Life under Taliban in Afghanistan

[Friends of Baloch]

Article: Taliban territory: Life in Afghanistan under the militants - BBC News

[toughpashtun]

The Taliban have changed , they are not the same as they were when they ruled in the 90s.
I watched another documentary about a Taliban controlled area somewhere in either Logar or Wardak , and over there they had relaxed many of their restrictions , more so than in Helmand as shown in the link you posted.

[speen]

Nothing has been really changed, the realty on ground is the same as it was years before when they ruled, the school with out girls students, the hospital with out any doctor and so on, the found for this ( institutions) comes from central government in kabul though via local elders. opiume is the main crop in the area, bluets are for sale in local market for only 15 pakistani rupees and this is because taliban coptured lots of these ak 47 rifle ammunition from local afghan soldiers and the prices were down a 10 rupees for each...this is the change, if someone count on.

[Firdousi]

Nothing has been really changed, the realty on ground is the same as it was years before when they ruled, the school with out girls students, the hospital with out any doctor and so on, the found for this ( institutions) comes from central government in kabul though via local elders. opiume is the main crop in the area, bluets are for sale in local market for only 15 pakistani rupees and this is because taliban coptured lots of these ak 47 rifle ammunition from local afghan soldiers and the prices were down a 10 rupees for each...this is the change, if someone count on.

You see this is the best they could show. Just imagine how life must be in those places under their barbaric rule Paktia or Nangarhar.

In the long term, even if the taliban win the war (higly unlekily) they are doomed to vanish.

[Friends of Baloch]

Things look hopeless for a unified, centralized state. I think increasingly a Bosnia type solution looks like the only hope forward.

This could work in Afghanistan It is working for Kurds in Iraq, it works in the UK with Scotland having its own parliament etc. It has kept the peace in Bosnia.

[Baserka]

Getting your ass whipped for having a ringtone on your cell phone is not much of a change from getting whipped for wearing shoes that reveal your toes.

Bloody liceheads just want to convince people that things have changed when in reality, people are just getting used to being treated like animals with no respect.

[speen]

Things look hopeless for a unified, centralized state. I think increasingly a Bosnia type solution looks like the only hope forward.

This could work in Afghanistan It is working for Kurds in Iraq, it works in the UK with Scotland having its own parliament etc. It has kept the peace in Bosnia.

who do you think if have a separate parliament then the problem of religious insurgency will be resolved?
if the point is taliban, then was the issue resolved when they were in power?

[Friends of Baloch]

who do you think if have a separate parliament then the problem of religious insurgency will be resolved?
if the point is taliban, then was the issue resolved when they were in power?

Pakiland forced Taliban onto the whole of Afghanistan in the 1990s. Most parts of the country did not want Taliban, but Paki army invaded, sent their army, their air force, to fight on behalf of Taliban. So of course, nothing was resolved in the 90s because most of Afghans were living under brutal occupation.

But truth is, Taliban did have grass roots support in some parts of the south in the 90s, and they still do today.

For Taliban to vanish, some parts of the south and east might have to be given more autonomy from Kabul. In reality, they already are. If it is made official, then Taliban will be forced into position of responsibility for everything that can be expected of a government: job creation, education, health, roads, sanitation, justice etc
In such a such a scenario, do you really they can achieve anything and their popularity and support from locals will last?

Maybe this is a better way to expose and finish off Taliban, by giving them what they want in some parts of the south where their support exists for now, and watching them totally fail at it.

But who knows.

The only certainty is that the status quo is not working.

[speen]

Pakiland forced Taliban onto the whole of Afghanistan in the 1990s. Most parts of the country did not want Taliban, but Paki army invaded, sent their army, their air force, to fight on behalf of Taliban. So of course, nothing was resolved in the 90s because most of Afghans were living under brutal occupation.

But truth is, Taliban did have grass roots support in some parts of the south in the 90s, and they still do today.

For Taliban to vanish, some parts of the south and east might have to be given more autonomy from Kabul. In reality, they already are. If it is made official, then Taliban will be forced into position of responsibility for everything that can be expected of a government: job creation, education, health, roads, sanitation, justice etc
In such a such a scenario, do you really they can achieve anything and their popularity and support from locals will last?

Maybe this is a better way to expose and finish off Taliban, by giving them what they want in some parts of the south where their support exists for now, and watching them totally fail at it.

But who knows.

The only certainty is that the status quo is not working.

They were imposed, they are invaders as you said, neither they had any support at that time nor they have it today, they are nothing but invasion of a foreign army with some locals, therefore not any low nor any Principles in this world allow any elected government to share the state with invaders and leave it’s people to give up under Horrible brutality. And also keep in mind that the invader was not sacrificing only for some areas to be under control of it’s puppets but the scenario was built to keep the whole pelt under the belly.

[Firdousi]

Things look hopeless for a unified, centralized state. I think increasingly a Bosnia type solution looks like the only hope forward.

This could work in Afghanistan It is working for Kurds in Iraq, it works in the UK with Scotland having its own parliament etc. It has kept the peace in Bosnia.

Brother like two weeks ago when I said partitation was the less bad option you didn't agree. Now you have changed your mind. May I know why?

[dindi]

Partition is only viable option. After that taliban attacks will be considered act of war and response will be similar. Right now pashtun elite in Kabul is busy appeasing and thinking about how to bring Taliban in to parliament to take on non-pashtuns. NOT ACCEPTABLE.

As far as how Taliban will be expected to bring jobs, health to people of south and east. Non of this will happen, nothing to do with taliban in particular. Only good pashtun with bit humanity is one who doesn't speak pashto and doesn't live in their own land. Harsh but sad reality.

After Afghanistan partition I'm sure Pakistan will follow and separate pashtun majority areas. Only solution to bring peace for people around them in region. What they do in their own country to their own people shouldn't concern rest of the world. Rest of Pakistan may even join India.

[Friends of Baloch]

Brother like two weeks ago when I said partitation was the less bad option you didn't agree. Now you have changed your mind. May I know why?

Partition seems to imply creating two or more new countries, which i dont think is realistic. Also, ceding control to Taliban in some parts of the country isnt the same as splitting all Pashtun areas from non-Pashtun areas. Taliban dont control Kandahar for example so why would the city be handed over to them? Only those areas truly being controlled by them could theoretically be ceded for now.

A Bosnia or UK or Iraq style devolving of central government could allow Kabul and international donors to concentrate resources in the parts of the country where the insurgency and support for Taliban is low or non existent, that includes in Pashtuns areas where people are resisting them.

Taliban partly gets support because people blame the government for corruption, ethnic politics, failure to bring security and justice etc If such responsibilities were formally passed onto Taliban, who of course will fail to address or improve any of these (they will make them worse) what excuse will they have left to fight, if not for Pakiland or in the name of misguided abuse of religion?

They will obviously not collapse in a day and people will have to endure their criminality in some parts of the country, but this is happening anyway! So maybe it is time to call the Taliban bluff, cede them some control, and let them fail.

The only reason Kabul fell in 1996 and then other parts of the country from 1997 was because Pakiland army and airforce invaded Afghanistan. This Paki invasion would be impossible today, so most of Afghanistan cannot fall to Taliban, but fighting them in areas they are in control has proven futile. They need to fail by ther own accord to truly disappear. People who now support them need to feel that failure for themselves. My opinion.

[Samandri]

The reporting is quite biased , perhaps to make it palatable for western watchers. I know for a fact that conditions of hospital are same throughout Afghanistan even in big cities. Women cant be seen in bazaars even in those Pashtun areas which are not under Taliban rule, even in our areas on Pakistani side. Girls have girls schools here in our areas, same should be the case in Afghanistan, why the journalist was expecting girls in a boys class?

He was treated gently yet he was doing drama-bazi at the end that he was having nightmares after arriving back to lashkargah.

I feel the Pashtuns of southern Afghanistan are pleasant folk thats why they are producing the most gentlemen among Taliban while those of Kunar, Nangarhar etc are generally unpleasant and harsh folk and thats why they are producing Daesh and other shyt.

[Firdousi]

The reporting is quite biased , perhaps to make it palatable for western watchers. I know for a fact that conditions of hospital are same throughout Afghanistan even in big cities. Women cant be seen in bazaars even in those Pashtun areas which are not under Taliban rule, even in our areas on Pakistani side. Girls have girls schools here in our areas, same should be the case in Afghanistan, why the journalist was expecting girls in a boys class?

He was treated gently yet he was doing drama-bazi at the end that he was having nightmares after arriving back to lashkargah.

I feel the Pashtuns of southern Afghanistan are pleasant folk thats why they are producing the most gentlemen among Taliban while those of Kunar, Nangarhar etc are generally unpleasant and harsh folk and thats why they are producing Daesh and other shyt.

Just like there is a lot of differnece between "northern" and "western" "tajiks", "southern" and "eastern" pashtuns are quite different. Southern Pashtuns are mostly urbanized people. Even Helmand since the Zahir Shah and Dauk Khan time has been involved in a "urbanization" process. Southern Pashtuns also tend to mingle more with other urbanized tribes such us Tajiks. We Heratis get along with Kandaharis. Intermarrying and friendship is quite common. Very few people from Western and Northern Afgahnsitan marry to people from eastern Afghanistan. We are just too different.

[khushal]

The reporting is quite biased , perhaps to make it palatable for western watchers. I know for a fact that conditions of hospital are same throughout Afghanistan even in big cities. Women cant be seen in bazaars even in those Pashtun areas which are not under Taliban rule, even in our areas on Pakistani side. Girls have girls schools here in our areas, same should be the case in Afghanistan, why the journalist was expecting girls in a boys class?

He was treated gently yet he was doing drama-bazi at the end that he was having nightmares after arriving back to lashkargah.

I feel the Pashtuns of southern Afghanistan are pleasant folk thats why they are producing the most gentlemen among Taliban while those of Kunar, Nangarhar etc are generally unpleasant and harsh folk and thats why they are producing Daesh and other shyt.

Rural farsiwan are as conservative as any rural pashtuns. They just dont have the pashtunwali code and are not organized in a tribal or clan structure but are more inclined to pledge their support to the local feudal lord which would the local warlord since they control their economic means so the conservative nature is not that much different in rural farswan areas. The video is more for the Western public to gain support for more intervention to civilize the barbarian.

The tactics that NATO and the ANA and even the Paki army uses in the East is much more barbaric than they use in the south not to mention the firepower and boming comapigns. The CIA have created death squads.
After Airstrike, Afghan Points to C.I.A. and Secret Militias - The New York Times

The ISI have created their own death squads in the East and the reactions to these barbaric policies and tactics is not angelic or gentleman-ic.

The soviets were the same way. Their bombing campaigns would flatten the villages in the East just like paki Army did in Waziristan.