Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre

[Kakar-Wardak]

I dont think you know your quran and hadiths at all, at least read them first

here are just some few verses from the quran, and this is not even from hadiths which are even more violent

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"


Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


^ This is not coming from a peacful religion/texts, there are hundreds of more verses like these. Islam is a religion of domination and war, this is why muslims are so aggressive, it is a simple fact, you have just have to look at your history and how Islam expanded and how horribly it treated others

Islam is not a religion of peace nor war, it is a system of governance of which one aspect is war, Islam did spread with and without the sword of this there is no doubt, what western muslims think does not matter because they are not even 1% of the Muslim world, the west's liberalism is buckling over a dozen terrorist attack and soon liberalism will be replaced with fascism all Utopian societies die, reality will hit these guys hard in the face.

[a.s.takhar]

Forget this apologist ****. Who asked US and other western countries to stick their necks out in Afghanistan and Pakistan? So now a couple of people in the west die from terrorist attacks?? Big deal, we've been dealing with this **** for decades.

So we should all cry and get on our knees because some white people felt the pain? ****, we've been feeling this pain the longest, especially when the white man has been bombing our countries.

Do you think that people in our region actually give a ****? The funny part is that they do. The common man still cares because we are still human beings. But does the west sympathize with our plight? They don't even give a ****.

Since it is Ramzan, I would like to say that Karachi the dothead shouldn't be made fun of, but he is still a cow piss drinking faggot trying to instigate Muslims for his sick pleasure. He can fool stupid Afghans, but we Pakistanis will make sure to exterminate this cockroach's existence. We Pakistanis have taken an oath to end these stupid hindu Indians, and from the grace of Allah swt, we will be successful.

You are not Pakistani. You are an Afghan who has been forced to say you are "Pakistani". To be Pakistani in the true sense, means one has to be of Indian origin.

and dont forget this.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Wrong, the game of soccer does not say vicious hateful things about the opposing team, unlike the way Quran talks about Kaffirs/non believers

The inspiration for these attacks are coming from the Islamic texts, no one can deny this looking at the texts, of course the tactics of doing these things can be argued and differed upon

Islam prohibits killing non combatants . And you can't under go an attack without an amir. So your point is moot. Try again.

[Karachi]

You could not post a single verse of what I asked you. Proof that your accusation is a load of crap. I said show me where it says terrorism is acceptable and the killing of innocent people is anywhere in the Quran. All you could do was post some generic verses copy and pasted from Islamopheobic websites which are talking about war. Try reading the post correctly

Define terrorism, it is not just about bombs, it is an ideology, casting terror in the hearts could be done in many ways

Also these verses are clearly violent and can be used to justify anything, this is why terrorists use these verses and violent hadiths to push their agendas. My point is, you can't say they are wrong, when your books have clear violence in them

[Karachi]

LOOOOL. Quote the rest of the section or verses for accuracy of interpretation.

Lets go through a few of the cited verses:

FIRST CITED

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

The rest of the verses make it clear that this verse was in the context of the Battle of Uhud (a DEFENSIVE war)

SECOND CITED:

Once again - context. The verse that follows states the circumstance and the motivation:


THIRD CITED VERSE:

This is the most egregious idiocy Karachi shows... its basically clear that he lifted form a missionary site that pretty much rely on these "partial citation" tactics:

Here is the original verse Karachi cited:



And here is the next one:

4:90



FOURTH CITED:

The verse preceding the one you cited notes the circumstance of Mecca

"O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise."

Additionally, as we have cited here previously, the famous "verse of the sword" that falls in this chapter is not cited by the insurgents etc:



http://csc.asu.edu/2012/07/09/how-is...ote-the-quran/

Basically lol the study shows that you have no basis whatsoever in your assertions. Had you lifted your head from your eternal bowing to Jennifer, you would have been able to actually research the evidence and understand motivations based on evidence.

who cares when were they revealed? there are 100 of verses like these and hadiths are much more violent

My point is, they can be used by muslims to justify anything and in any situation, remember more then half of muslims think that they are at war with non muslims, so all this violence is justified to them

[Karachi]

So Karachi, I am sure you have heard of the Western involvement in Latin America and the insurgency that was led by Castro and Guevara in response to policies that propped up many a dictator in that region...

Tell me, was Che Guevara a Muslim? What motivated him and his guerilla warriors in their worldwide movement to state the following:



The Truth About Che Guevara | World Affairs Journal

Tell me what you think motivated Che? That is, which part of the Quran was he using to fuel his movement? LOL.

You're ignorant beyond belief. Its either one of two things are you're doing

1) As I said, you're trying to ingratiate yourself to whites for whatever reason (some sort of secondary gain)

2) You are inciting people to make incendiary comments for some government agency. In other words, you are an agent provocateur.

Either of these circumstances should in my view raise the specter of a permanent ban.

lol Che was a communist, pure atheist you idiot, know you are following him? lol

also he wasn't bombing, killing random people in the name of atheism like you people do. His motive was to fight western capitalism, which is very different from fighting to establish barbaric Sharia law, which most of your terrorists are fighting for

[Karachi]

Islam prohibits killing non combatants . And you can't under go an attack without an amir. So your point is moot. Try again.

lol, yeah tell that to Salafis/Wahabhis, they are the ruling muslim world power, other being Shias. You sufis are a dead/weak people, no one cares what you say, even if it is something peaceful

[Karachi]

Islam is not a religion of peace nor war, it is a system of governance of which one aspect is war, Islam did spread with and without the sword of this there is no doubt, what western muslims think does not matter because they are not even 1% of the Muslim world, the west's liberalism is buckling over a dozen terrorist attack and soon liberalism will be replaced with fascism all Utopian societies die, reality will hit these guys hard in the face.

Yes, but it is a very dangerous system, especially if you want to live a peaceful happy life.

A country I live in (Canada) is heaven compared to any muslim country out there. It is the best example of what western secularism is all about, no wonder even muslims want to flock to this country, because they know how barbaric Islamic system is

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

lol, yeah tell that to Salafis/Wahabhis, they are the ruling muslim world power, other being Shias. You sufis are a dead/weak people, no one cares what you say, even if it is something peaceful

Well first off Salafis/Wahhabis are not mainstream Islam thus, irrelevant to Islam itself. But even most Salafi/Wahhabi Sheikhs express that Islam prohibits targeting combatants. So my argument still stands, you and this author are clueless.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

lol Che was a communist, pure atheist you idiot, know you are following him? lol

also he wasn't bombing, killing random people in the name of atheism like you people do. His motive was to fight western capitalism, which is very different from fighting to establish barbaric Sharia law, which most of your terrorists are fighting for

You really are stupid beyond belief. I really am beginning to think its a structural brain problem you have.

Where and when in that post did I say I like, back, praise, or adopt Che Geuvera's approach or admire him?

The point of it was that he was willing to carry out indiscriminate attacks because of what motivated him.

The Che Guevara Pan Latin American insurgency did not find itself needing or requiring religious foundations to address the grievances it had which was primarily centered around intervention/subjugation in Latin America by Yankee/Western European.

The Father Romero movement on the other hand had its basis in Catholicism.

For that matter, the Irish Republican Army existed/exists, as did its militant Sinn Fein arm to address Catholic grievances on Irish soil against an interventionist/occupation by the British.

The whole point is that people will rally around whatever flag, ideology, religious concept etc that galvanizes resistance to perceived or real wrongs.

Damn you are so dumb Karachi. Probably the dumbest person I have encountered in a long long time.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

who cares when were they revealed? there are 100 of verses like these and hadiths are much more violent

My point is, they can be used by muslims to justify anything and in any situation, remember more then half of muslims think that they are at war with non muslims, so all this violence is justified to them

Wrong. As we said, the only robust study out there from Arizona State shows that they never cite the ones you claim motivate them.

Their own speeches and words indicate once again, whether its real or not is left to the reader to decide, a perception of wrong, invasion, kinship with the invaded etc.

A religion of any sort or an ideology of any sort (e.g. Marxism, Democracy, Nationalistic Patriotism) can be utilized as a vehicle to motivate people into action but what we see clearly even with the Tamil Tigers is that the motivating factor behind these movements has very little to do with religion but much more to do with politics and international power relationships.

As I said, two options exist, either you have a mental growth stunting that is profound due to your inability to process basic information or rebut a simple argument or you are an agent provocateur (perhaps you got in some trouble).

[Firdousi]

[MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION], you ugly dalkhor, may your prostitute mother be cursed, educate yourself, you dirty b astard. Most of Salafist are not violent people. They focus on being puritan Muslims, avoiding all political debates/issues and on propagating Islam through peaceful means (dawah).

Please, kill yourself, cockroach. Disgusting bachabaz untermensch LOL

[Manzareh]

How come Karachi never learns. Like how can a person be so ridiculously stupid. Over and and over again same BS, defeated on every single point. Why don't you go to your Hindu forum and sort out the Indian problems first before you try preach in matters you don't understand. People are just too clever for you here, you can't compete with the standard of debate at all, it's embarrassing.

[Baserka]

[MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION], you ugly dalkhor, may your prostitute mother be cursed, educate yourself, you dirty b astard. Most of Salafist are not violent people. They focus on being puritan Muslims, avoiding all political debates/issues and on propagating Islam through peaceful means (dawah).

Please, kill yourself, cockroach. Disgusting bachabaz untermensch LOL

Ramazan Mubarak to all those who consider it appropriate to suggest someone else's mother become a prostitute during an argument online and all those who consider this behaviour worth applauding.
If one was to tie the mouth of a dog for 15 plus hours in a day and force it not to eat or drink anything, it might wonder what the purpose behind that action is but not you idiots.
Bloody beghairats.

[Charsi Malang]

Ramazan Mubarak to all those who consider it appropriate to suggest someone else's mother become a prostitute during an argument online and all those who consider this behaviour worth applauding.
If one was to tie the mouth of a dog for 15 plus hours in a day and force it not to eat or drink anything, it might wonder what the purpose behind that action is but not you idiots.
Bloody beghairats.

But it's ok for him to come in and tell us we are following a religion which promotes violence, posting things from the Quran out of context and trying to embarrass us?

Ramadan Kareem.