Even the female singer from Wazir tribe of Afghanistan, is Persianized

[Samandri]

Rukhsana belong to Wazir tribe of Birmal which is on Afghanistan side........she sang mostly in Dari in 1960s and 1970s , and only few of her songs are in Pashto......and as you can see in the following video, her Pashto is thickly accented with Dari like most of the other singers from Afghanistan, despite being a Wazir.....

Rukhshana ( tori stargi ) خانم رخشانه ، توری سترگی - YouTube

Why is that educated people in Afghanistan tend to develop strong Dari accent?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Maybe because I'm used to it; but where do you see her having a Farsi accent?

[Firdousi]

Rukhsana belong to Wazir tribe of Birmal which is on Afghanistan side........she sang mostly in Dari in 1960s and 1970s , and only few of her songs are in Pashto......and as you can see in the following video, her Pashto is thickly accented with Dari like most of the other singers from Afghanistan, despite being a Wazir.....

Rukhshana ( tori stargi ) خانم رخشانه ، توری سترگی - YouTube

Why is that educated people in Afghanistan tend to develop strong Dari accent?

Most of Pashtun singers in Afghnistan sing in Farsi: Ahmad Zahir, Nainawaaz, Farhad Darya,.. most of them prefer Farsi over Pashto. Even they Persianized their names.

[DaZahroJaam.]

What do you mean by "persianized"?? People in 60s and 70s were not so paranoid as to keep count of how many songs they sang in Pashto or Dari. They spoke both languages effortlessly and regardless of where they came from. Do you want a list of hazaras or non Pashto speaker singers with dozens of songs in Pashto?? There are dozens of them all over YouTube.

What do you mean by "persianized"?? The hairdo?? Have you not seen bakhtzamina with her fake bobhaircut wigs, singing in Pashto?? Is that what it all comes down to?? A haircut??

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

She says zema yadegi. Not zma yadegi. Tajiks can't pronounce zma. They say Zema.

There are many formuli Farsi speaking people in Birmal, Orgun and Gardez. Just because she is from those places, it doesn't mean she is Pashtana. Besides, she spent all her life in Kabul

[Samandri]

What do you mean by "persianized"?? People in 60s and 70s were not so paranoid as to keep count of how many songs they sang in Pashto or Dari. They spoke both languages effortlessly and regardless of where they came from. Do you want a list of hazaras or non Pashto speaker singers with dozens of songs in Pashto?? There are dozens of them all over YouTube.

What do you mean by "persianized"?? The hairdo?? Have you not seen bakhtzamina with her fake bobhaircut wigs, singing in Pashto?? Is that what it all comes down to?? A haircut??

I am talking about accent........if some one is not paying attention, her Pashto song could be mistaken to be in Dari at first instance......

Ashraf Ghani also speaks Pashto in Dari accent..............while many Afghans that i have come across here in Pakistan, do not have this thick Dari accent.........is it the educated ones or urbanized ones in Afghanistan who develop this accent?....

Many educated Pashtuns in Pakistan, who speak fluent Urdu, also tend to develop habit of speaking Pashto in Urdu accent instead of typical Pashto accent.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I am talking about accent........if some one is not paying attention, her Pashto song could be mistaken to be in Dari at first instance......

Ashraf Ghani also speaks Pashto in Dari accent..............while many Afghans that i have come across here in Pakistan, do not have this thick Dari accent.........is it the educated ones or urbanized ones in Afghanistan who develop this accent?....

Many educated Pashtuns in Pakistan, who speak fluent Urdu, also tend to develop habit of speaking Pashto in Urdu accent instead of typical Pashto accent.

Ashraf Ghani is from Kabul. His parents are from Logar but even they have spent all their life in Kabul.

Ashraf Ghani speaks Pashto in typical Kabuli accent of persianized Pashtuns. But he still uses typical Logari Pashto way of pronouncing certain things. For instance, he doesn't say zemog or demog but emog.

[Firdousi]

I am talking about accent........if some one is not paying attention, her Pashto song could be mistaken to be in Dari at first instance......

Ashraf Ghani also speaks Pashto in Dari accent..............while many Afghans that i have come across here in Pakistan, do not have this thick Dari accent.........is it the educated ones or urbanized ones in Afghanistan who develop this accent?....

Many educated Pashtuns in Pakistan, who speak fluent Urdu, also tend to develop habit of speaking Pashto in Urdu accent instead of typical Pashto accent.

By default vast majority of Pashtuns living in the north and west Afghanistan are Persianspeakers. Their first language is Farsi. Also most of educated Pashtuns tend to speak Farsi over Pashto. I know plenty of Persianspeaker Pashtuns who look down on tribal Pashtuns and their "dagha pagah" language. Weird.

There is this thing that most of Pashtuns speak Farsi while very few Tajiks speak Pashto. And also accent depends on where you were born (regardless your ethnic background). Do you know Ayatollah Mohseni? He is a Tajik from Kandahar and the way he speaks Farsi is with that Kandahari accent. Check this out

sokhanrani ayatollah mohseni salgard shahid Moshtaq .flv - YouTube

[DaZahroJaam.]

I am talking about accent........if some one is not paying attention, her Pashto song could be mistaken to be in Dari at first instance......

Ashraf Ghani also speaks Pashto in Dari accent..............while many Afghans that i have come across here in Pakistan, do not have this thick Dari accent.........is it the educated ones or urbanized ones in Afghanistan who develop this accent?....

Many educated Pashtuns in Pakistan, who speak fluent Urdu, also tend to develop habit of speaking Pashto in Urdu accent instead of typical Pashto accent.

you live somewhere, you develop an accent, what is the big deal?? if you can't understand her as singing in pashto then you have a hearing problem similar to what you refer to as her speech problem which makes her "persianized". if the way she sings in a problem then the way you hear is a problem called ignorance. socialize with people of different backgrounds and your hearing or speaking problems will be solved in no time. you will recognize all sorts of dialects or accents.

[khushal]

I am talking about accent........if some one is not paying attention, her Pashto song could be mistaken to be in Dari at first instance......

Ashraf Ghani also speaks Pashto in Dari accent..............while many Afghans that i have come across here in Pakistan, do not have this thick Dari accent.........is it the educated ones or urbanized ones in Afghanistan who develop this accent?....

Many educated Pashtuns in Pakistan, who speak fluent Urdu, also tend to develop habit of speaking Pashto in Urdu accent instead of typical Pashto accent.

Its not about education. Its about where the person grew up, who they associate with the most and their families. I have relatives that have married Tajik women and the ones that live in farsi areas have kids that speak farsi and very little pashto or persianized pashto and the ones who live in pashtun areas speak pashto fluently. The Tajik women that live in pashtun areas have learnt pashto since it is necessary to communicate with the people in the area where a tajik women who live in a farsi area does not have to since it is not necessary so those women tend to talk with their kids in farsi and the childs first language becomes farsi since the mother is with the child almost exclusively at the beginning and that child will develop and accent.
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[Elite Pakhtun]

You're right, she does have a darri accent. However, she's understandable, so it's not a big deal in my opinion. I've met a few Afghans in Pakistan with that accent. I personally prefer the dialect I grew up with, but it's a subjective matter.

I think by far the northern accent and dialect is the most superior. Even the southern dialect where for example they say "sha" instead of "kha" (Za kha yam), and generally replace a lot of words with "sh" instead of "kh" sounds worse. Any time I'm out and speaking with someone in North America about my background, if ever I say a sentence in Pashto to demonstrate, it never ceases to impress. It sounds aggressive, and certainly appealing.

I'm not a fan of what foorsi sounds like (I can't speak it,probably not learn it either). I'm reminded of french when I hear it for some reason. No idea why. Some people say it's because they both sound gay.

[Samandri]

You're right, she does have a darri accent. However, she's understandable, so it's not a big deal in my opinion. I've met a few Afghans in Pakistan with that accent. I personally prefer the dialect I grew up with, but it's a subjective matter.

I think by far the northern accent and dialect is the most superior. Even the southern dialect where for example they say "sha" instead of "kha" (Za kha yam), and generally replace a lot of words with "sh" instead of "kh" sounds worse. Any time I'm out and speaking with someone in North America about my background, if ever I say a sentence in Pashto to demonstrate, it never ceases to impress. It sounds aggressive, and certainly appealing.

I'm not a fan of what foorsi sounds like (I can't speak it,probably not learn it either). I'm reminded of french when I hear it for some reason. No idea why. Some people say it's because they both sound gay.

I am not talking about dialect, but accent.....Sheen and Kheen variants are dialects. And i am not declaring Farsi accented Pashto to be "worst", i was just wondering why a lady from Birmal (adjacent to South Waziristan) has Dari accent. Shamlawar has pretty much solved my puzzle....

Now lets come to your moronic statement.........Its not the Soft or classical Pashto speakers who replace Kheen with Sheen but its actually the opposite. Kheen or hard dialect is not original Pashto, its dialectal modification or corruption of Soft variant of Pashto.....Original "badshah" , loan word from farsi, is converted/corrupted into "bacha" by hard dialect. Shad or Shadi of farsi is corrupted into "Khad" or "Khadi" respectively. Original Jangal (forest) is corrupted into zangal. 'Chadar' is corrupted into 'tsadar'. Hoshiyaar is corrupted into 'Hokhiyar'. etc

The Pashtuns of entire upper KPK and upper FATA, are Khashis and Ghoria Khels and they have migrated from Kandahar, they were originally speaking sheen Pashto...... Original works of Akhund Darweza, Pir Roshan and Khushal Khan Khattak are in Sheen/soft Pashto. Superior zoya, every dialect is respectable and interesting....dont use words like "worst" for it, appreciate the richness and diversity of dialects in our language.

[Elite Pakhtun]

I am not talking about dialect, but accent.....Sheen and Kheen variants are dialects. And i am not declaring Farsi accented Pashto to be "worst", i was just wondering why a lady from Birmal (adjacent to South Waziristan) has Dari accent. Shamlawar has pretty much solved my puzzle....

Yes, I know that. I just segwayed into a different topic because accents reminded me of dialects. In hind sight it should've been a separate paragraph, so woops on that.

Now lets come to your moronic statement.........Its not the Soft or classical Pashto speakers who replace Kheen with Sheen but its actually the opposite. Kheen or hard dialect is not original Pashto, its dialectal modification or corruption of Soft variant of Pashto.....Original "badshah" , loan word from farsi, is converted/corrupted into "bacha" by hard dialect. Shad or Shadi of farsi is corrupted into "Khad" or "Khadi" respectively. Original Jangal (forest) is corrupted into zangal. 'Chadar' is corrupted into 'tsadar'. Hoshiyaar is corrupted into 'Hokhiyar'. etc

The Pashtuns of entire upper KPK and upper FATA, are Khashis and Ghoria Khels and they have migrated from Kandahar, they were originally speaking sheen Pashto...... Original works of Akhund Darweza, Pir Roshan and Khushal Khan Khattak are in Sheen/soft Pashto.

There's a lot of material in this site, and to be honest I certainly haven't gone through all of it.. but I do recall reading a thread where 2 people disagreeing on this point. The point someone else made is the soft dialect sounds very similar to farsi, and it's very plausible that the proximity to Iran and possible Iranian influence there had an impact. The hard dialect has no neighbor directly to be influenced by. No one in that area speaks a language that sounds any way similar. There were other points as well... I lost the thread, if you know which one I'm talking about, please link it.

Superior zoya, every dialect is respectable and interesting....dont use words like "worst" for it, appreciate the richness and diversity of dialects in our language.

I didn't use the word worst/worse. I said I prefer the northern dialect more, and then I said foorsi doesn't sound good. I said nothing negative about the Southern dialect. It's a good dialect. I do appreciate all dialects, but I do think the "kheen" dialect is more unique and certainly sounds better. It sounds more aggressive and less pretentious. I also said it's subjective, which it is.

Also, because certain users here love their foorsi and enjoy talking down to us, it felt right to make a jab... it just felt right.

Eid Mubarak.

[khushal]

According to linguists, the "sh" pashto predates the" kh" pashto.

[Elite Pakhtun]

According to linguists, the "sh" pashto predates the" kh" pashto.

While I'm sure you're very trustworthy, you need to cite your claims.