is there a divide between Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns?

[Golden]

Golden peace of dung is laying, as karachi have clearly pointed out, afghan refugee don't live in punjab other than pindi, lahore, islamabad and some in faisalabad. what would they do in rural punjab lol, farming? punjabo itself starving in villages and recently they have flooded our areas where they sell ice cream (salary 3.5$ a day), desi ghee and religious books. i have asked them numerous times about the living condition of people living there where he came from,according to them rural areas of KP have 10 times more quality living then those of punjab. punjabi are farmers but they are not land owners.
naturally refugee all over the world prefer to live in big cities for better opportunities where they can live in communities, can watch back each other. i lived in di khan , lakki marwat and abbottabad, and there is not a single afghan refugee family i came to know who lived in rural areas. even in cities after three decade they do not mix with local pashtun, you will not see them sitting with locals at chai hotels, i have not witnessed a single marriage between locals and refugees.
rest the case of afghan refugee selling their daughter to punjabi peasant, a punjabi peasant can't even afford an extra tomatoes for a meal

Keep living in delusions, North cental punjab rural areas are most industrialised and richest in in Pakistan. If punjabis are not land owners then who does own these lands? Your father? Laki Marwat should be compared with poorest districts of South West Punjab like DG Khan, Rajanpur Bhakkar aka Seraki areas.



I'm not lying about marriages, afghans know it. Ask any afghan from central punjab rural areas he will tell you how common it is. Not saying there are no poor people in north central punjab rural areas, many are but they move to cities because afghans have left no jobs for kammi people by undercutting and doing same thing for much less. Pakistan isn't europe, here refugees have to earn to live and they do all type of work from collecting garbage to working for land owners in rural areas. They all can't get work in cities because first you need education and then be Pakistani to work in private or government sector.

Poor people will breath sign of relief once afghans go back, they will finally get payed properly. They can also take over illegal shops and properties of afghans by next year.

Read this, Kotla small town out of no where. Now afghans are moving out of cities to small towns because they are less likely to get harassed and asked to leave by police because they pretend to be Paki pathans but many don't even have identity cards. But I'm afraid this is temporary, they will have to go back by next year.

Kotla Arab Ali Khan News: Illegal Afghan Immigrants In Kotla Kharian Gujrat کوٹلہ ارب علی خان و گردو نواح میں غیر قانونی افغانیوں نے ڈیرے ڈال لئے،اہلیان علاقہ کا ڈی پی او گجرات ،ایس ایچ او تھانہ ککرالی سے کارروائی کا مطالبہ - February 2 216

What do you have to prove anything? Nothing apart from lies without any proof what so ever. Not even news link.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I have met some pakistani pashtuns here who dont even like Afghan pashtuns for example, population in desi? and not with their own people across the border?

There are so many questions

Some of those "Pashtuns" are actually Pashtunized Hindkowans. Some of them are severely indoctrinated by nationalistic brainwashing.. But I have found most Pakistani Pashtuns consider themselves Afghans, whether by origins and/or patriotism.

I remember I was at a restaurant and the manager there was from Swat. When I heard him speak Pashto on the phone to someone, I said, da kom zai ye? and he realized I was Afghan and said he was also Afghan, but from Swat.

I feel your thread is to agitate a divide. And Pseudo-Pashtuns/Wannabes like AFB will jump on it and comment like they have a clue.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

do you have proof of this???

There are some Afghans who'll marry their daughters to Punjabis, I mean it does happen. But the level or frequency is very low. Golden just makes up a narrative to help him sleep better at night

he also copies my "sleep better at night" remark because he's been lying awake thinking about stuff I wrote on the forum. LOL

[Shapur]

Your assessment is wrong, I do not rely I on google books, I have family, in laws, and friend to all help my assessments so dont make baseless assumptions. Your allegiance to Afghanistan does play a huge role to your Pashtuness because Afghanistan is the country of Pashtuns which was created by a Pashtun.

I never called Massoud more Pashtun then Pakis, I said he was more Afghan. No reason to call me delusional or say I dont know what im talking about, im sure you are older than me act more mature.

I do not disagree on the last paragraph. Refer to my last paragraph where I state that it is Peshawaris that im talking about. But dont start claiming a Kunari is more similar to a Peshawari now. Maybe they both have the KH dialect however in terms of mannerisms and looks Peshawaris are more similar to Punjabis.

I honestly dont care where you are from, it obvious that you have a bias for Paki Pashtuns.

Peshawaris are just a small portion of Pashtuns in Pakistan. Peshawar is a multi ethnic city. It was not a Pashto speaking majority city until recently. Not everyone in Peshawar is Pashtun because there are still a large number of Hindkowans also known as Kharian (city dwellers) in Peshawar. Probably 30% or more Peshawaris are pashtunised Hindkowans. You are mistaking these people for Pashtuns. There are also other indic people such as gujjars etc all over Pakhtunkhwa just like there are farsiwans in Pashtun areas of AFghanistan especially cities.

Whether we like it or not, a large number of Pashtuns in Pakistan are proud Pakistanis and proud Pashtuns. They have a soft spot for Afghanistan and do not deny they are Afghan by ethnicity but to them the meaning of Afghan is now anyone who is the citizen of Afghanistan including Hazaras, Tajiks, uzbeks etc so most prefer Pashtuns to the term Afghan although both are one and the same thing historically and factually. It is not their fault they ended up on the other side of Durand Line. We have to accept the reality and move on.

[Forreigner]

But the problem is, your are ****t_ing from your mouth, if you even bring me some kind of evidence, like an article, I will believe you. But you can't produce an article out of your ass, can you?

he is trolling you dude. I mean look at his avatar...

[Forreigner]

give me actual proof, your words mean nothing, as you are a known liar, also most afghan refugees would probably go to bigger cities, rather hellhole punjabi villages. There are intermarriages around the border area of KP and Punjab, but I doubt Afghan refeguess would marry somebody way deep in to Punjab, their culture is so freakin different, Poor Afghan women would have no chance surviving in hellhole places like that

afghans consider iranians different from themselves even though they are far closer to each other than they are to anyone else...punjabis are as alien to Afghans as Arabs, Chinese or Germans would be in every level:

I mean just take a look at Goldens avatar and this pic. says it all:



nothing wrong of course, just that afghans and pakistanis are way too different from one another in every level for inter-marriage to even become a thought. not to mention most afghani refugees are on the eastern half of pakistan where the biggest concentration of afghanis are found lol

I think Golden is playing out his fantasies here. We know he has fantasies of White girls where ever in the West he lives, but they don't find his Indic face attractive, so the closest to Whites from his view are Afghanis. thus he plays out this fantasy of his. lool

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I think Golden is playing out his fantasies here. We know he has fantasies of White girls where ever in the West he lives, but they don't find his Indic face attractive, so the closest to Whites from his view are Afghanis. thus he plays out this fantasy of his. lool

Don't be so sure, if Aziz Ansari can pull in that, Golden has hope. LOL



Look what you have to look forward to Golden

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Golden with his future white bride



Golden thinking to himself: "No more pilfering the donkeys in Bahawalapur for me, I've pulled in this gori larki"

[Forreigner]

Golden with his future white bride



Golden thinking to himself: "No more pilfering the donkeys in Bahawalapur for me, I've pulled in this gori larki"

I like some of his comedy. funny guy.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I like some of his comedy. funny guy.

yeah but, his white girlfriend is like a 5/10, it's actually not a challenge to impress white girls is what my point was.

[Golden]

There are some Afghans who'll marry their daughters to Punjabis, I mean it does happen. But the level or frequency is very low. Golden just makes up a narrative to help him sleep better at night
he also copies my "sleep better at night" remark because he's been lying awake thinking about stuff I wrote on the forum. LOL

Nope mixing don't happen between punjabis and pathans, I already explained why. Majority of them live in rural areas far away from each other. But Afghan refugees have brought another dynamic, because of their culture they don't have problem marrying their daughters for money to anyone. But not otherwise, if punjabi went asking for their daughter hand they will not give it but if money was involved then many will do not "all". Its just common enough to the point that in every village of north central punjab one is likely to find someone married with afghan. Technically its no big deal since they marry them off and its with in islamic laws. But such people who buy off brides never do with good intentions. Afghans are literary throwing them to hell by marrying their daughters to tharki old men of punjab.

One can read experiences of pissed of afghan refugee madrasa student in punjab on internet. From horse mouth.

"There are some bad traditions in Pakhtoon society. But the main problem that I think is that thay sell their daughters in the hands of Punjabis. Some times I think "Pakhtoon are the animals of mountains".
Sabira is an old, beautiful and energetic pakhtoon woman. I tried to meet her and ask " why is she married a Punjabi?" She replied "My father sold me to a Punjabi". I asked about her father. She said, “I will never forgive him on the Day of Judgement". One of my friend (and he is from ghaznee) told me that one little girl is living in my neighborhoods. My wife went to visit her home. This girl is Pakhtoon. She told my wife, " za khpalay tror pa budaa/old punjabi kharsa karhay yam. che kala hagha buda/old kor na bahar zee no maa pasay taalaa/kunjee olagawee. zamaa parents nashta. Aw tror may zaalima khaza wa". And my this friend also told me that there was a pakhtoon woman living in the home of punjabi. She was devorced by his previous pakhtoon husband and was sold to a Punjabi. She was not agreeing to live with Punjabi. She told my friend that she wants to go with him to his country/Afghanistan if he is ready. My friend replied with 'yes' but initially, my friend went to Peshawar. And when he returned, this woman was died with suicide.
One of my punjabi friend told me that there is a pakhtoon woman living in his street. And she is chaklaa-baaz (in Punjabi language gashtee). I request my friend to make me meet with this Pakhtoon woman. (Although I h never gone to cinema till now). She expressed her biography with these words; " zamaa relation la Mardan an day. Mor aw plaar za pa yew buda/old man banday kharsa karhay wam. hahga ba rasara dair bad kawal. his ba yay na raakawal. aakhir majboora shwam. Aw Punjab ta raa wo takhtidam. Dalta may yaw punjabi sara nikaah wo shwa. os hagha punjabiay pa Islamabad ki da cricket pa stadium ki kaar kawee. Aw maa banday daa ghalat kaar kawee". Once my computer female teacher said me that her sister-in-law is pathani and they have bought her from swat because her/teacher’s brother was one-handed.
Once I met a Punjabi of black colour. He could not speak in normal way because he has defect in speaking. One other person said to him, “Speak Pashto with this Pathan”. “How can he speak Pashto although he is not Pakhtoon?” I asked. “Because his wufe is pakhtoon”, replied by other person.
Irfanullah was my friend. We were studying in Islamic school/madrassa. He was very interesting, humorous, intelligent and loving boy. Before the completion of his study, he went to Afghanistan to fight against American. And then he injured in a fight. After some years, he came to meet me in Punjab. But one thing I noticed that his personality was changed in many angles. He was now sentimental and deepened in his thoughts. He was insisting on Jihad of Afghanistan. One evening, we went to visit a park for refreshment/entertainment. He was talking about Jihad and inviting me to go with him. But I told him that I suppose I am also a mujaahid. And I struggle to achieve the rights for Pakhtoon. And our Prophet (PBUH) have said, “Hubu-l watani minal eemaan” (The love with motherland is a part of eemaan). At the mean while, I saw an old choudry with a little beautiful Pakhtoon girl. They were walking on the evening. I pointed them and said, “He has bought her. See the difference of their ages”. Irfanullah became angry against this Punjabi. He wept and said, “We (taalibaan) are fighting against USA, UK, French, Germany, Japan and others country. And our 2nd war will be against Punjabis”.
When I was studying in Islamic madrassa, I was going to teach tuition in a home of Punjabis. Once they request me to carry some other Islamic students/taalib with me to recite the Holy Quran for khatam shareef. We about 8 boys went to their home. We recited some parts of The Holy Quran and then became to chat and talk with each other in Pashto. We thought they that all of them are Punjabis and they cannot understand our language. Suddenly, a girl in burqa/hijaab appeared in front of us and told us in Pashto, “Khudai mo pa sharmoono wo sharmawa. dwa taki (two words) tilaawat mo okrho aw nor gap lagawai? Aw yew bal sara ghul khorai?” The next day I asked about this girl. They told me that the previous wife of our son died and we searched for another bridal in Punjab but in vain. So we brought/bought a pathani from Peshawar.
Abas Khan was a simple, gentle and red colored boy from Lakki marwat. His teacher told him about a girl of yousafzai wants to marry a kind person. He provoked me to research about this girl. I supposed at that time that she will be Yousafzai of India because many yousafzai pathan belong to India. But I found that she was married by a Punjabi and he divorced her. She had 3 children too. She was helpless at that time.
One day I went to an Islamic madrassa because my Saraiki friend was teaching there. He was the teacher of Hifz. He introduced me a little student belonging to Chatral. His sister was sold to a Punjabi in a village.
After my study in college, afternoon, I was going for tuition to a pakhtoon family. They are belonging to Muhmand agency. Once the mother of my students told me that she was met a young pakhtoon girl. She was sold to an aged Punjabi.
Baha-udeen was working in a china company. He expressed me his past. One Chinese person bought a pakhtoon girl from his father. The girl was crying and saying,“daryaab ta me waa chawa kho pa sra/red kaafir mi ma kharsawa”.
One taalib of my area gave his sister to Arabic person of alqaida in marriage. Both, Arabic and pakhtoon girl was going to Arabistaan. But it is called that they were caught by Iranian forces and now both are in a jail of Iran.
So my dear brothers! What do you say about this shameful tradition of Pakhtoon society? Why are we selling our sisters in the markets of our enemies? Da yew hadees mafhoom dasay day “ yew sahaabi khob olido. (khob ogd day). Pa yew zaaiy ki yew kaargha/big black cow naast wo. Aw khpalay kulmay(intestines) ye khorhalay. Prophet (PBUH) warta da tabeer/interpretation pa haqla wofarmaayal che daasay khalq ba raashee che khpal awlaad/siblings ba kharsawee aw paisay ba ye khoree.
Pa fiqa hanafee kid da wada /wedding pa wakht ki girl na permission akhistal laazmee dee. Ka girl ijaazat na kawee , no da wada/wedding jawaaz nashta. Aw pa jinai /girl paisay akhistal haraam dee.
There are many NGOs and so-called human right watches but they don’t take action against this tradition.
I have used some illegal and unethical words in my this writing but I know that you feel it the voice of my heart. Whenever I hear about my Pakhtoon sisters sold in Punjab, my eyes flow my tears and I invoke my creator to bring a Pakhtoon nationalist general of army staff to cut all these persons into pieces. And I stop my fingers with my these verses;

Sa okrham watana! Dukhmanaano lutay lutay krhay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paatay khwaar yateem shway zaalimaano lutay lutay krhay!!!!!!!!!!
Lunrha(daughters) day kharsaygee da aghyaar pa baazaaroono ki!
Khpalo pukhtano pa Punjabiyaano lutay lutay krhay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sakraan
student of psychology"

Da pakhtano bad rawajona !!

[Golden]

afghans consider iranians different from themselves even though they are far closer to each other than they are to anyone else...punjabis are as alien to Afghans as Arabs, Chinese or Germans would be in every level:

I mean just take a look at Goldens avatar and this pic. says it all:

nothing wrong of course, just that afghans and pakistanis are way too different from one another in every level for inter-marriage to even become a thought. not to mention most afghani refugees are on the eastern half of pakistan where the biggest concentration of afghanis are found lol

I think Golden is playing out his fantasies here. We know he has fantasies of White girls where ever in the West he lives, but they don't find his Indic face attractive, so the closest to Whites from his view are Afghanis. thus he plays out this fantasy of his. lool

Brother I can get you afghan girl if that's what you're interested in but only if you convert from hinduism to sunni Islam and some money (not much). Now don't say you have different culture bla bla, these things never mattered to begin with. If you have too much money then even converting may not be necessary. Afghans rise their daughters like commodity, they can't count but at the same time are very good at business like baniyas. Talking from personal experience with them in panjab.

[Golden]

Don't be so sure, if Aziz Ansari can pull in that, Golden has hope. LOL

Look what you have to look forward to Golden

Why when we have white afghans in Pakistan? Just waiting for right offer, some discount like buy 1 and get 1 free. One will not find better seller then afghans in Pakistan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Brother I can get you afghan girl if that's what you're interested in but only if you convert from hinduism to sunni Islam and some money (not much). Now don't say you have different culture bla bla, these things never mattered to begin with. If you have too much money then even converting may not be necessary. Afghans rise their daughters like commodity, they can't count but at the same time are very good at business like baniyas. Talking from personal experience with them in panjab.

If your own Punjabi women are going to America to do indecent movies with blacks and whites, how can you get an Afghan girl, it's like saying you have power over others when your own house is in disorder. Shapur censored my links to news articles and and videos because he know a how psychologically damaging reality would be for You.

All you have are stories, and no one can verify their authenticity, plus no data or statistics. Even the story you posted is a case scenario. It says she was divorced, which means she could have been an ugly girl. Anytime a Pashtun lady is married to a Punjabi it's because she's really obese and unattractive and no Pashtun man wants her. I've never seen a good looking Afghan with a Punjabi man. The Punjabi guy is usually desperate and will jump at anything with light skin. However it's more common for the prettiest Punjabi women to get married to Pashtun men both Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns. I can show a few verified examples if you'd like.

[Golden]

If your own Punjabi women are going to America to do indecent movies with blacks and whites, how can you get an Afghan girl, it's like saying you have power over others when your own house is in disorder. Shapur censored my links to news articles and and videos because he know a how psychologically damaging reality would be for You.

All you have are stories, and no one can verify their authenticity, plus no data or statistics. Even the story you posted is a case scenario. It says she was divorced, which means she could have been an ugly girl. Anytime a Pashtun lady is married to a Punjabi it's because she's really obese and unattractive and no Pashtun man wants her. I've never seen a good looking Afghan with a Punjabi man. The Punjabi guy is usually desperate and will jump at anything with light skin. However it's more common for the prettiest Punjabi women to get married to Pashtun men both Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns. I can show a few verified examples if you'd like.

Read it from start to finish from horse mouth, most of them are young. But forget about statistics, no one keep statistics for such things, get real lol Punjabi don't give their daughter hand to afghans. Marriage happen between equals and selling them off is not an option. So marrying them with afghan refugee with no future is not good for girl future either.

Have you ever been to Pakistan once from Yemen? I told you marriages are non existent between pathans and punjabis but you're not listening (elite educated takba in cities doesn't count IMO). Only reason it happen between afghan girls and punjabi bhudas is because they sell them. They sell them young and healthy, obviously after some years they all become obese and start to look like a men like any other afghan girl.

And about some punjabi model in USA, who cares men. That shows they are integrating quite well, good for them. If you are referring to Nadia then she's from from muhajir community of Karachi, not punjabi but Pakistani. Go ahead post some x video links if these are allowed here.