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  • KP Province should be expanded

    Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province should expand. It should include Balochistan, and FATA, as well as Attock and Mianwali.

    Thoughts?

  • #2
    Thats the stance of Pashtunkhwa Mili Awami party of Achakzai..............Isa Khel Tehsil of Mianwali is located on right bank of river Indus and should have been part of KP from the beginning........The rest of Mianwali and Attock rightfully belongs to Punjab.....The so called Pathans in Attock speak Hindko and are a minority overall, and are only concentrated in Chach area and few other villages of Attock like Shadi Khan, Makhad etc. Their case is like that of Pathans in Haripur and Abbotabad.... those Hindko-Pathans were at the forefronts in tehreek-i-suba-hazara, opposing the name Pakhtunkhwa and even displaying hostility for Pashto when it was announced to be taught in schools. The Pathans of Attock and Mianwali will definitely oppose merger with KPK.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Samandri View Post
      Thats the stance of Pashtunkhwa Mili Awami party of Achakzai..............Isa Khel Tehsil of Mianwali is located on right bank of river Indus and should have been part of KP from the beginning........The rest of Mianwali and Attock rightfully belongs to Punjab.....The so called Pathans in Attock speak Hindko and are a minority overall, and are only concentrated in Chach area and few other villages of Attock like Shadi Khan, Makhad etc. Their case is like that of Pathans in Haripur and Abbotabad.... those Hindko-Pathans were at the forefronts in tehreek-i-suba-hazara, opposing the name Pakhtunkhwa and even displaying hostility for Pashto when it was announced to be taught in schools. The Pathans of Attock and Mianwali will definitely oppose merger with KPK.
      I have been to chach many villages still speak Pashto. But yh hindko speakers are majority.

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      • #4
        I think if anything Pakistan needs more provinces. Turkey has over 80 provinces and it's only a little bigger in surface area to Pakistan. India has around 30, even Afghanistan has 31 provinces.

        It's way too difficult to manage an entire province with a single centre. For example in Punjab, all the wealth is concentrated to Lahore. In Sindh, a person has to travel all the way to Karachi to do good business. People of Bahawalpur have always had their demand for a separate province so they can get quotas in the government, but the Punjab government isn't willing to go with it.

        Every area should have its own financial capital, that way areas are more manageable, people will be more involved in their own government, output will increase etc. Pakistan will grow as a whole if this is made possible.

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        • #5
          OH Please, you already have enough of Indic lands, there is no way you will get more. You guys are people of central asia, if anything you guys should expand northwards in to the cold and arid central asia, not warm tropical south asia. Pathans are scared and heat and sun anyways, I have seen this in this Saudi Arabia. While Indian labors were working in the heat and sun, Pathan labors use to hide in shades like sissy's

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Porus View Post
            I think if anything Pakistan needs more provinces. Turkey has over 80 provinces and it's only a little bigger in surface area to Pakistan. India has around 30, even Afghanistan has 31 provinces.

            It's way too difficult to manage an entire province with a single centre. For example in Punjab, all the wealth is concentrated to Lahore. In Sindh, a person has to travel all the way to Karachi to do good business. People of Bahawalpur have always had their demand for a separate province so they can get quotas in the government, but the Punjab government isn't willing to go with it.

            Every area should have its own financial capital, that way areas are more manageable, people will be more involved in their own government, output will increase etc. Pakistan will grow as a whole if this is made possible.

            Yes it true, but Punjabis and Sindhis wont let that happen, they are against it. Karachi would be so much better if it was given to Urdu Speakers, there would be much less tensions there that way

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Samandri View Post
              Thats the stance of Pashtunkhwa Mili Awami party of Achakzai..............Isa Khel Tehsil of Mianwali is located on right bank of river Indus and should have been part of KP from the beginning........The rest of Mianwali and Attock rightfully belongs to Punjab.....The so called Pathans in Attock speak Hindko and are a minority overall, and are only concentrated in Chach area and few other villages of Attock like Shadi Khan, Makhad etc. Their case is like that of Pathans in Haripur and Abbotabad.... those Hindko-Pathans were at the forefronts in tehreek-i-suba-hazara, opposing the name Pakhtunkhwa and even displaying hostility for Pashto when it was announced to be taught in schools. The Pathans of Attock and Mianwali will definitely oppose merger with KPK.
              Hazara region and south KPK seraiki areas also rightfully belong to punjab. Not sure about western indus side of Mianwali if majority speak pashto there or not. TBH they are not really eager to join KPK. If anything they are also against Seraiki suba. Mianwali people want to remain with punjab.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Porus View Post
                I think if anything Pakistan needs more provinces. Turkey has over 80 provinces and it's only a little bigger in surface area to Pakistan. India has around 30, even Afghanistan has 31 provinces.

                It's way too difficult to manage an entire province with a single centre. For example in Punjab, all the wealth is concentrated to Lahore. In Sindh, a person has to travel all the way to Karachi to do good business. People of Bahawalpur have always had their demand for a separate province so they can get quotas in the government, but the Punjab government isn't willing to go with it.

                Every area should have its own financial capital, that way areas are more manageable, people will be more involved in their own government, output will increase etc. Pakistan will grow as a whole if this is made possible.
                Afghanistan have 31 provinces with their own parliament? They barely have functional Kabul parliament lol

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dawn View Post
                  Hazara region and south KPK seraiki areas also rightfully belong to punjab. Not sure about western indus side of Mianwali if majority speak pashto there or not. TBH they are not really eager to join KPK. If anything they are also against Seraiki suba. Mianwali people want to remain with punjab.
                  Ogi tehsil of Mansehra, Torghar district and Batagram district of Hazara are Pashto speaking areas, they have nothing to do with Hindko belt and Punjab. They are also politicaly in opoosition to creation of Hazara suba and want to be with KPK. Non-Hindko Kohistan district, which area-wise is half of Hazara, also want to be with KP.

                  Western half of DI Khan district is inhabited by Pashtun tribes , though they may be tempted to join Seraikistan as Takht-i-Peshawar is biased towards them (there is some degree of Seraiki influences on Pashtun tribes there).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Samandri View Post
                    those Hindko-Pathans were at the forefronts in tehreek-i-suba-hazara, opposing the name Pakhtunkhwa and even displaying hostility for Pashto when it was announced to be taught in schools. The Pathans of Attock and Mianwali will definitely oppose merger with KPK.
                    Because pashtun nationalism/ANP is based on language then castes. Hence you see pashto speaking pirachas among ANP and hindko pathans supporting hazara movement.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                      Yes it true, but Punjabis and Sindhis wont let that happen, they are against it. Karachi would be so much better if it was given to Urdu Speakers, there would be much less tensions there that way
                      Lol. You've already taken it. I don't think Karachi will ever be a separate province though. If any other provinces are to be made Punjab has to make the first move. It'll have to create provinces within Punjab and then expect KP to follow. Perhaps Balochistan will follow after. Sindhis have a genuine concern though, if Karachi is cut off from the rest of Sindh then there's not much alternative for them. KP has Peshawar and Punjab has Lahore, so Bahawalpur and Hazara separating isn't that big an issue.

                      Originally posted by dawn View Post
                      Afghanistan have 31 provinces with their own parliament? They barely have functional Kabul parliament lol
                      Supporting the Haqqanis and then laughing at the Afghan government's demise isn't good manners dude, just saying.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Porus View Post
                        Lol. You've already taken it. I don't think Karachi will ever be a separate province though. If any other provinces are to be made Punjab has to make the first move. It'll have to create provinces within Punjab and then expect KP to follow. Perhaps Balochistan will follow after. Sindhis have a genuine concern though, if Karachi is cut off from the rest of Sindh then there's not much alternative for them. KP has Peshawar and Punjab has Lahore, so Bahawalpur and Hazara separating isn't that big an issue.



                        Supporting the Haqqanis and then laughing at the Afghan government's demise isn't good manners dude, just saying.
                        Give it a rest dude, Pakistanis only supported marginalised afghani pathans who were getting butchered by ANA. And about new provinces, they will be either made all at the same time or non. Sindh is diffidently most tricky of all since Sindhis are becoming minority in Sindh. In fact pretty sure they are already minority as next census will confirm.

                        Pakistan have pretty good record of ethnic harmony overall. But we need to tacle islamism.

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                        • #13
                          Further dividing of provinces is merely cosmetic. The solution is based on how power is delegated. Structure is cosmetic like I said.

                          What I'm referring to is very simply based on ethno-linguistic lines. These are areas with Pashtun majority, KPK does not reflect the actual boundary accurately.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun View Post
                            Further dividing of provinces is merely cosmetic. The solution is based on how power is delegated. Structure is cosmetic like I said.

                            What I'm referring to is very simply based on ethno-linguistic lines. These are areas with Pashtun majority, KPK does not reflect the actual boundary accurately.
                            Yes this makes sense...also when someday you want independence IT Will be More smooth....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              OH Please, you already have enough of Indic lands, there is no way you will get more. You guys are people of central asia, if anything you guys should expand northwards in to the cold and arid central asia, not warm tropical south asia. Pathans are scared and heat and sun anyways, I have seen this in this Saudi Arabia. While Indian labors were working in the heat and sun, Pathan labors use to hide in shades like sissy's
                              East Pakistanis are have very large amount of west/sout central asian DNA....

                              Hence why east pakistanis looks like this:



                              And not like Indians:




                              Even Indians have 50-60% Southcentral Asian Blood.

                              In some remote areas of Rajasthan you Will even Find rare "Indians" like this:



                              Big time race mixings have been going on in South Asia since ancient times...i think the Aryan invasion of South Asia might likely be true and the caste system Indians Still practise to this Day is a Testamente of old Times when the Indo Aryans tried to keep their bloodline Pure...

                              Original people of South Asia looked like this South Indian Lady:



                              Compared with her even Aziz Ansari look like at least 40-50% South Central Asian
                              Last edited by Kabulistan; 12-03-2016, 07:57 AM.

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