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    possibly the biggest lie ever by muslims is that are peaceful and Islam is peace

    Jihad al Talab (offensive jihad) proves violence is there in the texts of Islam

    Look at this, I am getting this from a Islamic source:

    Jihad al-Talab wal Ibtida’ (Offensive Jihad / Jihad of Conquering)
    This is the request and call, from the Muslims to the Kuffar (disbelievers) in their lands and dwelling
    places to enter Islam and to fight them if they do not accept the rule of the Islamic authority over them.
    This type of Jihad is a collective obligation (Fard ul-Kifaya) upon the Muslims. There are numerous
    evidences detailing this type of Jihad in both the Qur’an and the Sunnah.
    Qur'anic Evidences for Jihad al-Talab:
    Allah (swt) says,

    “Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and
    capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they
    repent and perform As-Salat, and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
    Most Merciful.” [EMQ 9:5]

    “And fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah)
    collectively as they fight against you collectively.” [EMQ 9:36]

    “March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and
    poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you, if
    you but knew.” [EMQ 9:41]

    Prophetic Traditions (Ahadith) Regarding Jihad Talab:
    The Prophet (saw) is reported to have said in Sahih Bukhari,
    “I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no one worthy to be
    worshipped except Allah (swt) and that Muhammad (saw) is the Messenger of Allah and they establish the
    Salah and give the Zakah. If they perform such actions then their wealth and their blood has protection
    from me except by the Right of Islam and their account is with Allah (swt).”
    The Prophet (saw) has also said as reported in Sahih Muslim,
    “Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a
    holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies;
    do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses
    of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them
    any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from
    fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhajirs and inform
    them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse
    to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the
    Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai'
    except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept
    Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If
    they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.”

    In addition it is reported in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet (saw) said,
    “Whosoever dies and does not fight (Jihad) nor wished himself to fight, dies upon a branch of hypocrisy.”
    All of the above explicit texts, and the numerous others found in the Qur’an and the Sunnah indicate the
    obligation upon the Muslim to fight against the Kuffar on an offensive basis. The Ulema (Islamic scholars)
    are in consensus that to fight Jihad against the Kuffar in their lands, to invite them to Islam and if they
    don’t accept, to fight them or take the Jizya (tax) from them is a divinely ordained obligation (Fard) that
    has not been abrogated.

    Statements of the Ulema regarding Jihad Talab
    Hasan al-Banna
    Hasan al-Banna compiled all the statements of the scholars regarding the obligation of Jihad in his book
    about Jihad and commented,
    “You can see from all the statements of the Islamic scholars from those of the Mujtahideen (those
    capable of deriving new rulings), to those of the followers of the early generations, to those scholars of
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    recent times that Jihad is a duty of sufficiency upon the Muslim nation whose purpose is to spread the
    call of Islam.” [Al-Jihad pg. 84]
    From what we have shown, Jihad by the way of conquering is a duty of sufficiency only if enough people
    go out in its way. If such a situation occurs, then the sin is lifted from those remaining Muslims who did
    not go out; this is the understanding of the majority of the scholars. However, some of the Ulema of the
    Salaf, and what has been reported by some of the Sahabah including Sa’eed bin Musayab (ra), were of the
    understanding that Jihad of conquering is actually an individual obligation upon each Muslim (Fard ‘Ayn)
    the same way defensive Jihad is Fard Ayn. Ibn Hajar (rh) said,
    “Some of the Sahabah understood from the Words of Allah (swt) when He (swt) said, ‘Go out lightly or
    heavily’ the generality of the order. These Sahabah (ra) were always present in all the battles and raids
    that took place during their lifetime’s right up until their death. Those who held such an opinion were
    Abu Ayub al-Ansari (ra), Miqdad bin al-Aswad (ra) amongst others.” [Fath al-Bari Vol. 6/28]

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    ^ read all of this, how can you know claim muslims are non violent? The Islam of ISIS is the real Islam or closes to the real Islam. Something should be done about the lying muslims, they are the biggest enemy of peace, they are liars and hypocrites and this is the reason so many of these terrorists exist, simple as that

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    • #3
      this guy needs to be perma banned. I have had enough of his stupidity.

      At this point what this idiot bring to the forum, except negativity and trolling?

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      • #4
        How is it negative when these are in your own religious texts? Im just presenting what is there already, and this is why there are so many muslim terrorists

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Karachi View Post
          ^ read all of this, how can you know claim muslims are non violent? The Islam of ISIS is the real Islam or closes to the real Islam. Something should be done about the lying muslims, they are the biggest enemy of peace, they are liars and hypocrites and this is the reason so many of these terrorists exist, simple as that
          I guess the 3 brain cells in Crotchee's brain got too crowded and one decided to bail.

          We've been over this. The largest seminal study to date using the largest available referenced words of "extremists" at Arizona University showed:

          How Islamist Extremists Quote the Qur’an | CSC Center for Strategic Communication

          We conclude that verses extremists cite from the Qur’an do not suggest an aggressive offensive foe seeking domination and conquest of unbelievers, as is commonly assumed. Instead they deal with themes of victimization, dishonor, and retribution. This shows close integration with the rhetorical vision of Islamist extremists.

          Based on this analysis we recommend that the West abandon claims that Islamist extremists seek world domination, focus on counteracting or addressing claims of victimage, emphasize alternative means of deliverance, and work to undermine the “champion” image sought by extremists.
          Lol, besides in a word of many isms and ocracys, whether its communism or democracy being the two leading contender examples - one need not even reference how both of these ideologies have a far worse track record in the modern era in terms of offensive invasions to spread an ideology than Islam (no reference is needed here; just the terms neoconservative and neoliberals are enough to hammer home the point).

          In the older era, Constantine and Aquinas more than formulated a forward acting battle plan for offensive battle prone Christiandom.

          Zionism also seems itself as expansive into lands between the Nile and the Euphrates.

          Dam-n son, you're so dumb and lack any ability to comprehend either concrete facts or abstractions.

          As I said, your topics boil down to one direction which is that you are an agent provocateur attempting to get folks in trouble.

          Just because some girl burned you with rejection does not justify your video gamish war against Pashtuns online.
          Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 06-18-2017, 12:15 AM.
          "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
            ^ read all of this, how can you know claim muslims are non violent? The Islam of ISIS is the real Islam or closes to the real Islam. Something should be done about the lying muslims, they are the biggest enemy of peace, they are liars and hypocrites and this is the reason so many of these terrorists exist, simple as that
            Once again moron, the study authors specifically address the most important of your cited passages as "motivators"

            Other findings in the report raise questions about the veracity of claims often made by analysts. The most surprising is the near absence of the well-known “Verse of the Sword” (9:5) from the extremist texts. Widely regarded as the most militant or violent passage of the Qur’an, it is treated as a divine call for offensive warfare on a global scale. It is also regarded as a verse which supersedes over one hundred other verses of the Qur’an that counsel patience, tolerance, and forgiveness
            How Islamist Extremists Quote the Qur’an | CSC Center for Strategic Communication

            This is how it will always work Karachi. You will always be dumb. Like a dumb beetle or a roach, you will burrow through heaps of sh-it to attempt to make a point only to be bested every single time by your betters.

            That's why Jennifer wont marry you for love and what is why that girl rejected you.
            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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            • #7

              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                ^ You committed haram by posting a photo of the Kufir statue. Better take remedial measures fast, otherwise Allah (SWT) will be greatly displeased with you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                  I guess the 3 brain cells in Crotchee's brain got too crowded and one decided to bail.

                  We've been over this. The largest seminal study to date using the largest available referenced words of "extremists" at Arizona University showed:

                  How Islamist Extremists Quote the Qur’an | CSC Center for Strategic Communication



                  Lol, besides in a word of many isms and ocracys, whether its communism or democracy being the two leading contender examples - one need not even reference how both of these ideologies have a far worse track record in the modern era in terms of offensive invasions to spread an ideology than Islam (no reference is needed here; just the terms neoconservative and neoliberals are enough to hammer home the point).

                  In the older era, Constantine and Aquinas more than formulated a forward acting battle plan for offensive battle prone Christiandom.

                  Zionism also seems itself as expansive into lands between the Nile and the Euphrates.

                  Dam-n son, you're so dumb and lack any ability to comprehend either concrete facts or abstractions.

                  As I said, your topics boil down to one direction which is that you are an agent provocateur attempting to get folks in trouble.

                  Just because some girl burned you with rejection does not justify your video gamish war against Pashtuns online.
                  Moron, you are denying the existence of offensive jihad doctrine? You are the biggest liar you stupid ****. Offensive Jihad is very real, and it has been used since day one of Islam, this is the sole reason Islam spread so quickly, by the sword. No one can deny this at all and I am using a Islamic source to prove this for crying out loud, while you are using some non muslim source to prove that muslims are non violent lol, how ironic is that? You can't hide anymore, It's high time all non muslims know these things about Islam, which are hidden by most mullahs like you, but they exist in your texts. ISIS and other terrorists all get their inspiration from somewhere dont they? clearly the answer is Jihad al Talab

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                    Once again moron, the study authors specifically address the most important of your cited passages as "motivators"



                    How Islamist Extremists Quote the Qur’an | CSC Center for Strategic Communication

                    This is how it will always work Karachi. You will always be dumb. Like a dumb beetle or a roach, you will burrow through heaps of sh-it to attempt to make a point only to be bested every single time by your betters.

                    That's why Jennifer wont marry you for love and what is why that girl rejected you.

                    douchbag, This is a muslim source, in fact I cut out so many other parts, go read the original article and see how violent you Mofos are. You're days are numbered, the sooner non muslims find the truth about you the worst it will get for you. I am waiting for the day all mullahs like you are humiliated and deported one by one, may that day be very soon!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                      Sorry for pulling down your shalwar and exposing you to the whole world. But it had to be done, your terror beliefs need to be stopped

                      _uck the violence, terrorism, bacha bazi, gay sex, goat sex, slavery, racism and all evil you morons commit on a regular basis
                      Last edited by Karachi; 06-18-2017, 11:33 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                        douchbag, This is a muslim source, in fact I cut out so many other parts, go read the original article and see how violent you Mofos are. You're days are numbered, the sooner non muslims find the truth about you the worst it will get for you. I am waiting for the day all mullahs like you are humiliated and deported one by one, may that day be very soon!
                        Apu is having a melt down lool. hahahah

                        speaking of deportation, your black ass will be sent back to the ganges river before anyone else. lol. once these white folks get tired, no one will be spared, specially not indics.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                          Sorry for pulling down your shalwar and exposing you to the whole world. But it had to be done, your terror beliefs need to be stopped

                          _uck the violence, terrorism, bacha bazi, gay sex, goat sex, slavery, racism and all evil you morons commit on a regular basis
                          this guy got confused for Arab (some Arabs look as dark as Indians) by some racist whites. this is the only explanation why he is on his muslim hatred spree here. lol

                          violence, terrorism, racism, slavery, are commited by West all over the world, why don't you say anything about that?

                          yet you pathetic **** are jumping on the bandwagon in hopes of getting acceptance from whites, but it's not getting you closer to a white. you indics will always be a subhuman in the eyes of those you worship, regardless of your behavior. lol
                          Last edited by Terminal20; 06-18-2017, 12:53 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by a.s.takhar View Post
                            ^ You committed haram by posting a photo of the Kufir statue. Better take remedial measures fast, otherwise Allah (SWT) will be greatly displeased with you.
                            I'm not sure which farangi you're trying to impress, but I hope that you're at least getting asylum papers out of this.

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              Sorry for pulling down your shalwar and exposing you to the whole world. But it had to be done, your terror beliefs need to be stopped

                              _uck the violence, terrorism, bacha bazi, gay sex, goat sex, slavery, racism and all evil you morons commit on a regular basis


                              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                              don’t try to be smart.

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