Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan

[Admin Khan]

The Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan should not feel alienated from one another. Long before there were countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan, Pashtuns resided in their heartlands, and have always traveled within the boundaries that represent modern day Pakistan and Afghanistan. First and foremost, we are Muslim, and should believe and strive towards an Ummah.

In particular, Paktiya should be as dear to a Pashtun of Swat, as Peshawar or any other location is. We are one ethnic group, and if a Pashtun who happens to reside in Pakistan, or Germany feels attached to their Pakistan, Afghan, or German nationality, that doesn't reduce, or diminish their Pashtunness.

I'd like to emphasize that we've united on language, culture, and common history; I know many Uzbeks that feel close ties with the Turks in Turkey, why can't Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand have the same affection for each other?

Pashtuns are native to what is now known as Pakistan. Pashtuns are also native to Afghanistan. For that reason alone, we should feel a close bond between these two countries. Sure, the political leadership, or foreign policy hasn't been at its best, but what we have to acknowledge is, these two nations are built on top of our homelands. If someone great comes out of Afghanistan or Pakistan, we Pashtuns should be glad and happy; these are countries where we are either the largest ethnic group, or the second largest ethnic group, respectively. We have ties and strong roots with these two modern day nations.

Please, the next time you attack or insult a Pashtun who maintains a different nationality than you, realize that you have more in common, and are only pushing them away from unity; this includes the Pashtuns of India who can't speak Pashto. Perhaps we can develop resources to help them get in touch with their past, if they are interested.

Best,

[Forreigner]

Sounds good in paper but unrealistic...specially when Pakistani government has imperiliastic ambitions towards Afghanistan...

I think Pashtun unity/nationalism kills any unity that may exist in Afghanistan, and remember even though Pakistan has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, Pakistan is an Indic nation, created solely for Indic Muslims of British Raj....it was not created for Pashtuns.

Pakistani Pashtuns should feel more for Afghanistan than Pakistan/Punjabistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Admin khana abad daway

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Sounds good in paper but unrealistic...specially when Pakistani government has imperiliastic ambitions towards Afghanistan...

I think Pashtun unity/nationalism kills any unity that may exist in Afghanistan, and remember even though Pakistan has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, Pakistan is an Indic nation, created solely for Indic Muslims of British Raj....it was not created for Pashtuns.

Pakistani Pashtuns should feel more for Afghanistan than Pakistan/Punjabistan.

rasha ka taoday gay?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan should not feel alienated from one another. Long before there were countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan, Pashtuns resided in their heartlands, and have always traveled within the boundaries that represent modern day Pakistan and Afghanistan. First and foremost, we are Muslim, and should believe and strive towards an Ummah.

In particular, Paktiya should be as dear to a Pashtun of Swat, as Peshawar or any other location is. We are one ethnic group, and if a Pashtun who happens to reside in Pakistan, or Germany feels attached to their Pakistan, Afghan, or German nationality, that doesn't reduce, or diminish their Pashtunness.

I'd like to emphasize that we've united on language, culture, and common history; I know many Uzbeks that feel close ties with the Turks in Turkey, why can't Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand have the same affection for each other?

Pashtuns are native to what is now known as Pakistan. Pashtuns are also native to Afghanistan. For that reason alone, we should feel a close bond between these two countries. Sure, the political leadership, or foreign policy hasn't been at its best, but what we have to acknowledge is, these two nations are built on top of our homelands. If someone great comes out of Afghanistan or Pakistan, we Pashtuns should be glad and happy; these are countries where we are either the largest ethnic group, or the second largest ethnic group, respectively. We have ties and strong roots with these two modern day nations.

Please, the next time you attack or insult a Pashtun who maintains a different nationality than you, realize that you have more in common, and are only pushing them away from unity; this includes the Pashtuns of India who can't speak Pashto. Perhaps we can develop resources to help them get in touch with their past, if they are interested.

Best,

Loyalty based on political, ideological, religious or tribal affiliations brings people together. Pashtuns are extremely diverse. We are not just divided into two or three separate nations. We have contrasting views, opinions, values and ideas. Just because we have a common culture, history and language we can't unite and overlook our political, ideological, religious and tribal issues.

The reason why people are hostile and intolerant to one another is because their belief system makes them to do so.

In order to unite Pashtuns, we need to have shared values, shared political and economical interests.

Some tribes consider themselves more entitled to power and wealth than others. Look at Afghan government. There are tribal rivalries among Pashtuns. Then there are secular nationalists and Islamists who oppose one another. The opposing groups must have some sort of common cause.

What we see on PF is a true reflection of our current state. The insults, constant bickering and childish behavior is what our leaders have taught us. The political and ideological leaders of Pashtuns across the board have propagated intolerance and disrespect for fellow Pashtuns.

Therefore, it is up to us to decide whether we want to be merely a product of a particular group or individuals with our own independent views and opinions.

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Sounds good in paper but unrealistic...specially when Pakistani government has imperiliastic ambitions towards Afghanistan...

I think Pashtun unity/nationalism kills any unity that may exist in Afghanistan, and remember even though Pakistan has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, Pakistan is an Indic nation, created solely for Indic Muslims of British Raj....it was not created for Pashtuns.

Pakistani Pashtuns should feel more for Afghanistan than Pakistan/Punjabistan.

Pakistan does not have any "imperialistic" ambitions towards Afghanistan. Why would we have "imperialistic" ambitions towards Afghanistan when we're trying to build a wall and keep a one-hand distance from the mess in Afghanistan.

Pakistan wasn't created for Indic people, it was created on the basis of Islam, geography and history/heritage. There is no such thing as "Indic" in our vocabulary. If you're referring to IVC then even Afghanistan was apart of it.

There are double the amount of Pashtuns in Karachi than there is in Kabul.
There are 3 times more Pashtuns in Punjab than there is in Afghanistan.

I don't know where you get this "Punjabi - Punjabi" drama from. There is NO such thing as a Punjabi. "Punjabi" is a language, nothing else. Punjab is a multi-ethnic region; with hundreds of different ethnicities and cultures. In Punjab you have Pashtuns, Jatts, Baluch, Kashmiri, Muhajir, Sheikh, Arain, Rajput, and ect....

Here in Pakistan, our ancestory and ethnicity can go to hell! Islam and Pakistan above all else, Allah hu Akbar.

This is a country of Islam, no one cares whether they are Pashtun, Kashmiri, Punjabi, Baluchi, Sindhi - at the end of the day we are Muslims and even united by culture, history, genetics and ect... We won't let some names tear us apart.

Pashtuns are more patriotic than any other ethnic group in Pakistan.

[khushal]

Pakis are the largest contributors of soldiers to UN missions. The paki generals receive money and send their soldiers as cannon fodder.

[khushal]

Loyalty based on political, ideological, religious or tribal affiliations brings people together. Pashtuns are extremely diverse. We are not just divided into two or three separate nations. We have contrasting views, opinions, values and ideas. Just because we have a common culture, history and language we can't unite and overlook our political, ideological, religious and tribal issues.

The reason why people are hostile and intolerant to one another is because their belief system makes them to do so.

In order to unite Pashtuns, we need to have shared values, shared political and economical interests.

Some tribes consider themselves more entitled to power and wealth than others. Look at Afghan government. There are tribal rivalries among Pashtuns. Then there are secular nationalists and Islamists who oppose one another. The opposing groups must have some sort of common cause.

What we see on PF is a true reflection of our current state. The insults, constant bickering and childish behavior is what our leaders have taught us. The political and ideological leaders of Pashtuns across the board have propagated intolerance and disrespect for fellow Pashtuns.

Therefore, it is up to us to decide whether we want to be merely a product of a particular group or individuals with our own independent views and opinions.

those are artificial leaders. Their only qualification is they have US$'s given to them.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakis are the largest contributors of soldiers to UN missions. The paki generals receive money and send their soldiers as cannon fodder.

Those under UN missions are paid many times more than what they are paid in Pakistan and those on foreign visits gets full points on annual performance report.

Well everyone include i will volunteer for it

[marwat]

Pakistan does not have any "imperialistic" ambitions towards Afghanistan. Why would we have "imperialistic" ambitions towards Afghanistan when we're trying to build a wall and keep a one-hand distance from the mess in Afghanistan.

Pakistan wasn't created for Indic people, it was created on the basis of Islam, geography and history/heritage. There is no such thing as "Indic" in our vocabulary. If you're referring to IVC then even Afghanistan was apart of it.

There are double the amount of Pashtuns in Karachi than there is in Kabul.
There are 3 times more Pashtuns in Punjab than there is in Afghanistan.

I don't know where you get this "Punjabi - Punjabi" drama from. There is NO such thing as a Punjabi. "Punjabi" is a language, nothing else. Punjab is a multi-ethnic region; with hundreds of different ethnicities and cultures. In Punjab you have Pashtuns, Jatts, Baluch, Kashmiri, Muhajir, Sheikh, Arain, Rajput, and ect....

Here in Pakistan, our ancestory and ethnicity can go to hell! Islam and Pakistan above all else, Allah hu Akbar.

This is a country of Islam, no one cares whether they are Pashtun, Kashmiri, Punjabi, Baluchi, Sindhi - at the end of the day we are Muslims and even united by culture, history, genetics and ect... We won't let some names tear us apart.

Pashtuns are more patriotic than any other ethnic group in Pakistan.

here comes another sheikhul hadeeth moulana bambor saib trying to sell us islamic chorn. idiot you sound like a pako nationalist instead of muslim nationlist which you are trying. pakistan is a kuffar country, would you explain to me as how a shia kafir quaidiazam and jummat full of qadiani and ismaili shia would vouch for a country based on islam?

[Elite Pakhtun]

I think Pashtun unity/nationalism kills any unity that may exist in Afghanistan

Racial supremacy in any mutli-racial country will "kill unity". Besides, have you seen some of the foorsis here? They think they're Iran's henchmen and that they're culturally superior. If anything Afghanistan needs more racial pride. At least Pakistan has seen Pakhtuns go from 8% of the population in 51 to 15.5% in 1998.

Pakistani Pashtuns should feel more for Afghanistan than Pakistan/Punjabistan.

But they don't live there, so it's hard to convince them. Logically it makes sense, but it's not so simple when you grow up somewhere and for the most part live with your kin.

[Samandri]

. At least Pakistan has seen Pakhtuns go from 8% of the population in 51 to 15.5% in 1998.



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Use your brain brother, in 1951 census the population of East Pakistan i.e Bangladesh was also included........Pashtuns did not breed and multiplied like rabbits between 1951 and 1998

[Elite Pakhtun]

Use your brain brother, in 1951 census the population of East Pakistan i.e Bangladesh was also included........Pashtuns did not breed and multiplied like rabbits between 1951 and 1998

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Oye kam akal saray, if the Bonglas were so included in the census, you would see their language/ethnic group in said documents. However, if you look at the demographics wikipedia page i.e. where I got the numbers from (and the official numbers too if Wiki isn't reliable enough for you) there is no mention of Bonglas. This is so basic.

It's 2016, but even if it was the 70s... adjusting the stats to remove the counting of Bangladeshis is very simple task. I know countries like India, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are a little comical when it comes to governance, but this is child's play. This could probably be done with a teet-teet wala calculator in the 1920s.

During the Mujahideen era soldier population was required. There was an ulterior motive associated with it. Taliban didn't fall from the sky, someone had to produce them. I suspect that contributed a fair amount, but this is speculation on my part.

As well, anyone who knows Pakistanis who are non-Pakhtun can gauge their reaction. I live in another country now, but I've met many Pakistanis. One includes someone I know very very well who lives in Karachi now. He himself tells me that he's seeing their population rise, and now they're "all over the place". He's saying things like now they're in Defense all over the place as well. He's not a Pakhtun at all... he's a sindhi mohajir mix.

In short: if you lived in Pakistan, casual observation can confirm the increase in presence. The stats are fine. Any adjustments that may have been needed have already taken place.

[Khostai]

Culture is not really the same, Pakis pashtuns act weird.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Culture is not really the same, Pakis pashtuns act weird.

lol "act weird". That's an incendiary comment, and I must be honest, I was contemplating replying in kind.

How do Pakistani Pakhtuns (i.e. Most of the Pakhtuns on planet Earth) "act weird"?