Anyone who makes a thread or posts anything about race & skin color is...

[Karachi]

I don't care what you want lol....thats my point, you guys can keep wanting the Jennifers of the world .

That is pathetic that you see 'white chicks' as an accomplishment LMAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

better then a goat or a old mullah as a accomplishment

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

better then a goat or a old mullah as a accomplishment

Considering no one here except you has claimed an "old Mullah" as an accomplishment; it;'s safe to say this is one of your deflection tactics. Grow a back bone.

[Loy Afghanistan]

So you admit that you are an inbred.

That was your Tazi answer to my comment. Tazis sure are a disease that came in 700-900 AD and spread to our noble lands with their british-punjabo-turk-mongol friends. :/

My Pashtun family, do you know how beutiful and united our land would be today if our ancestors just would not be so merciful to the invading parasites?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There were no British or Mongols when Arabs came to the reason. Stop making things up. Ghilzai Pashtuns are descended from Turks, and Sadozai rulers became British stooges. So our region would have ended up the same either way.

[Aryana]

There were no British or Mongols when Arabs came to the reason. Stop making things up. Ghilzai Pashtuns are descended from Turks, and Sadozai rulers became British stooges. So our region would have ended up the same either way.

How tf are they descended from Turks?

[Firdousi]

How tf are they descended from Turks?

Ghilzai were originally Khilij people. Yes, the largest Pashtun tribe is Turkic-Mongoloide. You ignore this because you are an uneducated ignorant. Guess you are a victim of the taliban policy of burning down schools lmao

[Aryana]

Ghilzai were originally Khilij people. Yes, the largest Pashtun tribe is Turkic-Mongoloide. You ignore this because you are an uneducated ignorant. Guess you are a victim of the taliban policy of burning down schools lmao

Khiljis themselves were turkified Pashtuns, you pathetic bacha baz.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

How tf are they descended from Turks?

Well as others have said the Ghilzai originate from the Khaladj, but what evidence suggests is they were a unification of Turko-Mongolian tribes and Nomadic Indo-Aryan Tribes and adopted Turkic language before they settled in Afghanistan. They may have originated as people related to Scythians. but there's strong evidence to suggest a Turanid connection.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Khiljis themselves were turkified Pashtuns, you pathetic bacha baz.

Well there's no evidence that they spoke Pashto prior to the 10th century. So perhaps it's more accurate to say Pashtunized Turks.

I'm a Hotak Ghilzai and while most Hotaks look more Indo-Iranian or Near Eastern. Kharotis who are also Ghilzai often look very Turanid.

[Aryana]

Well as others have said the Ghilzai originate from the Khaladj, but what evidence suggests is they were a unification of Turko-Mongolian tribes and Nomadic Indo-Aryan Tribes and adopted Turkic language before they settled in Afghanistan. They may have originated as people related to Scythians. but there's strong evidence to suggest a Turanid connection.

Hard to say that. Most Ghilzais (including myself) don't look very Turkic at all. The Ghilzais were probably a bunch of Turkified Pashtuns (I.e. During the Ghaznavid era) who were then later Pashtunized again.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Hard to say that. Most Ghilzais (including myself) don't look very Turkic at all. The Ghilzais were probably a bunch of Turkified Pashtuns (I.e. During the Ghaznavid era) who were then later Pashtunized again.

Well there's a high incidence of Turanid traits among Ghilzais. High Cheek Bones, pronounced jawlines. Especially from where my dad's from, Ghazni-Wardak.

But the problem I have with your argument is we don't have any medieval remnants of Pashto to make that suggestion that Pashtuns were an identifiable ethnicity.

also my tribe is Hotak, but there's no meaning of the word Hotak in Pashto, same with Kharoti, Taraki and Andar. Interestingly there is a Turkish last name Hotak. I'm not sure if it's actually Afghans who may have migrated to Turkey, but they have Turkish first names. I also don't want to jump to conclusions based on similar sounding words. My point was there are hunches that point to a Turkic relationship if not origin to Ghilzais.

Even Najibullah looked rather Turanid.

[Aryana]

Well there's a high incidence of Turanid traits among Ghilzais. High Cheek Bones, pronounced jawlines. Especially from where my dad's from, Ghazni-Wardak.

But the problem I have with your argument is we don't have any medieval remnants of Pashto to make that suggestion that Pashtuns were an identifiable ethnicity.

also my tribe is Hotak, but there's no meaning of the word Hotak in Pashto, same with Kharoti, Taraki and Andar. Interestingly there is a Turkish last name Hotak. I'm not sure if it's actually Afghans who may have migrated to Turkey, but they have Turkish first names. I also don't want to jump to conclusions based on similar sounding words. My point was there are hunches that point to a Turkic relationship if not origin to Ghilzais.

Even Najibullah looked rather Turanid.

Pashtuns themselves are a mixture of many Eastern Iranic tribes (Scythians, Kushans, etc). This, and the development of Pashto, might've occurred after the rule of these successive Eastern Iranic empires.

"Hotak" and other names as such might be a remnant of this Turkification period, and all the Turkic influence on looks are probably long gone (from mixing with other Pashtuns).