cashing blood of Afghans

[Azmal]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmou.../#4957af4337c1



"Back in 2001, Pakistan leveraged its proximity to Afghanistan to extract a big benefit from America: a write off for a big part of its foreign debt--the spark of Pakistan's fifteen-year bull market. America needed Pakistan as an ally in its war against Afghanistan. And Pakistan's leadership offered to do just that in exchange for the US brokering debt relief for their large external debt - 60 percent of the country’s GDP, with debt serving counting for 30 percent of exports.
“A unilateral default seemed almost inevitable,” writes Marko Dimitrijevic in Frontier Investor (New York: Columbia Business School, 2017). “However, the United States’ post-9/11 collaboration with the Musharraf government to fight terrorism provided an environment conducive for Pakistan to request the rescheduling of its debt.”
Indeed, in December 2001, the Paris club did just that, cutting Pakistan’s debt by $12 billion, with IMF providing the country additional funding."



Terrorism a lucrative enterprise for Pakis—it doesn’t matter if Pashtuns, Baluchs or rest of Afghans women and Children get killed.

[Peacelove]

Either pakistanis are dam intelligent that whole world fell into there propaganda or afghans are so much ignorant..Had you handed over Osama to US that would have never happened.

[Firdousi]

Either pakistanis are dam intelligent that whole world fell into there propaganda or afghans are so much ignorant..Had you handed over Osama to US that would have never happened.

Nice joke

[Peacelove]

Nice joke

Choose not to reply on subject or other sentence.. It hurts sometime but its ok

[~Zarlakhta~]

Either pakistanis are dam intelligent that whole world fell into there propaganda or afghans are so much ignorant..Had you handed over Osama to US that would have never happened.

You mean same Osama that was supposedly found in Pakistan (right next to a military base) with his family? Or do you think that part is only a theory just because it doesn't leave the Pakistani government an option to defend itself?

[Peacelove]

You mean same Osama that was supposedly found in Pakistan (right next to a military base) with his family? Or do you think that part is only a theory just because it doesn't leave the Pakistani government an option to defend itself?

Same Osama , which at that time Taliban acknowledged are with them and deny to handover ? right or wrong..

[~Zarlakhta~]

Same Osama , which at that time Taliban acknowledged are with them and deny to handover ? right or wrong..

That doesn't answer how he, supposedly, ended up right next to a military base in Pakistan? The same Pakistani government that allowed air access to NATO into Afghanistan, and same Pakistani government who believes Taliban in Afghanistan is in best interest of Pakistan. If these 'theories' are all true, then you not see how and why Pakistani government is accused of double game in all front since the fall of Taliban regime?

If you truly don't then there's nothing to argue with someone who's not willing to understand.

[Peacelove]

That doesn't answer how he, supposedly, ended up right next to a military base in Pakistan? The same Pakistani government that allowed air access to NATO into Afghanistan, and same Pakistani government who believes Taliban in Afghanistan is in best interest of Pakistan. If these 'theories' are all true, then you not see how and why Pakistani government is accused of double game in all front since the fall of Taliban regime?

If you truly don't then there's nothing to argue with someone who's not willing to understand.

Call it double or triple game..
This is typical behavior , Why not Taliban handed over osama to US when pakistan requested ..Ok i know like all other afghans for you also Pakistan is the only evil and all bad happening in afghanistan from day 1 is due to Pakistan.
Pakistan government believe it or not taliban were ruling and still holding the grounds ..Ever wonder why since local supports them..Why ANA and US unable to defeat them ?
Afghans are angle of peace ..
Let me ask simple question ..Why did US invade Afghanistan ? You people dont blame US instead bash Pakistan..Never i see afghan bad mouthing USSR but again Paksitan. This is where is disagree..I am not saying pakistan is saint in all this..Pakistan is just protecting itself

[Elite Pakhtun]

Sounds like a good deal. Only issue was Tajiks in the ANA gained too much. That's the only drawback.

[~Zarlakhta~]

Let me guess, are you one of those who's following history, terror attacks, events before the terror attacks and etc through TV and media? If so then you can stop reading right here.

If not then newsflash: Taliban are, were and will stay puppets of Saudi, Pakistan, USA and God knows how many others. 9/11 was an insider job, requesting Osama to be handed over is bullcrap, Osama being killed in Pakistan by American drones is bullcrap, NATO not being able to tame Taliban is bullcrap. And any person with slight research ignoring media KNOWS this. What locals are you talking about? Mashriqis hate Taliban, Northern Afghans hate Taliban, Central Afghans hate Taliban, residents of major cities hate Taliban. The only reason they're still surviving is because foreign governments need a puppet to run terror, and they need an excuse to invade another nation in name of terror. And what better and more illiterate and barbaric puppets than the Taliban?

The current government is installed to show the world NATO is trying to build Afghanistan against the Taliban, but the truth is Americans were never interested in defeating the Taliban. Even if I agree Americans are against Taliban, even if I agree Pakistan allowed NATO air space to fight the Taliban: then who's arming and training the Taliban and where? USA on Afghan soil? Indians? Pakistanis? Who? And why? Afghans are not badmouthing not USSR because our own government allowed Soviets ground, and once defeated the Soviet interference in Afghanistan was nil. How many people have the Soviets trained and sent to Afghanistan to attack its sovereignty? Exactly, nada.

As for Americans, the entire world knows the mess created in Middle East was a political stint. The only reason people take **** from Americans is because Americans provided the governments in the region enough money to back American presence and favour in their respective nations. It's called a long term beneficial politics. Americans don't need to kill us to win any Muslim country; he buys or created the government who'll serve the American purpose for decades to come. Taliban is only one example of this, and ISIS another.

Read my comments again and find me ONE comment where I said Afghans have been innocent and Pakistan is responsible for the entire mess? Just one? Unlike some, when I talk about historic events or political motives, I can actually back up my claim with sources, counter arguments of politicians and historians, and with research of events related to my claim. Just like how I did in the other thread about Afghans' views on Pakistan and Pakistanis. I don't talk from my backside, unless you can prove why I'm being biased or delusional?

[Azmal]

Either pakistanis are dam intelligent that whole world fell into there propaganda or afghans are so much ignorant..Had you handed over Osama to US that would have never happened.

On contrary Pakis lack intelligent...make no mistake the real victim of using terrorism as arm of foreigner policy are Pakistani themselves...only winner are corrupt politicians and coward military men---but even that for how long?

[Peacelove]

On contrary Pakis lack intelligent...make no mistake the real victim of using terrorism as arm of foreigner policy are Pakistani themselves...only winner are corrupt politicians and coward military men---but even that for how long?

Agree to the extent of Politicans but this coward military is capabale to protect us from Hindu Baniyas, US and ANA/Tajik/afghans warlords mighty gharratmand army.We are ok with this coward army in the presence of which no Talibans or other nation can invade us.Thank you

[Peacelove]

Let me guess, are you one of those who's following history, terror attacks, events before the terror attacks and etc through TV and media? If so then you can stop reading right here.

If not then newsflash: Taliban are, were and will stay puppets of Saudi, Pakistan, USA and God knows how many others. 9/11 was an insider job, requesting Osama to be handed over is bullcrap, Osama being killed in Pakistan by American drones is bullcrap, NATO not being able to tame Taliban is bullcrap. And any person with slight research ignoring media KNOWS this. What locals are you talking about? Mashriqis hate Taliban, Northern Afghans hate Taliban, Central Afghans hate Taliban, residents of major cities hate Taliban. The only reason they're still surviving is because foreign governments need a puppet to run terror, and they need an excuse to invade another nation in name of terror. And what better and more illiterate and barbaric puppets than the Taliban?

The current government is installed to show the world NATO is trying to build Afghanistan against the Taliban, but the truth is Americans were never interested in defeating the Taliban. Even if I agree Americans are against Taliban, even if I agree Pakistan allowed NATO air space to fight the Taliban: then who's arming and training the Taliban and where? USA on Afghan soil? Indians? Pakistanis? Who? And why? Afghans are not badmouthing not USSR because our own government allowed Soviets ground, and once defeated the Soviet interference in Afghanistan was nil. How many people have the Soviets trained and sent to Afghanistan to attack its sovereignty? Exactly, nada.

As for Americans, the entire world knows the mess created in Middle East was a political stint. The only reason people take **** from Americans is because Americans provided the governments in the region enough money to back American presence and favour in their respective nations. It's called a long term beneficial politics. Americans don't need to kill us to win any Muslim country; he buys or created the government who'll serve the American purpose for decades to come. Taliban is only one example of this, and ISIS another.

Read my comments again and find me ONE comment where I said Afghans have been innocent and Pakistan is responsible for the entire mess? Just one? Unlike some, when I talk about historic events or political motives, I can actually back up my claim with sources, counter arguments of politicians and historians, and with research of events related to my claim. Just like how I did in the other thread about Afghans' views on Pakistan and Pakistanis. I don't talk from my backside, unless you can prove why I'm being biased or delusional?

Respect for you detailed answer..
Why did US attack Afghanistan the answer is still not there..Again talibs are afghans more than 90 % ..Why not ANA and US jointly closed the border with Pak and launch a killing operation against Talibs..How they managed to twice reach Helmand ? may be marching from Quetta till there unstoppable..
No insurgency survive if there is no public support,,You are talking about cities and i am referring to rural areas where the real support is exist.Where the presence of US/Kafir army is enough to raise arms

[~Zarlakhta~]

If you were able to read between then lines then my answer would have flashed through your eyes. USA invaded Afghanistan for same reason they invaded Iraq, bombed Syria, hurled militia in Yemen, stirred militancy in Tunisia, and you name it. Americans are not destroying their own country by invading the Middle East: they're destroying the Middle East and Central Asia with no threat being faced back. They have a history of buying governments, or else creating governments. Reasons? So they're politically stronger worldwide, they can make more and more countries depend on them financially, and they can use and abuse the respective regions as they please. They need to invade some countries to achieve that quo status, whilst other countries ask for a price to be on their side at all times. And most important: financially and sovereignly the U.S.A CAN afford to create this mess.

The USA is not fencing Pak-Afghan border for the same reason Pakistani government is not. Both sides are blaming each other of terrorism, but no side is willing to pose stricter border checks. Why? Surprise surprise, the respective parties DO NOT want terrorism to stop in Afghanistan or any region that borders us. As for the insurgency's survival, you're missing the point again. Even if entire of Afghanistan supported them they wouldn't have lasted UNLESS NATO wanted to. Read the news stories from a decade back, it was all flashing how locals and tribals would fight against the Taliban due to certain incidents. Those same news sources now claim locals and tribals DO support the Taliban due to American activities even though it's reduced now lol.

It doesn't take a genius to know that in order to win control over a warthorn country like Afghanistan, with no government nor any political stance for decades now, you need force and not people's will. If it was for people's will, every single Talib would have been dead from the face of earth. And claiming that a few tribals shooting rockets from the mountains is a more powerful means than NATO's intelligence and technology is not only laughable, but embarrassing for those who truly believe in fairytale like these.

[Peacelove]

If you were able to read between then lines then my answer would have flashed through your eyes. USA invaded Afghanistan for same reason they invaded Iraq, bombed Syria, hurled militia in Yemen, stirred militancy in Tunisia, and you name it. Americans are not destroying their own country by invading the Middle East: they're destroying the Middle East and Central Asia with no threat being faced back. They have a history of buying governments, or else creating governments. Reasons? So they're politically stronger worldwide, they can make more and more countries depend on them financially, and they can use and abuse the respective regions as they please. They need to invade some countries to achieve that quo status, whilst other countries ask for a price to be on their side at all times. And most important: financially and sovereignly the U.S.A CAN afford to create this mess.

The USA is not fencing Pak-Afghan border for the same reason Pakistani government is not. Both sides are blaming each other of terrorism, but no side is willing to pose stricter border checks. Why? Surprise surprise, the respective parties DO NOT want terrorism to stop in Afghanistan or any region that borders us. As for the insurgency's survival, you're missing the point again. Even if entire of Afghanistan supported them they wouldn't have lasted UNLESS NATO wanted to. Read the news stories from a decade back, it was all flashing how locals and tribals would fight against the Taliban due to certain incidents. Those same news sources now claim locals and tribals DO support the Taliban due to American activities even though it's reduced now lol.

It doesn't take a genius to know that in order to win control over a warthorn country like Afghanistan, with no government nor any political stance for decades now, you need force and not people's will. If it was for people's will, every single Talib would have been dead from the face of earth. And claiming that a few tribals shooting rockets from the mountains is a more powerful means than NATO's intelligence and technology is not only laughable, but embarrassing for those who truly believe in fairytale like these.

Last time when PAKISTAN built 1 one gate on border Afghans make hue and cry and start firing ..Aghhanistan itself don;t want to fence the border.
Again then Blame US/NATO if they don't want to finish taliban why afghan government not say them to go back.
Why talibs who are afghans becoming the proxy of Pakistan ?Talib and ghani can sit and say we will not fight ..Simple..No body can stop afghans to make peace if they really want to make