Pakhtunkhwa has twice as many Pashtuns as Afghanistan

[khyaal]

Khyaal either way pashtun of afghanistan is majority we are not majority

Yeah, but this number game didn't help Eastern Bengalis in Pakistan who were 56 percent of the total population.

[khyaal]

we should do what bengalis did

Pakistan/Punjab has left us with no other option.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Pakistan/Punjab has left us with no other option.

The Pashtuns in occupied Pakhtunkhwa have to wake yp Khyaal. How are the people right now?

Unfortunately, this sort of enlightened thinking is now restricted to a select few in the ever-shrinking Pashtun intelligentsia. The rank and file only care about the price of flour. This is not an exaggeration or a sarcastic comment but a solid fact.

Lar ao bar Afghan was dealt a stinging blow just short of a complete defeat when the CIA, ISA and Mossad (the real axis of evil) collectively destroyed Afghanistan under the fall pretense of an Islam versus Kufr war. It goes against common sense, it seems, to join what is popularly perceived here as a 'war-torn pile of ruins'. I don't say this to cause offense to any Pashtun from the west of the Durrand, I'm just stating how things are viewed from this side regardless of what the actual truth may be. I have spoken personally to many Pashtun nationalists who don't even consider the option of reunification. In some cases, Pashtun "nationalists" here have hostility for the Pashtuns on the west of the Durrand.

Right now, it is the duty of this generation to help rebuild (physically, politically and above all, intellectually) FATA, Pashtunkhwa (north and south), Attock and Afghanistan so that the dream of lar ao bar Afghan and Pashtun reunification can be resurrected once more for our future generations.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Why do they have hostility and why dont they consider unification?

Hail and glory to thee, noble majesty.

They don't consider reunification primarily because Afghanistan, though prosperous in the past, has been reduced to rubble, at least according to what is believed here. Another reason is that even some Pashtun nationalists here have come to see themselves as "Pakistani Pashtuns" and don't see any real benefit in Pashtuns reforming boundary lines. Theirs is a watered down version of nationalism. I'm referring to today's ANP here. They realized that in order to counter the JUI/MMA, they must hold back on Socialism and nationalism and show their Islamic/Pakistani side. It worked, they got votes.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

But dont you think that is pathetic? If they dont care about us. I think its about time that we Afghans stop begging for unity.

But...but... I want to be united with you....

Like I said in my post on the previous page, now is not the time to talk about immediate reunification. It's highly impractical, temporarily speaking, given our current situation and it is not what the masses want right now. The ground realities, the presence of powerful agency-backed militias, the Islami-hamara-Pakistan crowd, the equation of (Pashtun) nationalism with kufr along with a host of other roadblocks stand in the way. To overcome them, we need education, awareness, enlightenment and indeed 'aliveness'. Then we can hope to stand united and ask for our right of self-determination as a nation of 40 million Pashtuns. Remember, opposition to lar ao bar Afghan comes primarily from the uneducated rural masses. This is something very important.


Watch this video from 6:30 till the end. He says it better than me:

YouTube - Pohand Seeb پوهاند جهانزیب نیاز لالا ( part 2/2 )

[BLS_1919v2.0]

But dont you think that is pathetic? If they dont care about us. I think its about time that we Afghans stop begging for unity.

Some don't care, and those some are as Lewanaye Zalmay stated watered down nationalists. It is mostly based on making it for themselves within the context of Pakistan. The problem with their underlying assumptions are not that they are not timely. The operations and talibanization have already hit Pashtunkhwa. Add on the damage of the floods, well Pashtunkhwa is basically slipping in to more backward areas. This alone would have to prompt them to move forward (atleast the ones smart enough). There is no point in staying on a sinking ship and Pakistan is that sinking ship.

[PFgulalai]

But...but... I want to be united with you....

Like I said in my post on the previous page, now is not the time to talk about immediate reunification. It's highly impractical, temporarily speaking, given our current situation and it is not what the masses want right now. The ground realities, the presence of powerful agency-backed militias, the Islami-hamara-Pakistan crowd, the equation of (Pashtun) nationalism with kufr along with a host of other roadblocks stand in the way. To overcome them, we need education, awareness, enlightenment and indeed 'aliveness'. Then we can hope to stand united and ask for our right of self-determination as a nation of 40 million Pashtuns. Remember, opposition to lar ao bar Afghan comes primarily from the uneducated rural masses. This is something very important.


Watch this video from 6:30 till the end. He says it better than me:

YouTube - Pohand Seeb پوهاند جهانزیب نیاز لالا ( part 2/2 )

A good realistic approach.But the problem is how are we going to achieve this? There are so many roadblocks: we don't trust the present Pashtun leadership on both sides of the Durand line for many obvious reasons; we might have to bear MMA again (the Mullah-military alliance) to fill the political void which is one of the most dreadful things (If not MMA, then PPP, PML-N which are no different); we have not still eradicated the menace of terrorism; the recent devastation of flood has damaged whatever was built by British colonists and Mughals; our children are without food and education and are readily available to be brutally exploited for vicious tasks; and we are calling for withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan when it is still not stable and the existence of Pakistan further threatens it.
Do we know what direction we want to embark as the present and future Pashtun generation while sitting far away from our native land?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

A good realistic approach.But the problem is how are we going to achieve this? There are so many roadblocks: we don't trust the present Pashtun leadership on both sides of the Durand line for many obvious reasons; we might have to bear MMA again (the Mullah-military alliance) to fill the political void which is one of the most dreadful things (If not MMA, then PPP, PML-N which are no different); we have not still eradicated the menace of terrorism; the recent devastation of flood has damaged whatever was built by British colonists and Mughals; our children are without food and education and are readily available to be brutally exploited for vicious tasks; and we are calling for withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan when it is still not stable and the existence of Pakistan further threatens it.
Do we know what direction we want to embark as the present and future Pashtun generation while sitting far away from our native land?

How DARE you question me in public?

You raise some very good points. I wish I had the answers, to be honest. How do we mobilize a broken people? Anyway, I have to go now but when I come back, I'll write more on this because a lot needs to be said.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

A good realistic approach.But the problem is how are we going to achieve this? There are so many roadblocks: we don't trust the present Pashtun leadership on both sides of the Durand line for many obvious reasons; we might have to bear MMA again (the Mullah-military alliance) to fill the political void which is one of the most dreadful things (If not MMA, then PPP, PML-N which are no different); we have not still eradicated the menace of terrorism; the recent devastation of flood has damaged whatever was built by British colonists and Mughals; our children are without food and education and are readily available to be brutally exploited for vicious tasks; and we are calling for withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan when it is still not stable and the existence of Pakistan further threatens it.
Do we know what direction we want to embark as the present and future Pashtun generation while sitting far away from our native land?

Fair points Gulalai, at the end of the day we don't have much of a choice and our society is at a brink. I mean put it this way, it is only the Pashtun/Afghan wathan on both sides that will accept one another...Panjab and Sindh are as far off from us as possible. In fact, Baloch have been wanting out, and our areas are nowhere close to eradicating these problems. We are unfortunately going to see an uglier face of it. Khudae dae khair kii nu. Either way we need to step out of the sinking ship.

[PFgulalai]

How DARE you question me in public?

Ooops!<100> lashes (depending upon your eskool of thought).There were some 50 questions but I, for the purpose of brevity, refrained from posting them. I am in no haste, I can wait...

[Darweshkhel]

Why it is in benefit of Pakistan to show falsely higher numbers of pashtuns in census?

I agree on the point that pashtuns are actually a lot more than 40% if proper census is carried out there but it is not greater than population of pashtuns in pakistan.

There are thousands of foreign jihadists in NWFP, FATA, etc. Many of them live there for decades now. They are classified as Pashtuns to keep them undercover.

FISHA wrora I agree with you wesh zalmya!

[khyaal]

Zalmiya and gulalai khore! The reason for the lack of enthusiasm is not because Afghanistan has become poorer or pashtun masses are uninterested but, as you have pointed out correctly, ANP (formerly NAP) leadership's retreat from its original agenda of working for the realization of Pakhtunistan or at least struggling for political autonomy inside Pakistan is the biggest reason of our seeming apathy.

It had to be ANP's leadership, the successors of great Bacha Khan and Samad Khan Shaheed, which would spread this message among the new generations, for after all masses without political guidance are just a herd or mob which can't do anything by itself as regards promoting certain political agenda. I don't know how far Wali Khan, the predecessor of ANP, was sincere with Pashtun nationalist cause back then but now the party is fully involved in power politics and is no longer a principled or ideological party, it has turned into just a pressure group which wants its share in parliamentary seats to enjoy a privileged status. This party is now dominated by a bunch of seasonal and opportunist and ignorant politicians having no affinity whatsoever with Pashtun cause.

They have even removed Pashtun nationalist issues from their manifesto and it claims to be a countrywide party, or its demands are mostly related to one province only. They don't assert any claim over Attock and Mianwali, which were merged into Punjab nor they have any demand for unification with Southern Pakhtunkhwa. Of course they are very active in making FATA (the seven Agencies) part of the province thus turning its status from a semi-autonomous region into a de jure Pakistani land.

According to ANP's manifesto it considers the people of Southern Pakhtunkhwa as Baloch, i.e., ANP accepts the (outrightly incorrect) official version of their ethnicity.

The second big reason is the extremely controlled Pakistani media which suppresses any dissident voice. Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, I believe, is the only party which is fully capable of bringing about a drastic change in this stagnant political atmosphere. It is evident from the party's manifesto which begins with a history of the three anglo-afghan wars and our unfortunate (forced) inclusion into Pakistan, a Punjab dominated false federation. That's why PkMAP has great attraction among all strata of Pashtun society.
But Pakistani media, from my own first hand experience (about which I'll tell you some time), has been strictly advised to suppress any important news coverage related to PkMAP. Pakistani media tries its best to push PkMAP's leadership into obscurity. Party news are either covertly been advised to be banned and censored or they get distorted if they ever get coverage in the public media. PkMAP has been virtually turned into an underground party in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, having over 20 million population, to stop its access to this larger section of Pashtun populace.

I believe that if ANP turns back to its genuine Pashtun nationalist agenda and join hands with PkMAP then we could turn the table on our opponents. Economic reasons don't count much since most of the Pashtun population is anyway living below the poverty line and a few Punjab co-opted Pashtuns could not make much difference.

[Nick]

Thanks Jasmine, I will take 2 more days cause I requested an article related to the subject above, and its not in my hands yet as soon as i have it, I will make my points clear with backup.