What Happened to Honor Code of Taliban?

[maneatinglizard]

How is social welfare un-Islamic? I'd like some clarification here because my understanding of social welfare is something that Muslim governments should, and did, provide.

[ذو الفقار]

How is social welfare un-Islamic? I'd like some clarification here because my understanding of social welfare is something that Muslim governments should, and did, provide.

Islamic government provided for the poor from their collection of Zakaat and from Khums or one-fifth of the spoils of war. A welfare state is a European conception which goes much beyond this. In a welfare state there are much more taxes which have nothing to do with Islam, like income tax, property tax, estate tax, and God knows what other kind of unjust taxes are being imposed on the oppressed people. This is Zulm for sure. This is why I oppose the idea of the welfare state which requires such excessive taxation to persist. I consider such taxation as literally the State forcing people to pay them money without their consent, i.e., stealing.

[Firdousi]

Takfiris as you say AQ have been in Afghanistan long before suicide bombers. Suicide bombers made its presence with NATO invasion.

Also suicide attacks is much older than takfiris.
Your understanding of the situation has many flaws.

Unlike IS, AQ is not a Takfiri/Khwarajite movement. Actually one of the reasons that they have been killing each other in the ME it was over that: there was a schism in the AQ leadership during the American occupation of Iraq. IS is just an offshoot of AQ, run by those people such as al Zarqawi who were extremely violent even according AQ standards.

[ذو الفقار]

Unlike IS, AQ is not a Takfiri/Khwarajite movement.

AQ non-Takfiris were responsible for assassinating your great Tajik hero "Sher-e-Panjshir"

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] , even though we are Sunnis but we have to respect Syeds because of their noble lineage.
When I say Syed , I only mean Sunni Syeds . The Shia Syeds who have adopted all the filthy heretic views are not worthy of any respect.

What kind of bigoted nonsense is this? Respect everyone based on their merits, not their background.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No, they were students of Sami al Haq of Dar al Uloom Haqqania in Nowshera, a paki Deobandi school under the patronage of Rawalpindi.

Dont blame it on Arabs.

Taliban were always savages that were indoctrinated, equipped, trained and lead by Pakiland that inflicted huge pain onto already demoralized peoples of Afghanistan.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Exactly, his narrative is just Pakistani ISI manufactured tripe, to make Taliban seem like noble soldiers of Islam. Perhaps initially, but if they were always so noble, they wouldn't have swayed so easily, which suggests they had some questionable objectives from the get go.

[Khostai]

Needless to say, as a non-Afghan non-Pashtun I’m not very acquainted or familiar with the intricacies of Afghan/Pashtun politics. I can appreciate the original Taliban of Mulla Omar which emerged in the 1990s. They were devout people and Madrassa students of Kandahar who were opposed to modernism and implemented a good Islamic society in their country. But over time Taliban have fragmented and evolved. Now they have been under the toxic influence of Takfiri Arabs from where they adapted tactics like suicide bombing, assassinations, killing civilians including little children, and other barbaric un-Islamic methods. Our ancient Mujahideen were always known for their code of honor and chivalry. They would be absolutely disgusted by the contemporary so-called “Jihadists”. I would like Taliban to return to their old code of honor and to fight the enemy in such a way which inspires people to praise them as heroic and gallant warriors of truth. Afghanistan has a history of armed Islamic uprisings against tyranny. I’m reminded of the uprising of “Sahib-e-Taloqan” Muhammad b. al-Qasim “al-Sufi” (rahmatullah alaih) during the time of the Abbasid oppressor al-Mu’tasim and the uprising of Muhammad b. Ja’far b. Yahya b. Abdullah al-Mahd in Herat, where he and his progeny ruled until the late 3rd century Hijri. These great and eminent Saadaat who came to modern-day Afghanistan were the models of bravery and how to launch an armed uprising or Qiyam against the un-Islamic regimes of the day. Taliban should follow their pattern.

Niggah there was never a honor code. Only retards belive that taliban were the good guys. You must be retarded too, or just a porki. What is the same thing anyway.

[khushal]

Unlike IS, AQ is not a Takfiri/Khwarajite movement. Actually one of the reasons that they have been killing each other in the ME it was over that: there was a schism in the AQ leadership during the American occupation of Iraq. IS is just an offshoot of AQ, run by those people such as al Zarqawi who were extremely violent even according AQ standards.

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Most people that use the hard power approach to revolution tend to go that route. People that are inclined to use the soft power approach tend to stay away from it.

When people use takifir tactics, it is similar to labeling someone a traitor or accusing them of treason and through history, people were executed for such crimes. One can call Jefferson and Washington as takfiri. Bush was takfiri with his "you are with us or against us" speech. The US gov in the past has executed many people for treason which is takfiri.

It's the same when some Muslims think its right to kill for apostasy especially when the society feels threatened. They view it as treason.

[khushal]

Exactly, his narrative is just Pakistani ISI manufactured tripe, to make Taliban seem like noble soldiers of Islam. Perhaps initially, but if they were always so noble, they wouldn't have swayed so easily, which suggests they had some questionable objectives from the get go.

Come on iblis, youre a learned man. Everyone including yourself knows the Mullah/Taliban/Clergy have been a part of the society for centuries. Many societies have them.

[khushal]

Niggah there was never a honor code. Only retards belive that taliban were the good guys. You must be retarded too, or just a porki. What is the same thing anyway.

The retards are the ones who think The commies who killed 2 million Afghans with Soviet forces were the good guys.

[ذو الفقار]

The following excerpt is quoted from Tarikh al-Tabari (Eng. Translation v.33 pp. 5-7). It describes the armed uprising of sayyidina Muhammad b. al-Qasim, a direct descendant of Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) through the line of Imam Zain-ul-Abidin (he was Imam Zain-ul-Abidin’s great-grandson). This uprising took place at Taloqan (modern-day Afghanistan) in the Takhar province, including in the surrounding mountains:
In the year 219 H (834 CE):
Among the events taking place during this year was the rebellion, at al-Talaqan in Khurasan, of Muhammad b. al-Qasim b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali b. al-Husayn b. ‘Ali b. Abi Talib, summoning people to the cause of “the well-pleasing one from the family of Muhammad” (al-rida min al Muhammad). A considerable number of people there rallied to his side, and military encounters took place in the vicinity of al-Talaqan and the mountains there between him and Abdullah b. Tahir’s commanders. In the end he and his followers were defeated, and he fled, seeking a certain distrinct of Khurasan whose people had been in correspondence with him. He reached Nasa, where the father of one of his followers lived, and this follower of his at that point went along in order to greet his [the follower’s] father. When he met his father, the latter asked him the news, so the man told his father about what had happened to them and how they were making for so-and-so district. The man’s father thereupon went to the governor of Nasa and told him about Muhammad b. al-Qasim’s plans. It has been mentioned that the governor gave the father 10,000 dirhams for information that would lead him to Muhammad b. al-Qasim. The father accordingly gave him information about Muhammad b. al-Qasim’s whereabouts.
So the governor went along to Muhammad b. al-Qasim, arrested him, placed him in firm custody, and dispatched him to Abdallah b. Tahir. The latter sent him to al-Mu’tasim; he was brought to him on Monday, the fourteenth of Rabi’ II (April 28, 834) and was then imprisoned, so it has been mentioned, at Samarra in the house of Masrur al-Khadim al-Kabir in a narrow cell some three by two cubits only. He remained there for three days and was then transferred to a more commodious place than the previous cell, food was given to him regularly, and a group of persons was appointed and charged with the task of guarding him. When it was the night of ‘Id al-Fitr (the thirtieth of Ramadan 219, the night of October 8 – 9, 834 and everybody was distracted by the festival and the rejoicings, he devised a stratagem for escaping.
It has been mentioned that he fled from jail by night and that a rope was let down for him from an aperture in the wall of the upper part of the house, through which light penetrated to him. When his jailers came next morning with food of his breakfast, he was missing. It has been mentioned that a reward of 100,000 dirhams was offered for whoever might give information that would lead to Muhammad b. al-Qasim; the public herald proclaimed this, but no further news was heard of him. (Uncertainty about Muhammad b. al-Qasim’s fate is reflected in stories given by Ma’sudi, including the one that he returned to al-Talaqan and was expected by the Zaydis to return as a Mahdi after his death; Isfahani regards it as most probable that he escaped to Wasit.)

[Khostai]

The retards are the ones who think The commies who killed 2 million Afghans with Soviet forces were the good guys.

The commies did not kill 2 million people, you retard. Look at the state of Afghanistan now!!

Does the goverment plant bombs and kill civilians? No its the taliban who blow up civilians, the same tacktiks were also done by your Islamic warriros who are now sitting in the goverment and steel aid money. They killed all those people and are still doing it now.

They killed the majority of the people. Communism was a cure against retards like you. And it would have cleansed the country from the barbaric and arhaic relligion that is called "Islam" that bring so much retardation that people belive in magic and demons and pay other retards money to cure them. Afghanistan has become a big joke in the international community and all thanks to retards like you who resisted logical thinking and modernism.

[Firdousi]

The commies did not kill 2 million people, you retard. Look at the state of Afghanistan now!!

Does the goverment plant bombs and kill civilians? No its the taliban who blow up civilians, the same tacktiks were also done by your Islamic warriros who are now sitting in the goverment and steel aid money. They killed all those people and are still doing it now.

They killed the majority of the people. Communism was a cure against retards like you. And it would have cleansed the country from the barbaric and arhaic relligion that is called "Islam" that bring so much retardation that people belive in magic and demons and pay other retards money to cure them. Afghanistan has become a big joke in the international community and all thanks to retards like you who resisted logical thinking and modernism.

Islamic warriors? lmao. You are so s tupid that you have bought 100% the American narrative. Mujahedeens were not organized terrorist death squads, but most of them Pashtun and Tajik peasants. Actually many educated people in the cities were pro-mujhadeen or anti-communist. I met in Afghanistan people who were university ustaads and still disliked the communist regime and cooperated with the islamist movements.

It was the regime fault. It was their stupidity, their lack of vision, their hardcore liberal reforms" that eventually led to their failure. Really your retarded Khalqi heroes didn't expect a strong backlash in a strongly conservative country like Afghanistan? Were those morons really unaware of that? If thats the case, then we are far better off without them lol

[Firdousi]

Come on iblis, youre a learned man. Everyone including yourself knows the Mullah/Taliban/Clergy have been a part of the society for centuries. Many societies have them.

Clerics have always been around, specially in iranic countries such as Afghanistan or Iran. Just look at the akhoonds in Iran: they resemble so much to the Zoroastrian majoos. In Afghanistan is the same case. This people are just part of our culture, our society, our way of life.

Its important to point out that clerics have no power or influence in modern Afghan society, specially in the urban areas. Nowadays they are just required to attend some religious events such as weddings, funerals and so on but people don't take them seriously (rural areas is different).

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Islamic warriors? lmao. You are so s tupid that you have bought 100% the American narrative. Mujahedeens were not organized terrorist death squads, but most of them Pashtun and Tajik peasants. Actually many educated people in the cities were pro-mujhadeen or anti-communist. I met in Afghanistan people who were university ustaads and still disliked the communist regime and cooperated with the islamist movements.

It was the regime fault. It was their stupidity, their lack of vision, their hardcore liberal reforms" that eventually led to their failure. Really your retarded Khalqi heroes didn't expect a strong backlash in a strongly conservative country like Afghanistan? Were those morons really unaware of that? If thats the case, then we are far better off without them lol

They were drunk on the Kool Aid of Communist indoctrination and thought they could create Bolshevik Revolution in Afghanistan the same way the Russians did in Russia ....yeah , no. lol