the past two decades. While the movement once typified a ‘traditionalist’ Islam – that is, it sought to articulate and defend a particular concept of Islam found in southern Pashtun villages – it is now, in its insurgency phase, closer to forms of political Islam espoused in the Arab world. This does not mean that the Taleban are less conservative or authoritarian, rather that the objects of their repression and the way they frame their mission have shifted in important ways. In a major new report, AAN guest authors Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten examine the changes as well as the continuity in the Taleban’s ideology from the 1980s to the present day. The report is the product of years of interviews, fieldwork in Afghanistan, as well as their time working with the Taliban Sources Project archive, a significant collection of documents relating to the Taleban movement.

                  Outsiders have been trying to understand the Afghan Taleban for over two decades. Most of the members of the movement’s leadership have avoided interviews and public appearances, and the ongoing conflict has made tracking them down for a wider ethnographic study extremely dangerous. Until recently, this left researchers with few options. Over the past seven years, however, an archival project took shape, culminating in the Taliban Sources Project. It has been tremendously challenging to collect, digitise and translate the Taleban’s written output over the years. The authors’ initial motivation was that it would stimulate new research into the movement’s history. As the authors collected more, they thought it was worth trying to examine the ways in which the Taleban’s ideology had changed over time.

                  The documents and interviews challenge three conventional notions of Taleban ideology:

                  That the Taleban’s ideology is a mechanical, literalist interpretation of Islam that has not changed in over thirty years.
                  That the Taleban’s ideology was born in Pakistani refugee camps, and represents a phenomenon alien to Afghan society.
                  That the Taleban’s ideology represents a form of Deobandism (or, in some variants, Wahhabism) that stands in opposition to Sufism and other religious tendencies prevalent in Afghan society.
                  The main conclusions drawn in the paper are that the Afghan Taleban’s ideology is a) the result of a sophisticated internal logic that has changed in subtle but important ways over the years, b) the origins of the Taleban’s ideology lie in the southern Pashtun village, not the Pakistani refugee camp, and 3) their thinking is heavily infused with Sufism.


                  Recently, however, the Taleban have seen a shift towards a more ‘modern’ type of Islamist reasoning found in groups ranging from the Muslim Brotherhood to al-Qaeda. The key transformation in Taleban ideology has been a shift from an emphasis on outward conduct – the knowledge of rites, bodily comportment, a Prophetic lifestyle, prayer techniques and schedules and other aspects of everyday rituals – to behaviour that today focuses more on internal beliefs and loyalty. This shift is strongest in sections of the leadership – while the rank-and-file in some cases may still be espousing traditionalist viewpoints.

                  Revolutionary Islamism, however, does not necessarily translate as transnational jihad. In fact, what continues to unite all wings of the Afghan Taleban movement is a commitment to Afghanistan’s sovereignty—which is, in effect, a form of nationalism.

                  Publication date: 29 June 2017

                  The full report can be downloaded here.
                  Best post of the week. Thanks for this. The majority of the NDS/Urbanite narrative comes from those who have minimal familiarity with rural/village life back home. Their views are often suspect to secondary gain as well. Most of their conclusions were dismissible from the get go.

                  Gopal and van Linschoten are beyond reproach and have spent more time in the rural country side (often without protection) then 99.99999% of the dog washers.
                  "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by khushal View Post
                    Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN reportAfghanistan Analysts Network | Afghanistan Analysts Network

                    Ideology in the Afghan Taliban: A new AAN report
                    Author: Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten Date: 29 June 2017 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Print
                    Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.
                    Kherqa-ye Sharif (the shrine of the Holy Cloak) in Kandahar. The cloak belonged to the Prophet Muhammad and was displayed to a crowd by Mullah Omar when he was declared amir ul-mumenin in the spring of 1996.

                    The Taleban’s ideology has transformed over the past two decades. While the movement once typified a ‘traditionalist’ Islam – that is, it sought to articulate and defend a particular concept of Islam found in southern Pashtun villages – it is now, in its insurgency phase, closer to forms of political Islam espoused in the Arab world. This does not mean that the Taleban are less conservative or authoritarian, rather that the objects of their repression and the way they frame their mission have shifted in important ways. In a major new report, AAN guest authors Anand Gopal and Alex Strick van Linschoten examine the changes as well as the continuity in the Taleban’s ideology from the 1980s to the present day. The report is the product of years of interviews, fieldwork in Afghanistan, as well as their time working with the Taliban Sources Project archive, a significant collection of documents relating to the Taleban movement.

                    Outsiders have been trying to understand the Afghan Taleban for over two decades. Most of the members of the movement’s leadership have avoided interviews and public appearances, and the ongoing conflict has made tracking them down for a wider ethnographic study extremely dangerous. Until recently, this left researchers with few options. Over the past seven years, however, an archival project took shape, culminating in the Taliban Sources Project. It has been tremendously challenging to collect, digitise and translate the Taleban’s written output over the years. The authors’ initial motivation was that it would stimulate new research into the movement’s history. As the authors collected more, they thought it was worth trying to examine the ways in which the Taleban’s ideology had changed over time.

                    The documents and interviews challenge three conventional notions of Taleban ideology:

                    That the Taleban’s ideology is a mechanical, literalist interpretation of Islam that has not changed in over thirty years.
                    That the Taleban’s ideology was born in Pakistani refugee camps, and represents a phenomenon alien to Afghan society.
                    That the Taleban’s ideology represents a form of Deobandism (or, in some variants, Wahhabism) that stands in opposition to Sufism and other religious tendencies prevalent in Afghan society.
                    The main conclusions drawn in the paper are that the Afghan Taleban’s ideology is a) the result of a sophisticated internal logic that has changed in subtle but important ways over the years, b) the origins of the Taleban’s ideology lie in the southern Pashtun village, not the Pakistani refugee camp, and 3) their thinking is heavily infused with Sufism.


                    Recently, however, the Taleban have seen a shift towards a more ‘modern’ type of Islamist reasoning found in groups ranging from the Muslim Brotherhood to al-Qaeda. The key transformation in Taleban ideology has been a shift from an emphasis on outward conduct – the knowledge of rites, bodily comportment, a Prophetic lifestyle, prayer techniques and schedules and other aspects of everyday rituals – to behaviour that today focuses more on internal beliefs and loyalty. This shift is strongest in sections of the leadership – while the rank-and-file in some cases may still be espousing traditionalist viewpoints.

                    Revolutionary Islamism, however, does not necessarily translate as transnational jihad. In fact, what continues to unite all wings of the Afghan Taleban movement is a commitment to Afghanistan’s sovereignty—which is, in effect, a form of nationalism.

                    Publication date: 29 June 2017

                    The full report can be downloaded here.
                    The closest I have seen an outside academic (besides Scheuer) brush past the idiocy of the Barnett Rubin, Cheryl Bernard (Khalilzad's retarded wife) type narrative of the ISI somehow commanding an army of Zombies is by Aaron O Connell from Texas:

                    Yes. Well, the war in Afghanistan is actually part of a number of wars — five, to be exact. And three of them predate American involvement in the country. The most crucial of these is a three-century-long fight inside the Pashtun tribe between Kabuli elites and Kandahari elites and then people from the rural areas of Afghanistan. So, that’s been going on for a long time, and nothing we can do is really going to change it.
                    Criticizing Trump, McCain proposes new Afghanistan strategy | PBS NewsHour

                    The moment one hears those fools of the aforementioned ilk start talking, its best to understand you are either talking to someone who has been A) influenced by their parents who had a stake or an agenda B) someone with secondary gain (e.g. a relative making a lot of money of the war) or C) someone who is too dumb to understand that by perpetuating a false narrative - they are only prolonging war and suffering.
                    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                    • #11
                      Dont forgot the retardness of Ahmed Rashid.

                      The mainstream view of Taleban ideology
                      is perhaps best suggested by the following
                      passage, from Ahmed Rashid’s influential and
                      seminal work Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and
                      Fundamentalism in Central Asia:
                      2
                      “Many of [the Taleban] had been born in Pakistani
                      refugee camps, educated in Pakistani madrassas
                      and had learnt their fighting skills from Mujaheddin
                      parties based in Pakistan. As such the younger
                      Taliban barely knew their own country or history,
                      but from their madrassas they learnt about the
                      ideal Islamic society created by the Prophet
                      Mohammed 1,400 years ago and this is what they
                      wanted to emulate.”3
                      The implication is that the Taleban are, in essence,
                      a phenomenon alien to Afghan society. Their vision
                      articulates an ideal found in Pakistani madrassas,
                      not in the southern Pashtun village. They are a
                      result of the politicisation and radicalisation of
                      Islam under Pakistani General Zia ul-Haq and Saudi
                      patronage. This strand of thought has found a wide
                      echo in academia and the policy sphere. Some
                      authors link the Taleban to Wahhabism, the
                      austere version of Islam in Saudi Arabia that seeks
                      to strip the religion of ‘innovation’ (bid’a) and
                      return it to the (imagined) practice of the time of
                      the Prophet. Indeed, the identification of the
                      Taleban with Wahhabism is perhaps the most
                      enduring characterisation of Taleban ideology in
                      policy research and the media.

                      It turns out that both of these and many other
                      widely-held conceptions are false. To take one
                      example: if most Taleban were born in Pakistani
                      refugee camps—which only came into existence in
                      1979—it would mean that they would have been
                      between the ages of 14 and 20, at most, during the
                      period of rule of the Islamic Emirate (the Taleban’s name for their government). While this may have
                      been true for foot soldiers, it was unlikely the case
                      for commanders, and was certainly not the case
                      for the Taleban leadership.
                      Last edited by khushal; 11-28-2017, 10:25 PM.

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