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[Karachi]

These hadith are not sahih "brother"

what are you talking about idiot?

Several of those narrations are sahih: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Urine - WikiIslam

and imam Tabrani was one the most important scholars of hadiths: Al-Tabarani - Wikipedia

The fact is Islamic Hadiths contain all kinds of these weird ****, yet muslims make fun of others religions. Look at your own books first before jumping to others

[Karachi]

@Karachi do you believe the Quran to be the word of Allah?

I do not have a opinion. I do like the spiritual side of the quran, yet with in the Quran, the are many verses which are filled with extreme violence, Quran is a book of contradictions, some verses are very nice, yet others are horrible. I am still studying it, so can't give you my final verdict, maybe one day

[Karachi]

Plus the narrations are deliberately misquoted and mistranslated.

What are you talking about? the sources are coming from the Hadiths Imams, unless being a Salafi you do not believe in these Imams

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

what are you talking about idiot?

Several of those narrations are sahih: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Urine - WikiIslam

and imam Tabrani was one the most important scholars of hadiths: Al-Tabarani - Wikipedia

The fact is Islamic Hadiths contain all kinds of these weird ****, yet muslims make fun of others religions. Look at your own books first before jumping to others

That's not how sahih isnad works. sahih needs the chain of narration to be sahih. Someone can claim Person X said this, but if it's Person Y transmitting it, even if Person X is a good source, Person Y might not be. Person Y and Person X have to be solid for something to be Sahih.

These hadith are not Sahih. Often MuHaddith will simply narrate claims, but will do so to warn us about misinformed narrations. This is why "WikiIslam" left out the Isnad grades of these narrations because they want to deliberately misinform.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

What are you talking about? the sources are coming from the Hadiths Imams, unless being a Salafi you do not believe in these Imams

Go look up the original sources in Arabic and quote entire sentences. You'll see.

[Karachi]

That's not how sahih isnad works. sahih needs the chain of narration to be sahih. Someone can claim Person X said this, but if it's Person Y transmitting it, even if Person X is a good source, Person Y might not be. Person Y and Person X have to be solid for something to be Sahih.

These hadith are not Sahih. Often MuHaddith will simply narrate claims, but will do so to warn us about misinformed narrations. This is why "WikiIslam" left out the Isnad grades of these narrations because they want to deliberately misinform.

lol according to that logic, even most Sahih hadiths of Bukhari and muslim will not be Sahih, you are no scholar to call them Sahih or not, fact is these narrations were done by famous hadith scholars, and muslims talk about them and believe in them, this is why even the camel urine hadith is always talked about, I have heard it so many times in mosques/tv

Also hadiths are integral part of Islam, this is why even the weak hadiths are kept and spoken about by muslim scholars and imams, you can't deny this at all, you have no authority to discredit them, these things exist in your texts

[Karachi]

Go look up the original sources in Arabic and quote entire sentences. You'll see.

I did, and it exaatly says the same thing, the wording is slighty different, but exact same meaning, this is from a muslim forum discussing the hadith:

Tabarani said: Hussain bin Is’haq al-Tustari informed us, who was informed by Uthman bin Abi Shaybah, who was informed by Shababah bin Sawwar, who was informed by Abu Malik al-Nakha’i who narrated from Aswad bin Qays, who narrated from Nubayh al-Anazi, who narrated from Umm Ayman, who said: ‘‘One night the Prophet got up and went to a side to urinate in the bowl. During the night, I rose and was thirsty so I drank whatever was in it and I did not even realize what it was. In the morning, He said, ‘Oh Umm Ayman! Throw away whatever is in the bowl’. I replied, ‘I drank what was in the bowl’. He thereafter smiled as such that His teeth appeared and said, ‘Beware! You will never have stomach pain’’.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

lol according to that logic, even most Sahih hadiths of Bukhari and muslim will not be Sahih, you are no scholar to call them Sahih or not, fact is these narrations were done by famous hadith scholars, and muslims talk about them and believe in them, this is why even the camel urine hadith is always talked about, I have heard it so many times in mosques/tv

Also hadiths are integral part of Islam, this is why even the weak hadiths are kept and spoken about by muslim scholars and imams, you can't deny this at all, you have no authority to discredit them, these things exist in your texts

First of all, that wasn't your original argument. You were saying becauise these are in Tabarani et al. That makes them sahih. It demonstrates you have no idea what sahih means in the first place.

Secondly, you're wrong again. I'm using a simple example because well lets face it, you're lacking basic intelligence so simple examples are needed. Sahih chains are very complex and for that reason required thorough investigation. There is always margins of error but that's what the Muhaddith did, they went and investigated to minimize the margins of error. Thus the "sahih" hadith are generally the ones that at least based on whatever research could be done, have minimized descrepancy. iclearly don't get this logic in the first place, so what you're saying doesn't have anything to do with "my logic".

Where as Hindus till this day practice consuming animal urine and feces , no Muslim has ever been recorded from any verifiable source to drink urine of anything out of some religious obligation.

So go ahead and pour yourself a tall one.

[Karachi]

First of all, that wasn't your original argument. You were saying becauise these are in Tabarani et al. That makes them sahih. It demonstrates you have no idea what sahih means in the first place.

Secondly, you're wrong again. I'm using a simple example because well lets face it, you're lacking basic intelligence so simple examples are needed. Sahih chains are very complex and for that reason required thorough investigation. There is always margins of error but that's what the Muhaddith did, they went and investigated to minimize the margins of error. Thus the "sahih" hadith are generally the ones that at least based on whatever research could be done, have minimized descrepancy. iclearly don't get this logic in the first place, so what you're saying doesn't have anything to do with "my logic".

Where as Hindus till this day practice consuming animal urine and feces , no Muslim has ever been recorded from any verifiable source to drink urine of anything out of some religious obligation.

So go ahead and pour yourself a tall one.

what percentage of hindus do that? like 0.00001 %? and that too certain Brahmin casts

Muslims are drinking urine too you idiot, look at this: Camels Urine Benefits According To Muslims - YouTube

^ again learn and follow your religion fully you moron

You are the last people on earth to make one of anyone

Sahih or not, these hadiths are there, they are part of Islam and you can't deny them because there are muslims who are following these hadiths and so many other crazy hadiths, when I have time, I will you more crazy weird Sahi Bukhari Hadiths, you religious texts are filled with crazy _hit

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

what percentage of hindus do that? like 0.00001 %? and that too certain Brahmin casts

Muslims are drinking urine too you idiot, look at this: Camels Urine Benefits According To Muslims - YouTube

^ again learn and follow your religion fully you moron

You are the last people on earth to make one of anyone

Sahih or not, these hadiths are there, they are part of Islam and you can't deny them because there are muslims who are following these hadiths and so many other crazy hadiths, when I have time, I will you more crazy weird Sahi Bukhari Hadiths, you religious texts are filled with crazy _hit

I never said that there aren't Muslims who do dumb things. I said there aren't Muslims who do so because they feel it's some religious obligation.Heck even that video was pasted with a video by some no name Egyptian scholar and Egyptian rednecks (called Saidi) the Muslim Egyptian presenter was disgusted and shocked...as if it was abnormal.

Where as this right here ....doesn't surprise anyone in India. and is a normal practice among Hindus



So Karachi ...Bottom's up lol

[Karachi]

I never said that there aren't Muslims who do dumb things. I said there aren't Muslims who do so because they feel it's some religious obligation.Heck even that video was pasted with a video by some no name Egyptian scholar and Egyptian rednecks (called Saidi) the Muslim Egyptian presenter was disgusted and shocked...as if it was abnormal.

Where as this right here ....doesn't surprise anyone in India. and is a normal practice among Hindus



So Karachi ...Bottom's up lol

How dumb are you? they are drinking camel urine, exactly because they feel it is something religious, same thing with these Brahmin hindus. Again, you are the last people on earth to make fun of anyone, look at first how the whole world looks at you, you are nothing but backwards in everything and the most corrupt

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

How dumb are you? they are drinking camel urine, exactly because they feel it is something religious, same thing with these Brahmin hindus and again a very small percentage of them do that.

There's nothing that obligates Muslims to drink urine of anything. He just mumbled the word Rasul. The lady, also Muslim, was disgusted ....why? Because it's not a norm. Those guys are saidis, saidis are rednecks.

Did you watch the video? They're marketing it ALL OVER India...hence a norm ....you're having cognitive dissonance right now.

[Karachi]

There's nothing that obligates Muslims to drink urine of anything. He just mumbled the word Rasul. The lady, also Muslim, was disgusted ....why? Because it's not a norm. Those guys are saidis, saidis are rednecks.

Did you watch the video? They're marketing it ALL OVER India...hence a norm ....you're having cognitive dissonance right now.

Indeed you are living in a cave, they market camel urine in saudi arabia too idiot, they have factories and bottles selling them : dumb liberal drinks camel urine in saudi arabia - YouTube

Here, so many muslims drinking camel urine:

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Indeed you are living in a cave, they market camel urine in saudi arabia too idiot, they have factories and bottles selling them : dumb liberal drinks camel urine in saudi arabia - YouTube

Here, so many muslims drinking camel urine:
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Are you serious? this is the best you can find? The guy is even hesitating before doing it ....nothing here about marketing either. yes, some dumb Muslims exist, naive ones.....but everything you're showing demonstrates that it's not a norm.

Cow urine is bottled in India. why aren't you drinking? it's your heritage.

[Karachi]

Are you serious? this is the best you can find? The guy is even hesitating before doing it ....nothing here about marketing either. yes, some dumb Muslims exist, naive ones.....but everything you're showing demonstrates that it's not a norm.

Cow urine is bottled in India. why aren't you drinking? it's your heritage.

Who said it was "norm" you moron, in India too this is not norm, only some medicinal pharmacies sell cow urine, not supermarkets, the fact is you have a line up of muslims drinking camel urine and many many are doing it all the time because they believe in all these hadiths, there are factories in saudi arabia producing it. I am not even hindu, I dont care what hindus do to begin with, this thread is about showing the dark side of Islam/muslims, which clearly exists, you can not deny it at all. From terrorism, violence, women beating, slavery, and disgusting hadiths like these, how can you defend yourself? You have nothing to defend, you guys are the biggest losers, and soon I feel there is a holocaust coming your way in Europe