Afghanistan: Hezb-i-Islami armed group signs peace deal

[Firdousi]

Your thinking a strategy of having dogs come together will create peace. Your have been brainwashed by the people that you keep criticizing. This is how hegemonies control societies.

You guys need really to stop blaming the West for everything, grow some balls and take your responsibility for your own failures.

The only alternative to my strategy of "bringing all dogs together" is civil war. I mean a real ethnic and sectarian civil war. You tell me whats the best solution for the current stalemate in Afghanistan?

[khushal]

You guys need really to stop blaming the West for everything, grow some balls and take your responsibility for your own failures.

The only alternative to my strategy of "bringing all dogs together" is civil war. I mean a real ethnic and sectarian civil war. You tell me whats the best solution for the current stalemate in Afghanistan?

I just saw this response.

No one is blaming the West, we are blaming the dogs although the West has a hand in having the dogs in power. The real question is who is responsible for giving you these two unfavorable options?

[Firdousi]

I just saw this response.

No one is blaming the West, we are blaming the dogs although the West has a hand in having the dogs in power. The real question is who is responsible for giving you these two unfavorable options?

Circumstances I believe. USA had to work with local warlords or rely in Afghan-Americans with no ground support such as Karzai, Ghani, Jalali, Khalilzad or Atmar. I dont think it was just a matter of desire but rather a lack of real alternatives.

Afghans in the West believe warlords and Taliban dont represent Afghans but this just doesnt make any sense. Both are deeply rooted in the Afghan society.

Let me tell you my personal experience: I have been working with several "andjumans" in Europe who work hard to bring peace and stability to Afghansitan. Most of the members of these associations are bussinesmen, intellectuals, engineers, doctors, lawyers, university teachers and so on. After many years cooperatin with these people I gave up. Do you know why? Because its a waste of time. They cant do s hit. If you want to change things in Afghansitan you got to go there and be a MF. Our people have turned into animals and they only follow strong people, not educated people. So for now we are forced to go through this, but who knows what the future has in store.

[khushal]

Circumstances I believe. USA had to work with local warlords or rely in Afghan-Americans with no ground support such as Karzai, Ghani, Jalali, Khalilzad or Atmar. I dont think it was just a matter of desire but rather a lack of real alternatives.

Afghans in the West believe warlords and Taliban dont represent Afghans but this just doesnt make any sense. Both are deeply rooted in the Afghan society.

Why do Afghans in the West who ran away when shyt hit the fan believe they represent the Afghan society, what rights do they have in that society. Don't the Afghans who live their represent their own society. The problem isn't the warlords or Talibs(a narrative that Western Afghans push to convince Western public for intervention), the problem are the Western Afghans who manipulate outsiders so they can rule a society that wants nothing to do with them.

Let me tell you my personal experience: I have been working with several "andjumans" in Europe who work hard to bring peace and stability to Afghansitan. Most of the members of these associations are bussinesmen, intellectuals, engineers, doctors, lawyers, university teachers and so on. After many years cooperatin with these people I gave up. Do you know why? Because its a waste of time. They cant do s hit. If you want to change things in Afghansitan you got to go there and be a MF. Our people have turned into animals and they only follow strong people, not educated people. So for now we are forced to go through this, but who knows what the future has in store.

Isn't that what the mullahs were doing and isn't that why you criticize them? The mullahs didn't propel to leadership/ruler positions because the society didn't want them. They propelled because the society was starving for as you put it "strong ruthless MFs" that can actually put the animals/dogs that run around terrorizing the society in cages or under ground.

Putting dogs that hate each other in power and thinking that its better because the alternative is bloody is just wishful thinking. Your not preventing the alternative, your just delaying it.
The proof is Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen etc who also put animals/dogs in power and where did they end up?

[Firdousi]

Why do Afghans in the West who ran away when shyt hit the fan believe they represent the Afghan society, what rights do they have in that society. Don't the Afghans who live their represent their own society. The problem isn't the warlords or Talibs(a narrative that Western Afghans push to convince Western public for intervention), the problem are the Western Afghans who manipulate outsiders so they can rule a society that wants nothing to do with them.

Isn't that what the mullahs were doing and isn't that why you criticize them? The mullahs didn't propel to leadership/ruler positions because the society didn't want them. They propelled because the society was starving for as you put it "strong ruthless MFs" that can actually put the animals/dogs that run around terrorizing the society in cages or under ground.

Putting dogs that hate each other in power and thinking that its better because the alternative is bloody is just wishful thinking. Your not preventing the alternative, your just delaying it.
The proof is Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen etc who also put animals/dogs in power and where did they end up?

Because I didn't leave the country when the "shyt hit the fan". i was born in Afghanistan, was in Kabul during the civil war and the first years of Taliban rule. I also visite my country on a regular basis. I know much better than most of Afghans living in the West about the ground reality of Afghanistan.

Mullah dictatorship is gone for good. Mullahs have become a symbol in the Afghan society. Nobody takes them seriously anymore. Of course they still enjoy a lot of influence in many rural areas but its not like it used to be.

I dunno know what this so hard to understand. Both the Afghan government and the Taliban are an utter failure and will be forced to change in the medium and long term. It doesn't matter who wins, eventually they both will be losers.

I never said "putting dogs together" is a good way to solve Afghanistan´s problems. I claimed that the government of dogs is preferable over the rule of Pashtun tribal thugs. Most of non Pashtun Afghans agree on this.

I have always stated that there are several ways to end the current impasse:

1) Peace negation with the Taliban and obliteration of those who disagree on both sides.

2) All out war and victory of any of those sides.

3) Partition.

4) Wishful thinking: both the Taliban and the Government give up, join hands and all Afghans return to their country and build a nice country. Unlikely.

[khushal]

Because I didn't leave the country when the "shyt hit the fan". i was born in Afghanistan, was in Kabul during the civil war and the first years of Taliban rule. I also visite my country on a regular basis. I know much better than most of Afghans living in the West about the ground reality of Afghanistan.

Mullah dictatorship is gone for good. Mullahs have become a symbol in the Afghan society. Nobody takes them seriously anymore. Of course they still enjoy a lot of influence in many rural areas but its not like it used to be.

I dunno know what this so hard to understand. Both the Afghan government and the Taliban are an utter failure and will be forced to change in the medium and long term. It doesn't matter who wins, eventually they both will be losers.

I never said "putting dogs together" is a good way to solve Afghanistan´s problems. I claimed that the government of dogs is preferable over the rule of Pashtun tribal thugs. Most of non Pashtun Afghans agree on this.

It was not a personal attack so no need to defend yourself. The debate is about policy and ideology. What works and what does not.

I have always stated that there are several ways to end the current impasse:

1) Peace negation with the Taliban and obliteration of those who disagree on both sides.

This wont work because the Taliban is incapable of delivering peace. the problem in Afghanistan isn't the Taliban, it is the lawlessness/corruption which the Afghan gov is incapable of controlling since most of them are criminals themselves.

2) All out war and victory of any of those sides.

this is the most likely scenario, it is inevitable whether it is today or 20 years from now. Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya and more will join are examples.

3) Partition.

4) Wishful thinking: both the Taliban and the Government give up, join hands and all Afghans return to their country and build a nice country. Unlikely.

they are both wishful thinking