Pashtuns as Iranian people?

[Toramana]

Other words

beenum (Persian) to see: winum
goyam, to say: waayam
khordum, to eat: khuram
rawee, to go: rawam yam
kardam, to do: koom

[Toramana]

Khushal and Iblees, don't just kick in the air. Say something that makes sense.

[Firdousi]

Since we don't have any of those , any external sources like the persian shouldn't be considered.

Sunni Muslim sources are the most trust worthy so far including hadeeth.

They all point out to Bani Israel.

You must love to be called Iranian subgroup even though you aren't.

No s-hit, Sherlock haha.

I don't really buy this Anglosaxon/Western BS of labeling people into some weird absurd categories as all people are the same everywhere. "White people", "Black people", "Gay people", "women", "lefties", "far right", "religious and non-religious people".. come on, its pretty s-tupid lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is no way in hell that the terms Avagana or Awghan are referring to anyone other than Afghans. Sorry no chance.

However I do believe words such as Apakan, Abgan, Ayghan are reaching a lil bit.

False cognates my friend, false cognates.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Although Tarikh-i-Guzida of Qazwini is written in 1330, the supplementary chapter at the end , known as Muzafarnama, in which Awghans and Germai stuff is mentioned, is not authored by Qazwini but by unknown author of Timur times. It is omitted from most of the manuscripts of Tarikh-i-Guzdia. It gives details about Muzaffarid dynasty up to the period of 1393, so this Muzaffarnama chapter of Tarikh-i-Guzdia was written during the reign of Timur. From the same period , there are two sources which mentions Awghans ;

1- The autobiography of Timur, Malfuzat-i-Timuri or or Tuzk-i-Timuri. He uses the pronunciation Awghan and they appear in in the events before invasion of India. The English translation of part of the relevant passage is ;

"The design which i formed for clearing road to Hindustan, from the Awghans, was this.

It was reported unto me that certain of the Awghans infested the road to Hindustan, and robbed and plundered therein : and especially Musa Awghan, who was the head of the tribe of Gurgus (Ghurghust?). And he came down on Lashkar Shah Awghan, who was one of my servants and well-wishers........."

2- A biography of Timur by name of Zafarnama, written in 1424, by Sharfuddin Ali al-Yazidi, also uses the pronunciation Awghan and says "....Pir Muhammad Khan (grandson of Timur) began with the plunder of the Awghans, inhabitants of Sulieman-koh, which country they entirely ravaged".

Even if we accept all this, none of this verifies a pre-Millennial reference to Afghans, although I'm willing to believe Afghans were present as Early as 7th century, but not this "5000 years" claim. That's absurd.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Khushal and Iblees, don't just kick in the air. Say something that makes sense.

Go get us some chai, parachi bibi

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Since we don't have any of those , any external sources like the persian shouldn't be considered.

Sunni Muslim sources are the most trust worthy so far including hadeeth.

They all point out to Bani Israel.

You must love to be called Iranian subgroup even though you aren't.

What are you gauging their "trustworthiness" upon if I may ask?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Other words

beenum (Persian) to see: winum
goyam, to say: waayam
khordum, to eat: khuram
rawee, to go: rawam yam
kardam, to do: koom

Khordum and kardam past tense, mekhorum/mekonum or khorum/konum is present (correct me if I'm wrong [MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION])

[Firdousi]

Khordum and kardam past tense, mekhorum/mekonum or khorum/konum is present (correct me if I'm wrong [MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION])

"khordum" =I ate.
"kardam"= I did.
"Mekhorum" = I am eating.
"Mekonum"= I am doing.

Just be careful with the verb "kardan". It has also a "funny" meaning. Its slang for "having sex". "Man hin dokhtar-e kardam": I had sex with this girl lol Also its important to know that most of Persian verbs have several meanings (polysemy). For example "khordan" means "to eat", but it can also have other meanings: "man lat khordam" (I got beaten up), etc

BTW Persian accents can be noticed by the way we end verbs like "kardam". For example, Teheranis say "man kardam" (I did), while Heratis and Mashadis say "me kardom" and Kabulis say "maa kardem" (Kabulis use the pronoun "we" to call oneself). Also verbs are easy to conjugate in Farsi:

"Man kardam"
"To kardi"
"Hu kard"
"Ma kardim"
"Shoma kardid"
"Hunha/hanha kardand"

We Heratis have tendency end words with "au". For example "shab" (night) its said "shau". "Ab" (Water) its said "au". "Ghaaw" (cow) its said "ghau" and so on.

[salman47]

Since we don't have any of those , any external sources like the persian shouldn't be considered.

Sunni Muslim sources are the most trust worthy so far including hadeeth.

They all point out to Bani Israel.

You must love to be called Iranian subgroup even though you aren't.

Which Chars are you smoking? Can you give me the recipe as well?

P.S. Why is an Arab more trust-worthy than our persian brethren or the Western foriegners?

[Akbar]

Which Chars are you smoking? Can you give me the recipe as well?

P.S. Why is an Arab more trust-worthy than our persian brethren or the Western foriegners?

At least I'm not smoking tons of heroine with you and your iranic brethren.

I trust sunni muslim sources as they don't need to be biased towards us matter of fact they have been historical our best friends.
Unlike your brethren who were our enemies. I did not say Arab but an iranics wanna be you jumped.

One hadeeth of our prophet pbuh is worth more than any Persian or western source.

Sorry kid you aren't Arian or iranics ubermensch.


Btw when I say Persian I mean Iranians and no way any Tajiks or dari speakers. They are our brother through thick and thin and our culture is near identical.

[jama0112]

"At least I'm not smoking tons of heroine with you and your iranic brethren."

I'm not a pan-iranist(even though back then i wasn't very much into it) anymore, but are you saying that you aren't a pahstun? I'm a little confused?

[Akbar]

"At least I'm not smoking tons of heroine with you and your iranic brethren."

I'm not a pan-iranist(even though back then i wasn't very much into it) anymore, but are you saying that you aren't a pahstun? I'm a little confused?

Pashtuns are not iranic people.
Pashtuns are totally different people.
Our languages is not iranic language.

[maneatinglizard]

One hadeeth of our prophet pbuh is worth more than any Persian or western source.

Undoubtedly, but there is no hadith that mentions Afghans/Pashtuns, let alone says that we are Bani Israel. The ahadith about Khurasan don't use Afghan/Pashtun either, nor do any of them say that the inhabitants of Khurasan are from Bani Israel either, as far as I'm aware.

[jama0112]

I'm pretty sure we're, despite our culture is straight out different from persians/persianspeakers, balochis, kurds and ossetians.