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  • Why is persecution of Pashtun in Northern Afghanistan underreported in the media?

    From Baghlan all the way to border of Turkmenistan, there are numerous pockets of Pashtun settlements in Afghanistan. These Pashtuns occupy some districts and regions in predominantly Tajik, Uzbek en Aymaq areas.

    Since the start of the National Unity Government of Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah, Pashtuns have turned into targets of armed forces dominated by former Northern alliance commanders.

    Men are being summarily executed, imprisoned or tortured. Their possessions are taken from them and they are regularly stopped and harassed. Some of them have lost their homes and properties. Even women and children are targeted by the armed forces.

    This ongoing violence is forcing Pashtuns to either leave their homes or join the Taliban to take revenge and fight back.

    The situation is further increasing instability and internal hostilities among people. The sitting government isn't doing anything to stop this and the media is therefore uninterested in reporting it.

    What could be the reason for this?
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    This is a very good issue to address and something I'm deeply concerned about. Since I have relatives that work in those areas.

    Reasons? I think it's a complex scenario io balancing different power spheres. Not necessarily to save the politician's hide, but prevent another all out civil war.
    Last edited by Iblis_Efreetzai; 09-10-2016, 10:10 PM.

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
      From Baghlan all the way to border of Turkmenistan, there are numerous pockets of Pashtun settlements in Afghanistan. These Pashtuns occupy some districts and regions in predominantly Tajik, Uzbek en Aymaq areas.

      Since the start of the National Unity Government of Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah, Pashtuns have turned into targets of armed forces dominated by former Northern alliance commanders.

      Men are being summarily executed, imprisoned or tortured. Their possessions are taken from them and they are regularly stopped and harassed. Some of them have lost their homes and properties. Even women and children are targeted by the armed forces.

      This ongoing violence is forcing Pashtuns to either leave their homes or join the Taliban to take revenge and fight back.

      The situation is further increasing instability and internal hostilities among people. The sitting government isn't doing anything to stop this and the media is therefore uninterested in reporting it.

      What could be the reason for this?
      Indeed many crime have been committed against Pashtuns but you are being kinda biased here now. Pashtuns have been a trouble in the north and west Afghanistan for a long time now. Most of Pashtun pockets in those areas have always been a trouble. Most of Badghis is ok except Murghab. Most of Balkh is doing well except Chahar Bolak. Most of Herat is improving except Shindand, Adraskan, Pashtun Zarghoon and those places near to the Turkeman and Iranian borders (Toorghwondi and Islam Qala) and so on. Wherever Pashtuns live there is terrorism and drugs.

      Pashtuns have always been a trouble. Thats the main reason several Pashtun rulers forced them to settle in non Pashtun areas: 1) to protect the borders. 2) to attack non pashtuns in case of war. Instead blaming Tajiks for it you guys should do some introspection and ask yourselves why every single ethnicity in pakistan and Afghnistan hates you.
      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

      -Ferdowsi.

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      • #4
        Basically the non-Pashtun population venting their frustration (been sexually abused from birth) on Pashtuns. The only motive behind these attacks is racism and discrimination against Pashtuns. And us Pashtuns are willingly ignoring this and brushing it under the carpet under the idea of "peace and brotherhood" with all the ethnicities in Afghanistan.

        Frankly, this issue has to be brought up. There is no reason for a Pashtun to feel oppressed in his own land.
        "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          From Baghlan all the way to border of Turkmenistan, there are numerous pockets of Pashtun settlements in Afghanistan. These Pashtuns occupy some districts and regions in predominantly Tajik, Uzbek en Aymaq areas.

          Since the start of the National Unity Government of Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah, Pashtuns have turned into targets of armed forces dominated by former Northern alliance commanders.

          Men are being summarily executed, imprisoned or tortured. Their possessions are taken from them and they are regularly stopped and harassed. Some of them have lost their homes and properties. Even women and children are targeted by the armed forces.

          This ongoing violence is forcing Pashtuns to either leave their homes or join the Taliban to take revenge and fight back.

          The situation is further increasing instability and internal hostilities among people. The sitting government isn't doing anything to stop this and the media is therefore uninterested in reporting it.

          What could be the reason for this?
          The sitting gov is unable to do anything about it. The gov relies on warlords outside the capital city and it is the warlords in the north trying to "cleanse" the north of pashtuns.
          The media wont report it because putting this information out there would strengthen the Taliban and weaken the gov or gov allies aka warlords.

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          • #6
            Tajiks being fascist like always, it would surprise me if those flat heads did nothing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
              Indeed many crime have been committed against Pashtuns but you are being kinda biased here now. Pashtuns have been a trouble in the north and west Afghanistan for a long time now. Most of Pashtun pockets in those areas have always been a trouble. Most of Badghis is ok except Murghab. Most of Balkh is doing well except Chahar Bolak. Most of Herat is improving except Shindand, Adraskan, Pashtun Zarghoon and those places near to the Turkeman and Iranian borders (Toorghwondi and Islam Qala) and so on. Wherever Pashtuns live there is terrorism and drugs.

              Pashtuns have always been a trouble. Thats the main reason several Pashtun rulers forced them to settle in non Pashtun areas: 1) to protect the borders. 2) to attack non pashtuns in case of war. Instead blaming Tajiks for it you guys should do some introspection and ask yourselves why every single ethnicity in pakistan and Afghnistan hates you.
              Not true.....these Pashtuns were settled in Shumal to defend the frontier from Turkoman raids from across the border. Turkoman raids, inter-wars, famine and cholera epidemic had depopulated the North

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              • #8
                There is some truth to it but its mostly because some Pashtuns supported the Taliban in the North when they came into power. Even non Pashtuns who supported Talibs were persecuted. Pashtuns who were neutral or allied to Northern Alliance were treated well. Its more about which gang you support rather than ethnicity although ethnicity can play a role sometimes. I know a dew Safi and Jabarkhel families who own plenty of land in Balkh and are bilingual in farsi/pashto and nothing happened to them because they stayed neautral during the Talib rule so their lands were untouched and nobody got prosecuted. On the otherhand there was a tribe of Pashtun from Samangan who welcomed the Talibs and took Uzbek land by force so they were punished after Talibs left by the Uzbeks. Atta Mohammed Noor's mother is a habibkhel Pashtun and so is his wife and I personally know many Pashtuns who are close to him and Atta has helped them in regards to safegaurding their property and wealth.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                  There is some truth to it but its mostly because some Pashtuns supported the Taliban in the North when they came into power. Even non Pashtuns who supported Talibs were persecuted. Pashtuns who were neutral or allied to Northern Alliance were treated well. Its more about which gang you support rather than ethnicity although ethnicity can play a role sometimes. I know a dew Safi and Jabarkhel families who own plenty of land in Balkh and are bilingual in farsi/pashto and nothing happened to them because they stayed neautral during the Talib rule so their lands were untouched and nobody got prosecuted. On the otherhand there was a tribe of Pashtun from Samangan who welcomed the Talibs and took Uzbek land by force so they were punished after Talibs left by the Uzbeks. Atta Mohammed Noor's mother is a habibkhel Pashtun and so is his wife and I personally know many Pashtuns who are close to him and Atta has helped them in regards to safegaurding their property and wealth.
                  We aren't talking about 2001 or Atta Noor. It's about what is going on right now. Vice President Dostum is commuting genocide. Even some international human rights organizations have reported this.

                  Besides, what you are saying is bs. Before Taliban the Pashtuns in the north were victims of other militant groups. They didn't invite the wrath of Northen Alliance on themselves by supporting Taliban. M
                  You need to know the history before 1996.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Human rights watch report about crimes committed by Ghanis right hand man Afghanistan: Forces Linked to Vice President Terrorize Villagers | Human Rights Watch
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
                    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                      Indeed many crime have been committed against Pashtuns but you are being kinda biased here now. Pashtuns have been a trouble in the north and west Afghanistan for a long time now. Most of Pashtun pockets in those areas have always been a trouble. Most of Badghis is ok except Murghab. Most of Balkh is doing well except Chahar Bolak. Most of Herat is improving except Shindand, Adraskan, Pashtun Zarghoon and those places near to the Turkeman and Iranian borders (Toorghwondi and Islam Qala) and so on. Wherever Pashtuns live there is terrorism and drugs.

                      Pashtuns have always been a trouble. Thats the main reason several Pashtun rulers forced them to settle in non Pashtun areas: 1) to protect the borders. 2) to attack non pashtuns in case of war. Instead blaming Tajiks for it you guys should do some introspection and ask yourselves why every single ethnicity in pakistan and Afghnistan hates you.

                      Tajiks committed crimes during Massouds era in Kabul. If we use your retarded and moronic reasoning we could say that killing of Tajiks in Shamali and taking their wives as slaves and selling them to Arabs is therefore justified because, well... Tajiks have caused problems in the south.
                      Originally posted by Firdousi
                      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        Tajiks committed crimes during Massouds era in Kabul. If we use your retarded and moronic reasoning we could say that killing of Tajiks in Shamali and taking their wives as slaves and selling them to Arabs is therefore justified because, well... Tajiks have caused problems in the south.
                        Take it easy. There is no need to get personal.

                        Massoud and Tajiks committed horrible crimes against Non Tajiks (and even against Tajiks themxelves) during the Civil War.. but thats the thing, dude: IT WAS A WAR. People tend to be violent during wars. I have never seen Tajiks committing massive crimes against Pashtuns during peace time. Never seen Tajiks butchering Pashtuns in the south. But you see, Pashtuns have done that several times. I don't see Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Punjabis, Iranians,.. killing each other. Its only you Pashtuns.

                        Dont blame it on us. Its your own fault. You are your own worst enemies. Those who have committed the worst and most disgusting crimes on Pashtuns are Pashtuns themselves. Still I believe that crimes against Pashtuns in the north and west are disgusting. But dude its a war: if Pashtuns don't want to be butchered they should stop supporting Taliban. What do you expect us to do? What would you do in our situation?
                        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                        -Ferdowsi.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          From Baghlan all the way to border of Turkmenistan, there are numerous pockets of Pashtun settlements in Afghanistan. These Pashtuns occupy some districts and regions in predominantly Tajik, Uzbek en Aymaq areas.

                          Since the start of the National Unity Government of Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah, Pashtuns have turned into targets of armed forces dominated by former Northern alliance commanders.

                          Men are being summarily executed, imprisoned or tortured. Their possessions are taken from them and they are regularly stopped and harassed. Some of them have lost their homes and properties. Even women and children are targeted by the armed forces.

                          This ongoing violence is forcing Pashtuns to either leave their homes or join the Taliban to take revenge and fight back.

                          The situation is further increasing instability and internal hostilities among people. The sitting government isn't doing anything to stop this and the media is therefore uninterested in reporting it.

                          What could be the reason for this?

                          There are 100000 northern Pashtun refugees living in Kandhar and Herat alone....Pashtun leaders has failed us big time...grand son of Haji Mahro jan de khar zoy and son of Lewaani Shahjan Ghani. On other hand we have dogs and hounds of Porkis in shape of Taliban, Gulbodin and Haqqani.
                          On positive side....hardship will make us wise and united eventually!
                          ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                          نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                          چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                          نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                          سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                          بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                          چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                          يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                          سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                          په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                          ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                          اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                            Take it easy. There is no need to get personal.

                            Massoud and Tajiks committed horrible crimes against Non Tajiks (and even against Tajiks themxelves) during the Civil War.. but thats the thing, dude: IT WAS A WAR. People tend to be violent during wars. I have never seen Tajiks committing massive crimes against Pashtuns during peace time. Never seen Tajiks butchering Pashtuns in the south. But you see, Pashtuns have done that several times. I don't see Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Punjabis, Iranians,.. killing each other. Its only you Pashtuns.

                            Dont blame it on us. Its your own fault. You are your own worst enemies. Those who have committed the worst and most disgusting crimes on Pashtuns are Pashtuns themselves. Still I believe that crimes against Pashtuns in the north and west are disgusting. But dude its a war: if Pashtuns don't want to be butchered they should stop supporting Taliban. What do you expect us to do? What would you do in our situation?
                            You said nothing new. The support for the Taliban is a reaction to your warlord atrocities. Besides your whole narrative is wrong. The warlord atrocities is fueled by greed. They want to kick out pashtuns and grab their land.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                              There are 100000 northern Pashtun refugees living in Kandhar and Herat alone....Pashtun leaders has failed us big time...grand son of Haji Mahro jan de khar zoy and son of Lewaani Shahjan Ghani. On other hand we have dogs and hounds of Porkis in shape of Taliban, Gulbodin and Haqqani.
                              On positive side....hardship will make us wise and united eventually!
                              If your talking about Ghani and Karzai. They are not pashtun leaders, they are installed puppets who sell their people.

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