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    Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre



    Hamid Jan Kakar has run out of patience with politically correct defenses of Islam in the aftermath of the Manchester bombing.
    Kakar, in an interview with Independent Journal Review, said he is sick of people saying “terrorism doesn’t have anything to do with Islam.”


    The defenders of Islam must “recognize the fact” that terrorists “are followers of Islam,” said a 29-year-old Afghanistan native who now lives in London.
    “Europe had an Enlightenment era, and Europe has never looked back,” Kakar said. “But Islam has never had an Enlightenment era. It needs one.”
    Kakar called out fellow Muslims for defending Islam as a “religion of peace.”
    “As much as it upsets me that 22 innocent people were killed in Manchester, in Afghanistan people are killed every single day. Muslims always indirectly or directly defend Islam as a religion of peace. The Koran is in Old Arabic, so nobody fully understands it. If Muslims knew the Koran, why are there 72 different sects and sub-sects of Islam?”
    Kakar lived under the Taliban until he was five. He said he still visits Afghanistan from time to time, and his relatives deal with terrorism every day.
    “Even though I was only five, living under the Taliban is something I will always remember. They turned sports stadiums into slaughterhouses. Pregnant women were dying during delivery because there were no nurses or doctors to look after them and provide the adequate medical care. The only education you could get was about the history of Islam, and it was a fabricated history,” Kakar said.
    Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.


    Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.
    “Muslims don’t want to talk about it because they feel like they are betraying their religion. So they say things like ‘but Hitler killed people and the KKK killed people.’ This creates a distraction and doesn’t focus on the real problem.
    “It’s about time that Muslims speak up. We need to acknowledge it and completely denounce the jihad.”
    Kakar also rebutted a popular argument by the defenders of Islam – that the West is the cause of all the violence in the Middle East. “People say these things just started when the Jews occupied Israel and the Americans began to invade Middle Eastern lands. But at the beginning of Islam, after Mohammad died, there were four leaders. Only one of them died his own death.
    “But Ali [Mohammad’s son-in-law] was killed by fellow Muslims when he was reciting the Koran in a mosque,” Kakar continued. “Muslims killed his sons. Muslims have been fighting each other for an extended period, much longer than U.S. troops have been fighting in the Middle East or the state of Israel has been around.


    Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre – World Tribune: Window on the Real World

  • #2
    It's not that the attack has nothing to do with Islam, but that the attack has no basis in Islam. Just like when soccer hooligans go around trashing cities when their teams lose, It has to do with soccer, but the game of soccer didn't urge them to do that. People do things all the time "because of X or Y", but it doesn't mean it's X or Y that made it happen. This commenter is blindly making shots that don't make the mark

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.

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    • #3
      Great a Muslim Uncle Tom. Just what the Islamic World needs.

      Isis or al Qaeda Dont represent Muslim World. This idiot puts the blame on Muslims as a whole when in reality the avarage Muslims are not behind such ideology.

      Europe's enlightment cannot be compared with Islamic World history. They are completely different. The patterns were not the same. Therefor we cannot draw Parallels and say "Muslims should have an enlithgentment age as Europe", because Islam, unlike Christian Europe, does not have a history of prohibitting Enlightnment and science.

      But Muslims indeed some reflection of some sort. We need to Look back to the past and rebuild a civilisation. Islamic World has stagnated since the Last 500 years. Not much of note has come out of the Islamic World. Its the highlight of terrorism and wars.
      Last edited by HindustanTimes; 05-27-2017, 01:18 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
        It's not that the attack has nothing to do with Islam, but that the attack has no basis in Islam. Just like when soccer hooligans go around trashing cities when their teams lose, It has to do with soccer, but the game of soccer didn't urge them to do that. People do things all the time "because of X or Y", but it doesn't mean it's X or Y that made it happen. This commenter is blindly making shots that don't make the mark

        Wrong, the game of soccer does not say vicious hateful things about the opposing team, unlike the way Quran talks about Kaffirs/non believers

        The inspiration for these attacks are coming from the Islamic texts, no one can deny this looking at the texts, of course the tactics of doing these things can be argued and differed upon

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        • #5
          "Europe went through and enlightenment period it's time Islam had one" .. Europe is a geographical location, Islam is a relgion. Therefore that statement doesn't even make sense. These are your heros, they don't even know what they are saying.

          Terrorism comes from all walks of life and people. Just last week some guy drove his car into a crowd of people in New York. The notion that only Muslims commit these attrocoties only pleases people like yourself which choose to deny half the facts and only focus on what is music to your ears, if the news does excite or exacerbate your sinister notions then it is dismissed. There will always be fools like you and the guy you quoted, and on the other hand there will always be smart educated people to point out the obvious. You people want war and are as bad as isis because you would kill Muslims if you had the chance, the only thing that stops you is the law but you people and Isis share the exact same beliefs.

          Also how are you still pretending to be a Muslim lol shameful.
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          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

          Originally posted by Karachi
          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
            Wrong, the game of soccer does not say vicious hateful things about the opposing team, unlike the way Quran talks about Kaffirs/non believers

            The inspiration for these attacks are coming from the Islamic texts, no one can deny this looking at the texts, of course the tactics of doing these things can be argued and differed upon
            Show some texts that instruct Muslims to attack innocent people. There are verses in the Quran that talk about perticular situations in the battlefield ovcourse but where does it say commit terrorism? Lier. Infact the law in Islam is that you are not allowed to commit suicide and strict rules in war to not even chop a tree down. Educate yourself before you spout hatred.
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            *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

            Originally posted by Karachi
            like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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            • #7
              Forget this apologist ****. Who asked US and other western countries to stick their necks out in Afghanistan and Pakistan? So now a couple of people in the west die from terrorist attacks?? Big deal, we've been dealing with this **** for decades.

              So we should all cry and get on our knees because some white people felt the pain? ****, we've been feeling this pain the longest, especially when the white man has been bombing our countries.

              Do you think that people in our region actually give a ****? The funny part is that they do. The common man still cares because we are still human beings. But does the west sympathize with our plight? They don't even give a ****.

              Since it is Ramzan, I would like to say that Karachi the dothead shouldn't be made fun of, but he is still a cow piss drinking faggot trying to instigate Muslims for his sick pleasure. He can fool stupid Afghans, but we Pakistanis will make sure to exterminate this cockroach's existence. We Pakistanis have taken an oath to end these stupid hindu Indians, and from the grace of Allah swt, we will be successful.
              Last edited by Dost; 05-28-2017, 11:57 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                "Europe went through and enlightenment period it's time Islam had one" .. Europe is a geographical location, Islam is a relgion. Therefore that statement doesn't even make sense. These are your heros, they don't even know what they are saying.

                Terrorism comes from all walks of life and people. Just last week some guy drove his car into a crowd of people in New York. The notion that only Muslims commit these attrocoties only pleases people like yourself which choose to deny half the facts and only focus on what is music to your ears, if the news does excite or exacerbate your sinister notions then it is dismissed. There will always be fools like you and the guy you quoted, and on the other hand there will always be smart educated people to point out the obvious. You people want war and are as bad as isis because you would kill Muslims if you had the chance, the only thing that stops you is the law but you people and Isis share the exact same beliefs.

                Also how are you still pretending to be a Muslim lol shameful.
                Muslims are going crazy, in fact forget the terrorism in the west, you guys kill each other on a daily basis, how blind can you get? Muslim vs Muslim killing has been going since the battle of Karbala, nothing new

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                  Show some texts that instruct Muslims to attack innocent people. There are verses in the Quran that talk about perticular situations in the battlefield ovcourse but where does it say commit terrorism? Lier. Infact the law in Islam is that you are not allowed to commit suicide and strict rules in war to not even chop a tree down. Educate yourself before you spout hatred.
                  I dont think you know your quran and hadiths at all, at least read them first

                  here are just some few verses from the quran, and this is not even from hadiths which are even more violent

                  Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"


                  Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

                  Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

                  Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

                  Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


                  ^ This is not coming from a peacful religion/texts, there are hundreds of more verses like these. Islam is a religion of domination and war, this is why muslims are so aggressive, it is a simple fact, you have just have to look at your history and how Islam expanded and how horribly it treated others

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dost View Post
                    Forget this apologist ****. Who asked US and other western countries to stick their necks out in Afghanistan and Pakistan? So now a couple of people in the west die from terrorist attacks?? Big deal, we've been dealing with this **** for decades.

                    So we should all cry and get on our knees because some white people felt the pain? ****, we've been feeling this pain the longest, especially when the white man has been bombing our countries.

                    Do you think that people in our region actually give a ****? The funny part is that they do. The common man still cares because we are still human beings. But does the west sympathize with our plight? They don't even give a ****.

                    Since it is Ramzan, I would like to say that Karachi the dothead shouldn't be made fun of, but he is still a cow piss drinking faggot trying to instigate Muslims for his sick pleasure. He can fool stupid Afghans, but we Pakistanis will make sure to exterminate this cockroach's existence. We Pakistanis have taken an oath to end these stupid hindu Indians, and from the grace of Allah swt, we will be successful.
                    Pakistanis have been raped by Indians a million times over in every war, why Is Allah not helping your dirty Paki ass? You are getting raped from all corners, it is only you who will die, Clearly Allah is not with your filthy country, lol this is why you went to suck kaffir chinese dongs, who themselves are killing muslims lol. What a idiot race Pakis are

                    Look how your women act when they come to India: http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/photo/11401296.cms

                    ^ very honorable isn't it you filthy paki?
                    Last edited by Karachi; 05-28-2017, 03:58 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                      I dont think you know your quran and hadiths at all, at least read them first

                      here are just some few verses from the quran, and this is not even from hadiths which are even more violent

                      Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"


                      Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

                      Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

                      Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

                      Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


                      ^ This is not coming from a peacful religion/texts, there are hundreds of more verses like these. Islam is a religion of domination and war, this is why muslims are so aggressive, it is a simple fact, you have just have to look at your history and how Islam expanded and how horribly it treated others
                      You could not post a single verse of what I asked you. Proof that your accusation is a load of crap. I said show me where it says terrorism is acceptable and the killing of innocent people is anywhere in the Quran. All you could do was post some generic verses copy and pasted from Islamopheobic websites which are talking about war. Try reading the post correctly
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                      *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                      Originally posted by Karachi
                      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                        Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre



                        Hamid Jan Kakar has run out of patience with politically correct defenses of Islam in the aftermath of the Manchester bombing.

                        LOOOOL. Hamid "Jan" needs some Rogaine to thick up that fondue gay boy hair of his
                        H-kakar (@HamidJaanKakar) on Twitter



                        Kakar, in an interview with Independent Journal Review, said he is sick of people saying “terrorism doesn’t have anything to do with Islam.”


                        The defenders of Islam must “recognize the fact” that terrorists “are followers of Islam,” said a 29-year-old Afghanistan native who now lives in London.
                        “Europe had an Enlightenment era, and Europe has never looked back,” Kakar said. “But Islam has never had an Enlightenment era. It needs one.”
                        Kakar called out fellow Muslims for defending Islam as a “religion of peace.”
                        “As much as it upsets me that 22 innocent people were killed in Manchester, in Afghanistan people are killed every single day. Muslims always indirectly or directly defend Islam as a religion of peace. The Koran is in Old Arabic, so nobody fully understands it. If Muslims knew the Koran, why are there 72 different sects and sub-sects of Islam?”
                        Kakar lived under the Taliban until he was five. He said he still visits Afghanistan from time to time, and his relatives deal with terrorism every day.
                        “Even though I was only five, living under the Taliban is something I will always remember. They turned sports stadiums into slaughterhouses. Pregnant women were dying during delivery because there were no nurses or doctors to look after them and provide the adequate medical care. The only education you could get was about the history of Islam, and it was a fabricated history,” Kakar said.
                        Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.


                        Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.
                        “Muslims don’t want to talk about it because they feel like they are betraying their religion. So they say things like ‘but Hitler killed people and the KKK killed people.’ This creates a distraction and doesn’t focus on the real problem.
                        “It’s about time that Muslims speak up. We need to acknowledge it and completely denounce the jihad.”
                        Kakar also rebutted a popular argument by the defenders of Islam – that the West is the cause of all the violence in the Middle East. “People say these things just started when the Jews occupied Israel and the Americans began to invade Middle Eastern lands. But at the beginning of Islam, after Mohammad died, there were four leaders. Only one of them died his own death.
                        “But Ali [Mohammad’s son-in-law] was killed by fellow Muslims when he was reciting the Koran in a mosque,” Kakar continued. “Muslims killed his sons. Muslims have been fighting each other for an extended period, much longer than U.S. troops have been fighting in the Middle East or the state of Israel has been around.


                        Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre – World Tribune: Window on the Real World

                        Trusting the assessment of a piss poor émigré who is trying to secure a visa? Try again.

                        For underlying instigators and causes, let's look at the data. What is the data? Its the words of these people. After all, if we are for example, looking at what motives alt-right violence in the US - we would do best to look at their manifestos and words. The perceptions of grievances they have may be real or imagined, but that is where people should start.

                        Glenn Greenwald has an excellent set of Tweets detailing, via Corbyn, what these folks say motivates them (hint: It isn't religion its a sense of kith and kin being wronged):
                        Twitter

                        Here is a great article by the Guardian on the instigators:
                        We accept that Russian bombs can provoke a terror backlash. Ours can too | Mehdi Hasan | Opinion | The Guardian

                        And so we have prominent, non biased, non inferiority complex laden folks (for the latter refer to Karachi and Mr. Kakar as cited) vs those that have no stake in the game ethnically... what do they say?

                        The former chief of the CIA’s Bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheuer, told me in 2011 that “people are going to ... bomb us because they don’t like what we’ve done”. In an interview for al-Jazeera in July, the retired US general Michael Flynn, who ran the Defense Intelligence Agency from 201315, admitted to me that “the more bombs we drop, that just … fuels the conflict”.

                        It is a view backed by the Pentagon’s Defence Science Board, which observed as long as ago as 1997: “Historical data show a strong correlation between US involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States.”
                        Regarding the primary data... here is what Rukmini Callimachi posted from the site intel group regarding Manchester and its motivation:

                        Twitter

                        Basically, what the translation indicates, is that the motivation was not Quran verses or hadith or the history of Khalid Bin Walid or whatever else nonsense Karachi and Kakar and the other slugs and snails who are perpetually apologizing for secondary gain can come up with:

                        The stated motivation was "transgressions against the homes of the Muslims."

                        Perhaps Mr. Kakar can seek enlightenment himself by decreasing the width of thinning hair between the sunlight and his skull and dressing like a man and not a jiggalo as is shown in his twitter image.


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                        • #13
                          Hahaha
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                          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                          Originally posted by Karachi
                          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            I dont think you know your quran and hadiths at all, at least read them first

                            here are just some few verses from the quran, and this is not even from hadiths which are even more violent

                            Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"


                            Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

                            Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

                            Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

                            Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


                            ^ This is not coming from a peacful religion/texts, there are hundreds of more verses like these. Islam is a religion of domination and war, this is why muslims are so aggressive, it is a simple fact, you have just have to look at your history and how Islam expanded and how horribly it treated others
                            LOOOOL. Quote the rest of the section or verses for accuracy of interpretation.

                            Lets go through a few of the cited verses:

                            FIRST CITED

                            "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

                            The rest of the verses make it clear that this verse was in the context of the Battle of Uhud (a DEFENSIVE war)

                            SECOND CITED:

                            Once again - context. The verse that follows states the circumstance and the motivation:
                            "They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein."
                            THIRD CITED VERSE:

                            This is the most egregious idiocy Karachi shows... its basically clear that he lifted form a missionary site that pretty much rely on these "partial citation" tactics:

                            Here is the original verse Karachi cited:

                            They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
                            And here is the next one:

                            4:90

                            Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
                            FOURTH CITED:

                            The verse preceding the one you cited notes the circumstance of Mecca

                            "O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise."

                            Additionally, as we have cited here previously, the famous "verse of the sword" that falls in this chapter is not cited by the insurgents etc:

                            Other findings in the report raise questions about the veracity of claims often made by analysts. The most surprising is the near absence of the well-known “Verse of the Sword”from the extremist texts. Widely regarded as the most militant or violent passage of the Qur’an, it is treated as a divine call for offensive warfare on a global scale. It is also regarded as a verse which supersedes over one hundred other verses of the Qur’an that counsel patience, tolerance, and forgiveness.

                            We conclude that verses extremists cite from the Qur’an do not suggest an aggressive offensive foe seeking domination and conquest of unbelievers, as is commonly assumed. Instead they deal with themes of victimization, dishonor, and retribution. This shows close integration with the rhetorical vision of Islamist extremists.


                            Basically lol the study shows that you have no basis whatsoever in your assertions. Had you lifted your head from your eternal bowing to Jennifer, you would have been able to actually research the evidence and understand motivations based on evidence.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre



                              Hamid Jan Kakar has run out of patience with politically correct defenses of Islam in the aftermath of the Manchester bombing.
                              Kakar, in an interview with Independent Journal Review, said he is sick of people saying “terrorism doesn’t have anything to do with Islam.”


                              The defenders of Islam must “recognize the fact” that terrorists “are followers of Islam,” said a 29-year-old Afghanistan native who now lives in London.
                              “Europe had an Enlightenment era, and Europe has never looked back,” Kakar said. “But Islam has never had an Enlightenment era. It needs one.”
                              Kakar called out fellow Muslims for defending Islam as a “religion of peace.”
                              “As much as it upsets me that 22 innocent people were killed in Manchester, in Afghanistan people are killed every single day. Muslims always indirectly or directly defend Islam as a religion of peace. The Koran is in Old Arabic, so nobody fully understands it. If Muslims knew the Koran, why are there 72 different sects and sub-sects of Islam?”
                              Kakar lived under the Taliban until he was five. He said he still visits Afghanistan from time to time, and his relatives deal with terrorism every day.
                              “Even though I was only five, living under the Taliban is something I will always remember. They turned sports stadiums into slaughterhouses. Pregnant women were dying during delivery because there were no nurses or doctors to look after them and provide the adequate medical care. The only education you could get was about the history of Islam, and it was a fabricated history,” Kakar said.
                              Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.


                              Muslims must first acknowledge the problem before they can address it, Kakar said.
                              “Muslims don’t want to talk about it because they feel like they are betraying their religion. So they say things like ‘but Hitler killed people and the KKK killed people.’ This creates a distraction and doesn’t focus on the real problem.
                              “It’s about time that Muslims speak up. We need to acknowledge it and completely denounce the jihad.”
                              Kakar also rebutted a popular argument by the defenders of Islam – that the West is the cause of all the violence in the Middle East. “People say these things just started when the Jews occupied Israel and the Americans began to invade Middle Eastern lands. But at the beginning of Islam, after Mohammad died, there were four leaders. Only one of them died his own death.
                              “But Ali [Mohammad’s son-in-law] was killed by fellow Muslims when he was reciting the Koran in a mosque,” Kakar continued. “Muslims killed his sons. Muslims have been fighting each other for an extended period, much longer than U.S. troops have been fighting in the Middle East or the state of Israel has been around.


                              Afghan native slams defenders of Islam in aftermath of Manchester massacre – World Tribune: Window on the Real World
                              So Karachi, I am sure you have heard of the Western involvement in Latin America and the insurgency that was led by Castro and Guevara in response to policies that propped up many a dictator in that region...

                              Tell me, was Che Guevara a Muslim? What motivated him and his guerilla warriors in their worldwide movement to state the following:

                              Humberto Fontova’s Exposing the Real Che Guevara is an exception. It’s relentlessly critical, not only of the killer himself, but of his fans. He spends hundreds of pages debunking Castro’s state mythology with footnoted sources and interviews with eye-witnesses, but Che’s own words are enough to condemn him.

                              “A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

                              “We will bring the war to the imperialist enemies’ very home, to his places of work and recreation. We must never give him a minute of peace or tranquility. This is a total war to the death.”

                              “If the nuclear missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City…We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims…We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm.”
                              The Truth About Che Guevara | World Affairs Journal

                              Tell me what you think motivated Che? That is, which part of the Quran was he using to fuel his movement? LOL.

                              You're ignorant beyond belief. Its either one of two things are you're doing

                              1) As I said, you're trying to ingratiate yourself to whites for whatever reason (some sort of secondary gain)

                              2) You are inciting people to make incendiary comments for some government agency. In other words, you are an agent provocateur.

                              Either of these circumstances should in my view raise the specter of a permanent ban.
                              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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