This guy would be killed in most muslim countries

[Karachi]

But Kuwait and GCC countries tend to less extremist then places like Afghanistan, Pakistan etc... this is why they invite people like him on tv

[khushal]

False,
GCC countries are protected by the US military from their people which is why you had Sadam praying on TV and put the kalima on the flag and started his speeches with the kalima once american support was removed. Feeling the pressure from his people.

[Karachi]

False,
GCC countries are protected by the US military from their people which is why you had Sadam praying on TV and put the kalima on the flag and started his speeches with the kalima once american support was removed. Feeling the pressure from his people.

You have clearly never lived in the gulf, there are many intellectual local arabs there, just like this guy. The gulf, excluding Saudi Arabia (which is a very big country) is a very open society and these are arabs, who from the beginning understood the Quran/Hadiths, way more then a average Paki or Afghan

[Porus]

I agree that Gulf countries are more liberal than Saudi Arabia or Iran, but to say they're more liberal than Pakistan is a longshot. We do have debates on TV regarding secularism and the separation of religion and state. Hamid Mir and others have defended the rights of Ahmadis and Shias in Pakistan.

I mean maybe Afghanistan is different but don't compare Pakistan to the Gulf.

[Kakar-Wardak]

lol so is this guy meant to be some spokesperson for islam, his last point is so wrong, anyone who has been to these gulf sates know that they copy the west in everything, fast food, obesity, diabetes, gas guzzling cars, music, even their prayers are the shortest these wahabies don't even pray sunnahs.

Also these gulf countries are living in luxury, these obese characters don't work instead they bring in 10 people for every one citizen they have to work their economy, and guy is talking about terrorism yet these fat lards are the ones who export wahabi terrorist to syria, iraq, yemen.

[DaZahroJaam.]

pakistan is not more liberal than anything. it's a state of failure in everything it implements. whether that's democracy or religious extremism. those circumstances are not deliberate but side effects of failures.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Karachi, your posts are borderline worthless. You're some dumb indian who has nothing other than piggy backing off of india. You're not smart, you're not articulate, and your posts are redundant and have been addressed many times by many people.

Take this post, for example... this exact same type of debate stuff happens in Pakistan all the time. I mean ALL the time.

[Karachi]

I agree that Gulf countries are more liberal than Saudi Arabia or Iran, but to say they're more liberal than Pakistan is a longshot. We do have debates on TV regarding secularism and the separation of religion and state. Hamid Mir and others have defended the rights of Ahmadis and Shias in Pakistan.

I mean maybe Afghanistan is different but don't compare Pakistan to the Gulf.

Pakistan is liberal hahahah, dont be stupid you fool, In Pakistan if somebody even speaks for the rights of minorities gets killed, this is your great panjuistan. The problem with Pakistan is the extreme Jahilya of the society and add Islamic extremism to that Jahiliya you get a disaster

[Karachi]

lol so is this guy meant to be some spokesperson for islam, his last point is so wrong, anyone who has been to these gulf sates know that they copy the west in everything, fast food, obesity, diabetes, gas guzzling cars, music, even their prayers are the shortest these wahabies don't even pray sunnahs.

Also these gulf countries are living in luxury, these obese characters don't work instead they bring in 10 people for every one citizen they have to work their economy, and guy is talking about terrorism yet these fat lards are the ones who export wahabi terrorist to syria, iraq, yemen.

What did he say wrong though, dare to dispute him? he is using Quran/hadiths as a reference, and dont give me the same BS that average muslims can't understand Quran, only scholars are allowed too

[Karachi]

Karachi, your posts are borderline worthless. You're some dumb indian who has nothing other than piggy backing off of india. You're not smart, you're not articulate, and your posts are redundant and have been addressed many times by many people.

Take this post, for example... this exact same type of debate stuff happens in Pakistan all the time. I mean ALL the time. Even an afghani maajar servant can tell you this.

douchbag moron, are you telling me Pathans in Peshawar or Panjus in Lahore are debating about Islam like this?. There is no way you can show me this type of thing being discussed on Pakistani tv you idiotic moron, anyone who discusses Islam in this way will be killed there

[Elite Pakhtun]

douchbag moron, are you telling me Pathans in Peshawar or Panjus in Lahore are debating about Islam like this?. There is no way you can show me this type of thing being discussed on Pakistani tv you idiotic moron, anyone who discusses Islam in this way will be killed there

Pakistan Secular or Non-Secular - Hassan Nisar explains - YouTube

Right there... the format of debate thing that you posted is one of the single most popular things on Pakistani TV. Trust me.

[Kakar-Wardak]

What did he say wrong though, dare to dispute him? he is using Quran/hadiths as a reference, and dont give me the same BS that average muslims can't understand Quran, only scholars are allowed too

Same old arguments he is saying nothing new these left wing liberals are everywhere in the media platforms.
There problem is not With radical Muslims, their problem is Quran and Islam itself look how he talks about Allah book as if it is just any other book.

[Porus]

pakistan is not more liberal than anything. it's a state of failure in everything it implements. whether that's democracy or religious extremism. those circumstances are not deliberate but side effects of failures.

*cough* Afghanistan *cough*

Like Afghan democracy is some kind of success story.

Pakistan is liberal hahahah, dont be stupid you fool, In Pakistan if somebody even speaks for the rights of minorities gets killed, this is your great panjuistan. The problem with Pakistan is the extreme Jahilya of the society and add Islamic extremism to that Jahiliya you get a disaster

Fat **** sitting in Canada, spewing nonsense he doesn't know, tells Pakistanis they are Jaahil. Why are you using the Arabic word for ignorance if you're such a proud 'Indian'? Use the Sanskrit word lol

[Porus]

Right there... the format of debate thing that you posted is one of the single most popular things on Pakistani TV. Trust me.

He thinks that when Arabs or Iranians talk like this they are liberal, but when Pakistanis do it they're fake.

This is what we call a grade A chootiya.

[Porus]

Defends secularism on Mubashir Luqman's show; a conservative anchor.



Debate between Pakistanis on secularism

There's countless others. Don't be an ignoramus and look them up