Muslim Trouble making

[Karachi]

So you and the rest of your Pakistanis know the sexual preferences and practices of all the other derivatives of your Indic world? More importantly, you personally know the sexual preferences of the Pashtun race?

The rest of you Pakistanis are just as racist as each other and would use anything to slander anyone of a different race. Unfortunately you do it to people who can't answer back. Now is the perfect opportunity for people like you as the whole worlds media is focused against Pashtuns.

A few years ago I saw an advert on a Pakistani TV channel, it was in Urdu and I couldn't understand it but someone told me it was telling people to keep an eye on their children and was raising awareness against child abuse. There was no mention of Pashtuns anywhere and I believe it was aired from and produced in Karachi.

Brother child abuse is bad but it is very different from Bacha Bazi, which is underground culture

[Karachi]

Great article from Pakistani news paper itself:

Pakistan: The land of bigotry, misogyny and violence with blasphemy allegations as its raison d'etre



These events of the past week or so show that violence, misogyny and bigotry define Pakistan and recourse to blasphemy is the cornerstone of its society





Here is what has happened this week in the land of the pure. A politician (from PTI) punched another one (from PML-N) for calling his leader a traitor. In response, the first politician stood in front of the media and made allegations against his harasser’s sisters. That’s violence and misogyny taken care of, within a space of 24 hours.
Let’s move on to a few days before that. It seems that our judiciary is in need of special hugs because one of its members, a judge in the Islamabad High Court, professed to weeping inconsolably when he reads anything against his religion on social media. He wants the government to ensure that “blasphemers” are put on Pakistan’s pride and joy: the Exit Control List. One wonders why you would want anyone who you think has made fun of your religion to remain in the country. The answer is pretty simple. You don’t want them to leave because you want to punish them. And punish them how? Blasphemers get the death penalty. It’s not that these people just want others to leave their religion alone, they want to ensure that they get killed for criticizing it. After following the due process of the law, of course. As an aside, please note that I always hear the word “blasphemers” in John Cleese’s voice from the movie Life of Brian.
The Honorable Judge has had the support of various factions of the media and other parts of society, who are ever ready to lay down other people’s lives in the name of religion. The issue for them is very clear: no one gets to criticize Islam. That is how things are and should remain. On the other hand, nary a protest is made when Christians are called by derogatory names and Hindus are called “baniyas”, as was done by another politician to criticize his opponent.
Now let’s come to the last two days. Our Interior Minister Chaudhary Nisar has also been triggered. He has professed to being very upset that social media sites like Facebook are not providing him with information regarding some people running a campaign against the Islamabad High Court judiciary. In his campaign to support only those elements that want to suppress others through religion, he has threatened to block social media sites in Pakistan, in an attempt to protect the very sensitive citenzry from reading blasphemous content.
On the other hand, the statement by a blogger that he was kidnapped and tortured by state institutions has had no impact on our esteemed leaders.
These events of the past week or so show that violence, misogyny and bigotry define Pakistan and recourse to blasphemy is the cornerstone of its society.
If you are upset with an opponent, hit him. If you want to flex your muscles against bloggers, kidnap and torture them. When you have nothing in response to your rival, use the time-honoured practice of abusing the women in his family. And always ensure that the blasphemy law is kept as a precious resource, to be used whenever you require.
This is what we have reduced ourselves to: cultishly following leaders without allowing any criticism of them. It is interesting to note that not even the women leaders of PML-N called out their colleague on abusing women for point scoring. Because misogyny is so entrenched in our minds that even women do not think anything is wrong with it.
As for PTI, they also indulged in misogyny, while criticizing it. Their social media teams made allegations of blasphemy and threats against a reporter for recording a video of their esteemed leader.
These are the important aspects that define Pakistan. Our violent, bigoted, misogynistic reactions to even the smallest of infractions.
These are the things that outrage us. Not our low scores in human rights and education. Not the fact that while we wax eloquent about the Islamic golden age, the country is below every other one for any scientific achievements (other than the nuclear bomb and the water kit car of course), but the fact that our messiahs are criticized and our ideologies are not given due deference.
Freedom of speech is an important characteristic of civilized society. Censoring content and threatening people just ensures that the only kind of progress you make is in oppressing people. Using misogyny as a counter argument does not make you macho; it just shows your pathetic mindset. And using religion as a tool of the state has only ever meant clinging to backward notions of morality. Notions, which have never resulted in progress.
The enlightenment ensured that the west moved on from being bogged down by the same issues of violence, misogyny, bigotry and dependence on blasphemy. They were in the same boat till they realized that antediluvian methods of living one’s life did not work anymore. That religion and state needed to be separate. That life, liberty and freedom were important facets of civilized society. We need to do the same.


Pakistan: The land of bigotry, misogyny and violence with blasphemy allegations as its raison d'etre

[Charsi Malang]

Brother child abuse is bad but it is very different from Bacha Bazi, which is underground culture

I meant sexual abuse. That is bacha bazi. Or as they may put it in Urdu "laundey bazi", which refers to boys of any age.

[کیش]

When the Prophet (PBUH) and the Companions lived in Madina they were not any instances of the Prophet (PBUH) telling Muslims to commit any sort of violence to the civilians living in Mecca.

Were there any axe attacks, raping of women or killing idol worshipers in their temples in Mecca?

So anybody (or a group) who commits random acts of violence to a civilian population is not from Islam. These killers do not represent Muslims. Surely, they are of the losers.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Brother child abuse is bad but it is very different from Bacha Bazi, which is underground culture

So you just admitted it's not the norm; ......

[Manzareh]

Its not hard to fake a banner either. I would question everything a lier says/posts even its true.

[Karachi]

I meant sexual abuse. That is bacha bazi. Or as they may put it in Urdu "laundey bazi", which refers to boys of any age.

Thats first time I am hearing that term. this is not normal for our indic societies

[Karachi]

When the Prophet (PBUH) and the Companions lived in Madina they were not any instances of the Prophet (PBUH) telling Muslims to commit any sort of violence to the civilians living in Mecca.

Were there any axe attacks, raping of women or killing idol worshipers in their temples in Mecca?

So anybody (or a group) who commits random acts of violence to a civilian population is not from Islam. These killers do not represent Muslims. Surely, they are of the losers.

what about the killing of 900 Jews randomly?

[کیش]

what about the killing of 900 Jews randomly?

Was that the same "900" Jews from Madina who backstabbed and broke the peace treaty and sided with the Quraysh during the siege of the Battle of Trench?

Theres nothing random about getting executed after backstabbing and breaking your peace treaty in a time of war. Because you (Banu Qurayza) thought the Muslims were going to lose.

I'm pretty sure i already explained this to you several pages ago.

anymore information you have read from Islamophobic websites you wanna recycle again and again?

This post of yours just proves that you were never a Muslim. You lack basic knowledge of Islam. No knowledge of the Prophets (PBUH) life. And all your "knowledge" of Islam comes from hate websites.

[Karachi]

So you just admitted it's not the norm; ......

Its normal doucebag, Kabul/Peshawar hotels are are filled with people doing Bacha Bazi and everyone knows about it. By underground I mean, the rapes are not done in daylight on streets, yet everyone knows they are happening inside

[Karachi]

Was that the same "900" Jews from Madina who backstabbed and broke the peace treaty and sided with the Quraysh during the siege of the Battle of Trench?

Theres nothing random about getting executed after backstabbing and breaking your peace treaty in a time of war. Because you (Banu Qurayza) thought the Muslims were going to lose.

I'm pretty sure i already explained this to you several pages ago.

anymore information you have read from Islamophobic websites you wanna recycle again and again?

This post of yours just proves that you were never a Muslim. You lack basic knowledge of Islam. No knowledge of the Prophets (PBUH) life. And all your "knowledge" of Islam comes from hate websites.

so everyone of those jew was responsible? they erased the whole Jewish tribe of Medina and even Arabia just because someone broke a treaty. Very peaceful bro

[کیش]

so everyone of those jew was responsible? they erased the whole Jewish tribe of Medina and even Arabia just because someone broke a treaty. Very peaceful bro

Man, you really do not have any Knowledge of Islam or the Prophets (PBUH) life.

I guess keep reading Breitbart News or something.

[Karachi]

Man, you really do not have any Knowledge of Islam or the Prophets (PBUH) life.

I guess keep reading Breitbart News or something.

I have knowledge, I am just questioning the reasons for these murders or the violent hadiths/verses. This is what the extremists of today use and get their justification for violence

Anyways at the end, religion is what you make of it, every religious text in the world has violence. People just need choose what to follow and where to apply. Certainly the violent hadiths or verses of the Quran should have no meaning for today's generation of muslims. The world has changed a lot since the 7th century. This is where the Mullahs and Imams are failing, they really need to bring Islam and muslims to the 21th century

[کیش]

I have knowledge, I am just questioning the reasons for these murders or the violent hadiths/verses. This is what the extremists of today use and get their justification for violence

Anyways at the end, religion is what you make of it, every religious text in the world has violence. People just need choose what to follow and where to apply. Certainly the violent hadiths or verses of the Quran should have no meaning for today's generation of muslims. The world has changed a lot since the 7th century. This is where the Mullahs and Imams are failing, they really need to bring Islam and muslims to the 21th century

No, my dude you do not have any knowledge. Not trying to insult or anything.

You said Muslims in Madina "Randomly" massacred 800 jews. i gave you facts on why that happened.

I gave facts that there was never any random attacks inside Mecca when the Muslimes lived in Madina.

You never pointed out how Muslims were betrayed by the Jews in Madina, when the Muslims were in trouble, besieged and outnumbered. You completely ignored it. The Muslims were about to get massacred themselves.

If you read the Authentic Sahih hadiths, you would know they are not violent at all. It is about how Muslims should carry themselves through Salah, Zakat, Fasting and Dhikr.


The terrorists of ISIS. If you have heard Baghdadi's speech in Mosul, He never once quoted authentic Sahih hadiths. Baghdadi and ISIS quotes their own poetry majority of the time. The same can be said about the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.


So please stop. You do not want to learn and keep repeating the same thing

[کیش]

Just one example of Sahih hadith on what happens when a Muslim kills another Muslim.

Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.” I said, “O Allāh’s Messenger, that is the case for the killer but why should that be the case for the killed?” He answered, “Because he wanted to kill his companion.” [Al-Bukhari & Muslim]