Pakistan’s Easter tragedy highlights failed state status

[logical]

Forgot you wrote this reply as it was in your quote.

I see your points but I don't think Mush started any liberal change. He brought a lot of business to Karachi which is why he's loved there by a lot of people. But the fundamental change would've been to set Pakistan's priorities straight. Treating the Baloch separatists and anti-Pak Punjabi outfits as one and the same was a mistake. One is a group fighting for the rights of its province, and the other is one that seeks to impose this nasty Islamic ideology on Pakistan.

As far as the other changes are concerned; yes girls wearing what they want is a positive change but that shouldn't come at the expense of national security, it should come alongside.

Musharaf had to take out punjabi terrorists in Lal Masjid. Lal masjid operation started religious extremist insurgency in 2007 but other option was to give them space.

Same with anti-Pak Balochi sardars. Separatists should be treated with utter contempt like religious extremists, both are same as far as state of Pakistan is concerned. Musharraf did lot for Balochistan development which didn't go well with sardars. Only ignorant foreign Paki will say these gold digging sardars fight for rights.

[Porus]

Musharaf had to take out punjabi terrorists in Lal Masjid. Lal masjid operation started religious extremist insurgency in 2007 but other option was to give them space.

Same with anti-Pak Balochi sardars. Separatists should be treated with utter contempt like religious extremists, both are same as far as state of Pakistan is concerned. Musharraf did lot for Balochistan development which didn't go well with sardars. Only ignorant foreign Paki will say these gold digging sardars fight for rights.

Blah blah blah more chutiya rhetoric, keep it coming

[Porus]

Same with anti-Pak Balochi sardars. Separatists should be treated with utter contempt like religious extremists, both are same as far as state of Pakistan is concerned. Musharraf did lot for Balochistan development which didn't go well with sardars. Only ignorant foreign Paki will say these gold digging sardars fight for rights.

Interesting how Israel's occupation of Palestine is such an emotional topic for Pakistanis but when it comes to Pakistan's occupation of Kalat state and the army's atrocities there... it's awl good in the hood.

What did Musharraf do for Balochistan's development?

[Firdousi]

Heard todays blast was a "gas cylinder".. again.

Time to seal the border and kick out all cylinders. Enough is enough!

Stup*d Pakis. Dumbest people ever. Nobody cares. Cockroaches.

[logical]

Interesting how Israel's occupation of Palestine is such an emotional topic for Pakistanis but when it comes to Pakistan's occupation of Kalat state and the army's atrocities there... it's awl good in the hood.

What did Musharraf do for Balochistan's development?

Use logical arguments. For Israel they brought people from all over europe to settle in foreign occupied land. They wanted to get rid of jews from Europe and that was best possible solution while also looking good in the eyes of yahudis.

Kalat acceded to Pakistan and that will not change now because some Sardars personal wishful thinking. First these sardars should give rights to local balochis by fair distribution of land, how the **** these waderas can even talk about rights? It's ****ing ironic.

Do you know whole point of sardars is to keep most of the land under 1 family while rest of people of their tribe are slaves? Musharraf wanted to give average Balochi ownership of land they plough for sardars.

Musharraf build Gwadar and all roads, infrastructure, universities, hospitals etc you see in Balochistan are all thanks to General Musharraf. This didn't go well with Bugti because educated Baloch will one day want to get rid of sardari system.

[Shapur]

Use logical arguments. For Israel they brought people from all over europe to settle in foreign occupied land. They wanted to get rid of jews from Europe and that was best possible solution while also looking good in the eyes of yahudis.

Kalat acceded to Pakistan and that will not change now because some Sardars personal wishful thinking. First these sardars should give rights to local balochis by fair distribution of land, how the **** these waderas can even talk about rights? It's ****ing ironic.

Do you know whole point of sardars is to keep most of the land under 1 family while rest of people of their tribe are slaves? Musharraf wanted to give average Balochi ownership of land they plough for sardars.

Musharraf build Gwadar and all roads, infrastructure, universities, hospitals etc you see in Balochistan are all thanks to General Musharraf. This didn't go well with Bugti because educated Baloch will one day want to get rid of sardari system.

Why do some Pakistani nationalists keep lying about Pakistan's forced occupation of Balochistan? Do they think in this day and age anyone with access to internet can not expose their lies?

The Khan of Kalat did not acced to join Pakistan, but Pamistan took an independent Balochistan by force. This is from one of Pakistani sources

On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. Kalat capitulated on March 27 after the army moved into the coastal region and it was announced in Karachi that the Khan of Kalat has agreed to merge his state with Pakistan. Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that the Balochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence of Balochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. The sovereign Baloch state after British withdrawal from India lasted only 227 days. During this time Baluchistan had a flag flying in its embassy in Karachi where its ambassador to Pakistan lived. To say that the Baloch have been ill-treated by all governments and military establishments since their land was illegally and forcefully taken over would be an understatement

How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective


Read this rest of the article to inform yourself.

What is hypocritical about Pakistani stance regarding Kashmir is that they say the Maharaja of Kashmir did not have the right to join India because he did not ask the opinion of Kashmiri people but you would conviniently accept imaginary unilateral decision by khan of kalat to join Pamistan without the permission of the Baloch people.

The Baloch do want education, development etc but on their own terms. They don't want their kids to read about Nazriya e Pakistan in their universities but get proper education. The Baloch just don't want to become minority in their own province outmumbered by illegal Pakistanis who have no right to be there.

Nobody believes the Pakistani propaganda except Pakistanis themselves and some gullible Baloch who don't know the real history. The big powers are also hypocrites by suppprting the Pakistani occupation of Balochistan but it is in their interest for things to stay this way.

[Elite Pakhtun]

I agree I wasn't being intellectual but I don't like Musharraf. He's a nasty liar like all the other generals. He started a fifth Baloch insurgency, escalated the war in Pakistan by bombing some Taliban whilst maintaining others.. and he started another war with India. I mean, how reckless can these Generals get. They're like the opposite of fine wine, worse as the time goes on.

I have to disagree. Peshawar saw far more development under Mush than anyone I recall prior to him.

Media was garbage - it was indiot cr*p 24/7. There were no Pakistani channels. Cable operators took the short cut and provided Indiot media for everyone. It was hell. "MTV" was MTV India, and was non-stop Bollywood. Not until, like, midnight (which for a teenager going to school, is not a time they stay up at on weekdays at least) did you get any semi-decent music. Even that was hit and miss. It wasn't until he forcefully banned Indian channels did we start getting the South African, and European owned stuff, and Pakistani channels started popping up. Many of the Pakistani channels (regardless of what you think of them) probably wouldn't have been around had he not banned indiot channels.

India - we had a fight in 1999 during Kargil. But following that, the relations had it's ups and downs. While the cable banning stuff did happen, in the mid-2000s the relations with Indiot-land was actually fairly good. Better than I ever recall them being. I hate them though. They're ****ing us up via support of proxies, polluting Afghani brains, and generally doing nothing other than making use of the only thing they have: overpopulation.

I still remember those pieces of garbage asking US presidents, when they visit, stuff like "why can't we (India) teach them (Pakistan) a lesson?". Morr kus de ughaym.. f*cking indiot garbage. I f*cking hate them so f*cking much. Afkoonis jumping on indiot d*ck is f*cking annoying too.

Anyways... Not sure why you think Musharraf was the worst. He may not have been the best, sure... but hardly an example of the lousiest leader we've had. Along with the bad, he did do good stuff.

[Adam]

I still remember those pieces of garbage asking US presidents, when they visit, stuff like "why can't we (India) teach them (Pakistan) a lesson?". Morr kus de ughaym.. f*cking indiot garbage. I f*cking hate them so f*cking much. Afkoonis jumping on indiot d*ck is f*cking annoying too.

Damn, what a gem of a quote lol

[PakMan]

Sure keep telling yourself this so you can sleep better at night and avoid any information or ideas that run contrary so you can pretend that no one refuted these points already . And keep recycling the same arguments too, then you can pretend that Pakistan isn't lower than Nigeria. lol Being a coward seems to be what Pakistani establishment wants to indoctrinate in its drones.

HahahHahaha bro u don't have a point, u never had. This is ur reply to me waking u up and shoving in ur head that Afghanistan will always stand alone if it stands against Pakistan!!!!
So SAD

Yes we are below Nigeria
Nigeria is an oil rich country with a GDP of $493 billion global ranking 21st it's no Somalia buddy
Both Pakistan and Nigeria are part of next 11 economies
Pakistan is ranked 20th most powerful country

The only thing below Afghanistan is dog poop.... lol

BTW!! THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS THAT AFGHANS CAN VENT AND SLEEP WELL :p

[Firdousi]

Guys, guys, please, calm down. We all do agree that Pakistanis are a bunch of subhuman cockroaches that deserve to die but we shouldn't lose our cool over it.

By cheering their death and misery we would lose our humanity. After all that would mean that we consider them as human beings, as our equals. Thats obviously not true so chill out lol

[PakMan]

Interesting how Israel's occupation of Palestine is such an emotional topic for Pakistanis but when it comes to Pakistan's occupation of Kalat state and the army's atrocities there... it's awl good in the hood.

What did Musharraf do for Balochistan's development?

Bro we all live on earth not heaven

Pakistan is just doing what we learned from the world

Either ask

Europeans to go back from USA Canada and Australia

Spain to return all the gold and money looted from Latin America

Arabs, afghans and central Asians to apologise for their looting and plundering and provide compensation

Indians to grant independence to all states they took over militarily

Indians to compensate untouchables for millennia of misery

Colonials to accept their barbarism and return all that they took illegally and also compensate

Japanese to apologise and compensate Chinese

List goes on.....

Plus ur not informed enough to make definite statements on balochistan. In fact you know very little or nothing. You are just holding on to the narrative that qualifies you to be a liberal in certain circles outside Pakistan that's all.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

HahahHahaha bro u don't have a point, u never had. This is ur reply to me waking u up and shoving in ur head that Afghanistan will always stand alone if it stands against Pakistan!!!!
So SAD

Yes we are below Nigeria
Nigeria is an oil rich country with a GDP of $493 billion global ranking 21st it's no Somalia buddy
Both Pakistan and Nigeria are part of next 11 economies
Pakistan is ranked 20th most powerful country

The only thing below Afghanistan is dog poop.... lol

BTW!! THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS THAT AFGHANS CAN VENT AND SLEEP WELL :p

Wow man, look at your temper tantrum Living your entire life being brainwashed and indoctrinated by Pakistan's orwellian doublethink only to be exposed to the Truth, must be cognitive dissonance for you, hence yiour nervous breakdown.

You know, Nigeria It's not that far above Somalia either.

Nigeria GDP | 196-217 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

Somalia GDP | 196-217 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

Pakistan GDP | 196-217 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

Not to mention Nigeria and Pakistan's populations are about comparable size.

by the way add a few more "hahahahahas" it will help numb your pain.

[Manzareh]

BTW!! THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS THAT AFGHANS CAN VENT AND SLEEP WELL :p

Not really, this forum is for Pashtuns that unite together as one race, prioritise and work together, this forum is for progression of our race we don't care about Nationalistic Pakistanis or afghans, you people are free to stay in your ridiculous little bubble. You not read the slogan on the home page?

[Porus]

Bro we all live on earth not heaven

Pakistan is just doing what we learned from the world

Either ask

Europeans to go back from USA Canada and Australia

Spain to return all the gold and money looted from Latin America

Arabs, afghans and central Asians to apologise for their looting and plundering and provide compensation

Indians to grant independence to all states they took over militarily

Indians to compensate untouchables for millennia of misery

Colonials to accept their barbarism and return all that they took illegally and also compensate

Japanese to apologise and compensate Chinese

List goes on.....

What are you talking about Israel and Pakistan are colonial states that are complicit in colonisation TODAY. What on earth does this have to do with Japanese compensating Chinese?

Plus ur not informed enough to make definite statements on balochistan.

Neither are you, so shut the **** up and sit down. Pointless statement.

Media was garbage - it was indiot cr*p 24/7. There were no Pakistani channels. Cable operators took the short cut and provided Indiot media for everyone. It was hell. "MTV" was MTV India, and was non-stop Bollywood. Not until, like, midnight (which for a teenager going to school, is not a time they stay up at on weekdays at least) did you get any semi-decent music. Even that was hit and miss. It wasn't until he forcefully banned Indian channels did we start getting the South African, and European owned stuff, and Pakistani channels started popping up. Many of the Pakistani channels (regardless of what you think of them) probably wouldn't have been around had he not banned indiot channels.

India - we had a fight in 1999 during Kargil. But following that, the relations had it's ups and downs. While the cable banning stuff did happen, in the mid-2000s the relations with Indiot-land was actually fairly good. Better than I ever recall them being. I hate them though. They're ****ing us up via support of proxies, polluting Afghani brains, and generally doing nothing other than making use of the only thing they have: overpopulation.

I still remember those pieces of garbage asking US presidents, when they visit, stuff like "why can't we (India) teach them (Pakistan) a lesson?". Morr kus de ughaym.. f*cking indiot garbage. I f*cking hate them so f*cking much. Afkoonis jumping on indiot d*ck is f*cking annoying too.

Anyways... Not sure why you think Musharraf was the worst. He may not have been the best, sure... but hardly an example of the lousiest leader we've had. Along with the bad, he did do good stuff.

Basically what I've got from all this is that you hate Indian culture, Musharraf hated his forefathers (Indians from Uttar Pradesh) therefore you like him.

Lol if you hate Indian culture so much then why are you pro-Pakistan? You shouldn't even identify as Pakistani as most of our culture is Indian (Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi)... sure there's a bit of Pashto in there, but we don't care about you guys.

Use logical arguments. For Israel they brought people from all over europe to settle in foreign occupied land. They wanted to get rid of jews from Europe and that was best possible solution while also looking good in the eyes of yahudis.

Kalat acceded to Pakistan and that will not change now because some Sardars personal wishful thinking. First these sardars should give rights to local balochis by fair distribution of land, how the **** these waderas can even talk about rights? It's ****ing ironic.

Do you know whole point of sardars is to keep most of the land under 1 family while rest of people of their tribe are slaves? Musharraf wanted to give average Balochi ownership of land they plough for sardars.

Musharraf build Gwadar and all roads, infrastructure, universities, hospitals etc you see in Balochistan are all thanks to General Musharraf. This didn't go well with Bugti because educated Baloch will one day want to get rid of sardari system.

All wrong. Kalat was independent before Pakistan and India. I urge you to read the actual history of the Kalat state and not some nonsense spewed by Pakistani nationalists. Even if we assume the accession was voluntary, the leading Balochistan states Union which Kalat joined to form, was promised complete autonomy under the dominion of Pakistan.

Since that treaty has been broken time and again and it's obvious that there's no democratic government, but rather military rule (forever and always) the Baloch separatists are exercising their democratic right to fight their oppressors. As far as building roads is concerned I'm pretty sure the Baloch aren't incapable of making roads. It's such a condescending measure of worth that you tell Afghans that the Taliban 'at least brought a system' or the Baloch that 'at least Musharraf made you a road'. As if they're too dumb to do these things themselves.

[Porus]

Why do some Pakistani nationalists keep lying about Pakistan's forced occupation of Balochistan? Do they think in this day and age anyone with access to internet can not expose their lies?

The Khan of Kalat did not acced to join Pakistan, but Pamistan took an independent Balochistan by force. This is from one of Pakistani sources



How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective


Read this rest of the article to inform yourself.

What is hypocritical about Pakistani stance regarding Kashmir is that they say the Maharaja of Kashmir did not have the right to join India because he did not ask the opinion of Kashmiri people but you would conviniently accept imaginary unilateral decision by khan of kalat to join Pamistan without the permission of the Baloch people.

The Baloch do want education, development etc but on their own terms. They don't want their kids to read about Nazriya e Pakistan in their universities but get proper education. The Baloch just don't want to become minority in their own province outmumbered by illegal Pakistanis who have no right to be there.

Nobody believes the Pakistani propaganda except Pakistanis themselves and some gullible Baloch who don't know the real history. The big powers are also hypocrites by suppprting the Pakistani occupation of Balochistan but it is in their interest for things to stay this way.

Wonderfully put Shahpur, I couldn't have said it better myself although I did try.