Pakistan’s Easter tragedy highlights failed state status

[Porus]

Let's just say for the sake of argument, that they were trying to "instigate Pashtunistan".

Did this involve terrorism? Did this involve murdering civilians indiscriminately? Did this involve sabotaging infrastructure and economic sectors in attempts to cut off people from needed facilities and resources?

In all cases, there's no strong and/or independently verifiable any of that happened. (key words here, because Pakistani Establishment indocrtinated Cyber-drones like yourself love cooking up claims ...sort of like the U.S. rapes in Afghanistan thing you threw out a few days ago, no independent verification of that either).

If it was simply motivation and inspiring Pashtun groups in Pakistan, then well that can't happen unless those groups already existed in Pakistan, and in that case this is only moral support.

How does this in any way validate terrorism or suppirting terrorists who :Murdered civilians indiscriminately, sabotaged infrastructure, attempted to cut off people from needed facilities and resources?

The comparison is incongruent. You're being disingenuous and ideologically driven here, Not "logical" ....Mr. "Pretending to Be" Logical. And don't even try to play the ISLAM-card here; you already outed yourself in the "Strip Bars and Clubs" thread. You probably would have embraced the Soviets yourself so you could have Vodka and have chance to your sisters and aunts dance in Moscow for Russian troops and calling it "women's liberation" or justify cuckoldry in some euphemistic sort of way.

Also as noted by [MENTION=18484]Porus[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1669]Adam[/MENTION], where are your sources? Indepdently verfiable sources. Like from scholarly sources? Daud Khan was Soviet Ally, yes, but not Soviet-backed. Najibullah was Soviet-backed.

He's lost the argument, him and his friend PakMan or whatever are just regurgitating the same old nonsense that the establishment wants people to think.

They're all pathological liars, I'm pretty sure this dude is mixing Daud Khan's policies with the Soviet government's policy. Plus the whole thing of 'Americans sucked us into their game of fighting Soviets' is khurafaat. Bhutto was the one who started the policy of training Jihadis to fight the Afghan government, this was basically after Zahir Shah was ousted during the Saur Revolution. Disenfranchised Jihadis from Afghanistan sought refuge in Iran and Pakistan for training. Such was this 'great' era of Zia ul-Haq.

[logical]

Can I have a source for the above paragraph?

My source is wikipedia.

[logical]

He's lost the argument, him and his friend PakMan or whatever are just regurgitating the same old nonsense that the establishment wants people to think.

They're all pathological liars, I'm pretty sure this dude is mixing Daud Khan's policies with the Soviet government's policy. Plus the whole thing of 'Americans sucked us into their game of fighting Soviets' is khurafaat. Bhutto was the one who started the policy of training Jihadis to fight the Afghan government, this was basically after Zahir Shah was ousted during the Saur Revolution. Disenfranchised Jihadis from Afghanistan sought refuge in Iran and Pakistan for training. Such was this 'great' era of Zia ul-Haq.

You sound like someone who once upon a time was bacha of kabuli. Get some dignity back by not kissing western ass and sucking kabuli ****.

All problems started because of Taraki pashtunistan movment, he wanted Soviets to help him and offered them access to warm waters in case his plans of civil war in Pakistan worked. Same Soviets who later on will abduct young afghan women and rape them. Only afghani will invite foreigners to rape their daughters.

[Traveller]

My source is wikipedia.

You should've learned in school that Wikipedia is not a reliable academic source. Nevertheless this is a funny quote and I'm putting it as my signature.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Both logical and porus are saying inaccurate things. Porus specifically either doesn't recall Musharraf days, or doesn't know that much about it.

[Adam]

My source is wikipedia.

Can you post the page? Last time I asked you went silent, will it be the same again?

[Porus]

Both logical and porus are saying inaccurate things. Porus specifically either doesn't recall Musharraf days, or doesn't know that much about it.

Neither do you.

[Porus]

You sound like someone who once upon a time was bacha of kabuli. Get some dignity back by not kissing western ass and sucking kabuli ****.

Dignity hahaha this is coming from a confused Pakistani who doesn't know just how much of a third world ****hole his country his and refuses to admit it, talking down to Afghans to make himself feel better. Pathetic.

All problems started because of Taraki pashtunistan movment, he wanted Soviets to help him and offered them access to warm waters in case his plans of civil war in Pakistan worked. Same Soviets who later on will abduct young afghan women and rape them. Only afghani will invite foreigners to rape their daughters.

Problems started because of Pakistan's insistence on Kashmir, it's racist policies towards Bengalis. Yes Pashtunistan movement was there on the side but it could never gather any momentum amongst the Pashtuns of Pakistan, so it wasn't exactly a 'great' threat. Throughout the 80s Pakistan funded Jihadis in Kashmir and now that problem has become homegrown, another headache for India and zero chances of independence for Kashmiris which Pakistan pretends to care about.

[logical]

Dignity hahaha this is coming from a confused Pakistani who doesn't know just how much of a third world ****hole his country his and refuses to admit it, talking down to Afghans to make himself feel better. Pathetic.





Problems started because of Pakistan's insistence on Kashmir, it's racist policies towards Bengalis. Yes Pashtunistan movement was there on the side but it could never gather any momentum amongst the Pashtuns of Pakistan, so it wasn't exactly a 'great' threat. Throughout the 80s Pakistan funded Jihadis in Kashmir and now that problem has become homegrown, another headache for India and zero chances of independence for Kashmiris which Pakistan pretends to care about.

See you can't help yourself. What Kashmir and Bengalis have to do with Afghanistan. When running out of logical arguments, let's bring completely unrelated topics.

Pashtunistan couldn't gather any momentum because Zia was there to teach Taraki and co a lesson their 7 coming generations will not forget.

[Porus]

See you can't help yourself. What Kashmir and Bengalis have to do with Afghanistan. When running out of logical arguments, let's bring completely unrelated topics.

Pashtunistan couldn't gather any momentum because Zia was there to teach Taraki and co a lesson their 7 coming generations will not forget.

It wasn't there in the 50s or 60s. All those few infiltrations by Daud Khan ended in failure. So what was the point of Zia teaching Taraki and co a lesson

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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Dude yesssss!!!!!!!! This is awesome. She nails that Paki Establishment crony against the wall and intellectually rapes him wihout even using spit.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

See you can't help yourself. What Kashmir and Bengalis have to do with Afghanistan. When running out of logical arguments, let's bring completely unrelated topics.

Pashtunistan couldn't gather any momentum because Zia was there to teach Taraki and co a lesson their 7 coming generations will not forget.

Are you mentally retarded? Did you WATCH the whole video? It talks about Zulfikar Ali Bhutto already active in meddling with Afghanistan affairs long before Taraki was even an issue.

[logical]

It wasn't there in the 50s or 60s. All those few infiltrations by Daud Khan ended in failure. So what was the point of Zia teaching Taraki and co a lesson

Are you jahil or what? You don't even know basic history of Pakistan. I'm 56 years old and seen relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan closely. You keep mentioning Daud Khan like autistic kid as if he was lone proponent of pashtunistan. Even now Afghani leaders keep saying durandline is illegal. But it will be like beating a dead horse at this point so Pakistan doesn't respond in same way like it did back in 80's.

Read about Taraki and how he offered Soviets access to warm waters in case they helped him get rid of anti-state insurgents and to instigate civil war in Pakistan for pashtunistan. Despite the fact that Baloch are anything but pashtuns.

There is famous Zia speech somewhere on youtube where he ask Pakistanis to support Afghan brothers in jihad against Soviets because their next target will be Pakistan. Soviets were not interested in invading Pakistan but to divide it and merge coastal regions of Balochistan with Afghanistan. In this case they will get direct access to Gwadar with only Afghanistan in between them. A deal similar to what Pakistan have done by giving Gwadar port to China.

[logical]

Are you mentally retarded? Did you WATCH the whole video? It talks about Zulfikar Ali Bhutto already active in meddling with Afghanistan affairs long before Taraki was even an issue.

Jahil afghani Bhutto was involved because of Afghanistan insistence on pashtunistan. Then came Taraki who followed same policy and so did Zia. Jahil kids these days don't even bother opening wikpedia, it's all there.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Jahil afghani Bhutto was involved because of Afghanistan insistence on pashtunistan. Then came Taraki who followed same policy and so did Zia. Jahil kids these days don't even bother opening wikpedia, it's all there.

You totally flip flopped earlier you said it was Taraki's Pashtunistan that started it. And that's why Zia went in, now you're saying it was Ali Butto

Stick to a narrative when you're caught with your pants down kid. Pakistani nationalists are in panick mode right now

[MENTION=18484]Porus[/MENTION] keep this coming, IL-Logical is backed into a corner, he just switched up what he said from earlier.